Destroyed my legs hiking.

[jason370]

I hiked up and down Killington Mountain two days ago and my legs just took a total pounding on the downhill side of things. Didn't help that I was carrying a 50 lb pack. After six hours of that brutal punishment my legs were buckling. I barely could get out on my own power but now my thighs are in such exquisite soreness pain. I can barely walk a step. I definitely can't walk a step downhill or down a stair. I know I got a couple more days before it starts to truly improve.

What peptides might you recommend that I take to aid me with this problem? Is it just Wolverine, BPC, or might there be other things that can help me here? FYI I have NAND, DECA, TREN but I've never actually taken them. I just have them. I don't even know how to take them yet or if I will.

 

[Rezwalker]

I hiked up and down Killington Mountain two days ago and my legs just took a total pounding on the downhill side of things. Didn't help that I was carrying a 50 lb pack. After six hours of that brutal punishment my legs were buckling. I barely could get out on my own power but now my thighs are in such exquisite soreness pain. I can barely walk a step. I definitely can't walk a step downhill or down a stair. I know I got a couple more days before it starts to truly improve.

What peptides might you recommend that I take to aid me with this problem? Is it just Wolverine, BPC, or might there be other things that can help me here? FYI I have NAND, DECA, TREN but I've never actually taken them. I just have them. I don't even know how to take them yet or if I will.

Bpc + Tb will help you a lot
way more than TREN ...
but there is no magic solution here for ultimate hiking with 50lb pack brutal soreness 😉

 

[Flash-BCR]

I hiked up and down Killington Mountain two days ago and my legs just took a total pounding on the downhill side of things. Didn't help that I was carrying a 50 lb pack. After six hours of that brutal punishment my legs were buckling. I barely could get out on my own power but now my thighs are in such exquisite soreness pain. I can barely walk a step. I definitely can't walk a step downhill or down a stair. I know I got a couple more days before it starts to truly improve.

What peptides might you recommend that I take to aid me with this problem? Is it just Wolverine, BPC, or might there be other things that can help me here? FYI I have NAND, DECA, TREN but I've never actually taken them. I just have them. I don't even know how to take them yet or if I will.

A 50lb pack?? My curiosity is piqued 😎

 

[Sid the SeaGull]

I find staying as hydrated as possible during hiking to be helpful, i usually budget between 3-4 litres per day to carry and drink . Possibly not as exotic as your thinking, however Protein water and bovine peptides help me when hiking and also recovery over night. Whist hiking I keep the protein levels really high, water high and also a good hit of psyllium husk three times a day . I guess the 6mg of reta helps to keep keep the protein focused diet whist hard hiking .

 

[Sid the SeaGull]

50lb pack is somewhat heavy, however if it's cold and your carrying a few days supply of water it adds up. Even with an ultra lite setup .

 

[Justatechdude]

lol, casually own Deca and Tren? Thats pretty curious. Those aren’t typically thing lying around in a medicine closet.

I’d assume if you bought those you already know the basic requirements. You “over-trained”

1. Protein till you puke. 1g per 1lb weight.
2. Testosterone & PEDS.
3. Light active recovery walking.
4. Rest & sleep. And more sleep.

I’ve heard peptides are as effective as creatine on the level of effect. So if you don’t have food, exercise, rest, and healthy T levels on point then you are missing the biggest drivers of change and muscle building.

 

[wildweasel]

What peptides might you recommend that I take to aid me with this problem? Is it just Wolverine, BPC, or might there be other things that can help me here? FYI I have NAND, DECA, TREN but I've never actually taken them.

Something tells me starting cycle of deca durabolin and trenbolone because your legs got sore hiking may be a tad bit overkill 😀

Here’s some real advice, up your carbohydrates a for a day or two post hiking, maybe 15%. You’re going to recover a lot quicker than using peptides by just having adequate nutrition from carbs. As long as your protein intake is adequate you don’t actually need to adjust that, your carb intake is the big player here and will make 100x more difference than adding a peptide to your stack

This is experienced advice from an athlete.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

, casually own Deca and Tren? Thats pretty curious. Those aren’t typically thing lying around in a medicine closet.

Its not unusual for members of this forum 😅🤣😂

 

[MTSpace]

I hiked up and down Killington Mountain two days ago and my legs just took a total pounding on the downhill side of things. Didn't help that I was carrying a 50 lb pack. After six hours of that brutal punishment my legs were buckling. I barely could get out on my own power but now my thighs are in such exquisite soreness pain. I can barely walk a step. I definitely can't walk a step downhill or down a stair. I know I got a couple more days before it starts to truly improve.

What peptides might you recommend that I take to aid me with this problem? Is it just Wolverine, BPC, or might there be other things that can help me here? FYI I have NAND, DECA, TREN but I've never actually taken them. I just have them. I don't even know how to take them yet or if I will.

I have done several 50lbs+ pack for weeks on mountain trails. For recovery end of day on the trail I find best recovery is setting up camp, hydrate, hitting cold stream/lake for a dip and a light 1-2 mile walk without a pack helps me recover while on trail. Not always easy based on trail and where water is available plus if you can mentally and physically do the extra hike. But at end of each trip, the last day, whether it is a 2 day hike or a 15 day hike, seems it’s the hardest to recover from for me. I found that rehydrating, good hot/cold/hot shower, then I sit on a stationary bicycle where I can let my mind go (not worried about traffic or elements) and just gently peddle at 30-50% of my normal speed for an hour helps my recovery immensely. Stay hydrated before, during, and after your cycle. Then a nice cool (tolerable) shower sets me up for a nice dinner or late night feast. Hot shower before bed.

I am tall so down hill is always tougher on my body than up hill. That’s also why last day may always seem tougher to me as I am usually descending. Done this enough to know this is my recovery protocol. I usually start BPC/TB that night for a 6-8 week cycle but it’s not a quick fix. Along with acetaminophen for two days to aid with soreness while resting and tending to any potential injuries.

See you in the trails! Happy hiking.

 

[Justatechdude]

, casually own Deca and Tren? Thats pretty curious. Those aren’t typically thing lying around in a medicine closet.

Its not unusual for members of this forum 😅🤣😂

I like this place

 

[Flash-BCR]

I have done several 50lbs+ pack for weeks on mountain trails. For recovery end of day on the trail I find best recovery is setting up camp, hydrate, hitting cold stream/lake for a dip and a light 1-2 mile walk without a pack helps me recover while on trail. Not always easy based on trail and where water is available plus if you can mentally and physically do the extra hike. But at end of each trip, the last day, whether it is a 2 day hike or a 15 day hike, seems it’s the hardest to recover from for me. I found that rehydrating, good hot/cold/hot shower, then I sit on a stationary bicycle where I can let my mind go (not worried about traffic or elements) and just gently peddle at 30-50% of my normal speed for an hour helps my recovery immensely. Stay hydrated before, during, and after your cycle. Then a nice cool (tolerable) shower sets me up for a nice dinner or late night feast. Hot shower before bed.

I am tall so down hill is always tougher on my body than up hill. That’s also why last day may always seem tougher to me as I am usually descending. Done this enough to know this is my recovery protocol. I usually start BPC/TB that night for a 6-8 week cycle but it’s not a quick fix. Along with acetaminophen for two days to aid with soreness while resting and tending to any potential injuries.

See you in the trails! Happy hiking.

Early on in my life, I was mainly a day hiker. I'd train locally for big hikes; several Grand Canyon R2R2R's, high country marathons, and 1 50k with 6,000ft of gain...8-9 years ago, I decided to backpack since I had never done that before and did 1,000 miles on the Appalachian Trail....Everything you posted sounds right. Hydration, electrolytes, carbs (before, during and after). I never really had sore leg problems with that regime...

The 50lb+ pack deal in the OP kinda caught my eye. I am pack weight adverse.Pack weight grinds on me.. My AT pack base weight (pack, tent, sleeping bag, pad, cooking kit with butane, 'town clothes', sleeping clothes, Leukotape, personal items) was 12lbs...add 2liters of water, 5-6 days of food and it was maybe 20lbs...

Part of a weight loss program for me is to get back in shape so I can at least get back into short day hikes... 👍 😎

 

[wildweasel]

I have NAND, DECA, TREN but I've never actually taken them.

Time to start, buddy. Blast some tren straight into those quads, you'll recover in no time. Surely this is the best choice in your scenario.

 

[jason370]

, casually own Deca and Tren? Thats pretty curious. Those aren’t typically thing lying around in a medicine closet.

Its not unusual for members of this forum 😅🤣😂

A 50lb pack?? My curiosity is piqued 😎

Went with my daughter for TAC (Total Archery Challenge); they set up 3-D (cool animal targets) all over the mountain, and have a few different courses, where you hike and shoot. It's a total bowhunting nerd fest, because bow hunting nerds have nothing to do with their bows once hunting season is over but they still want something to shoot at - this is a total homerun in this subculture. Anyway...my daughter is ten and the weather in VT in may (on a mountain) can range from 75 and sunny to 30 and freezing rain or snow, all day, part of the day, etc. I packed for her and me, and carrying our bows, large water bladder as well, food, emergency gear, a gun, binos, range finders, arrows and more. Maybe it was 40 lbs, maybe 50, either way it was heavy, which i didn't really notice in the first few hours. Also, the course was way bigger and longer than I had expected. I thought 2-3 hours, starting from the base, halfway up, halfway down.

No no, we took a lift up half way, then hand do hike down to the bottom to pick up another lift whitoo took us 3/4 the way up, to then hike down to the next lift that took us to the top. so i did quite a bit of decent right up front (which i didn't think anything of because i was fresh and good to go). Then I had to descend the entire mountain from the top, carrying all the eight. If i didn't have the pack, I would have been completely fine. Next time my daughter carries 15 lbs. She was perfectly fine, like a little mountain goat. We both loved it, i just have this little leg issue for a few days.

 

[jason370]

lol, casually own Deca and Tren? Thats pretty curious. Those aren’t typically thing lying around in a medicine closet.

I’d assume if you bought those you already know the basic requirements. You “over-trained”

1. Protein till you puke. 1g per 1lb weight.
2. Testosterone & PEDS.
3. Light active recovery walking.
4. Rest & sleep. And more sleep.

I’ve heard peptides are as effective as creatine on the level of effect. So if you don’t have food, exercise, rest, and healthy T levels on point then you are missing the biggest drivers of change and muscle building.

I bought the oils on a whim. I found a supplier and figured why not, it's cheap. I've never used them and quite possibly never will. I actually do not know enough about them and how to take them yet , to do so. I would first need to educate myself, and you can see how interested in the I am, as i haven't even bothered to do the bare minimum yet.

 

[Justatechdude]

I bought the oils on a whim. I found a supplier and figured why not, it's cheap. I've never used them and quite possibly never will. I actually do not know enough about them and how to take them yet , to do so. I would first need to educate myself, and you can see how interested in the I am, as i haven't even bothered to do the bare minimum yet.

I’m probably in a similar place. Might buy them if they were tight in front of me. But yeah I have yeah to research them diligently. Ecspecially compared to the amount of time I spent researching peptides. And I have yet to buy anything besides GLP1s so far. But it’s just a matter of time, with those. Probably get BPC and then either Tesa or CJc/Ipa blend.

 

[Flash-BCR]

Went with my daughter for TAC (Total Archery Challenge); they set up 3-D (cool animal targets) all over the mountain, and have a few different courses, where you hike and shoot. It's a total bowhunting nerd fest, because bow hunting nerds have nothing to do with their bows once hunting season is over but they still want something to shoot at - this is a total homerun in this subculture. Anyway...my daughter is ten and the weather in VT in may (on a mountain) can range from 75 and sunny to 30 and freezing rain or snow, all day, part of the day, etc. I packed for her and me, and carrying our bows, large water bladder as well, food, emergency gear, a gun, binos, range finders, arrows and more. Maybe it was 40 lbs, maybe 50, either way it was heavy, which i didn't really notice in the first few hours. Also, the course was way bigger and longer than I had expected. I thought 2-3 hours, starting from the base, halfway up, halfway down.

No no, we took a lift up half way, then hand do hike down to the bottom to pick up another lift whitoo took us 3/4 the way up, to then hike down to the next lift that took us to the top. so i did quite a bit of decent right up front (which i didn't think anything of because i was fresh and good to go). Then I had to descend the entire mountain from the top, carrying all the eight. If i didn't have the pack, I would have been completely fine. Next time my daughter carries 15 lbs. She was perfectly fine, like a little mountain goat. We both loved it, i just have this little leg issue for a few days. View attachment 24493

Makes more sense to me now...Yeah, if I was doing a big hike with one of my kids, I'd be packing a big load out to make sure that we/she have what we need...The shooting course sounds like a whole lot of fun! I'm glad you had a great outing with the daughter!... 👍 🙂

 

[jason370]

Makes more sense to me now...Yeah, if I was doing a big hike with one of my kids, I'd be packing a big load out to make sure that we/she have what we need...The shooting course sounds like a whole lot of fun! I'm glad you had a great outing with the daughter!... 👍 🙂

on the drive home today she said that was the most fun she ever had, and she couldn't say if she'd rather do that or go to disney. it was easily the best dad-kid thing we've ever done.

 

[MTSpace]

Early on in my life, I was mainly a day hiker. I'd train locally for big hikes; several Grand Canyon R2R2R's, high country marathons, and 1 50k with 6,000ft of gain...8-9 years ago, I decided to backpack since I had never done that before and did 1,000 miles on the Appalachian Trail....Everything you posted sounds right. Hydration, electrolytes, carbs (before, during and after). I never really had sore leg problems with that regime...

The 50lb+ pack deal in the OP kinda caught my eye. I am pack weight adverse.Pack weight grinds on me.. My AT pack base weight (pack, tent, sleeping bag, pad, cooking kit with butane, 'town clothes', sleeping clothes, Leukotape, personal items) was 12lbs...add 2liters of water, 5-6 days of food and it was maybe 20lbs...

Part of a weight loss program for me is to get back in shape so I can at least get back into short day hikes... 👍 😎

I am doing more day hikes as I age. And actually enjoying as I did rim2rim last year. The backpacking issue is I like my luxuries with oversized tents, sleeping pads, sleeping airbags (yes I like using both at same time), sleeping bags, chair, stove, bear canisters (when needed), @ all my amenities. Have done some 20 plus mile days in Teton, Rockies, glacier, Yellowstone, and more, but sure I could have had less leg issues on descents without all the weight.

Keep up the good work. Am sure you have some great stories and memories to reflect on.

 

[jason370]

I am doing more day hikes as I age. And actually enjoying as I did rim2rim last year. The backpacking issue is I like my luxuries with oversized tents, sleeping pads, sleeping airbags (yes I like using both at same time), sleeping bags, chair, stove, bear canisters (when needed), @ all my amenities. Have done some 20 plus mile days in Teton, Rockies, glacier, Yellowstone, and more, but sure I could have had less leg issues on descents without all the weight.

Keep up the good work. Am sure you have some great stories and memories to reflect on.

The irony, is that 25 years ago i lived in Vail for five years, barely worked and hiked miles upon miles, winter spring summer and fall. I've hiked/climbed over 30 of the 14'ers in Colorado, so I knew this would happen, and just plain forgot. I actually bought a Nordictrack with a 40% incline and trained incline hikes for two months, just to make sure I wouldn't get winded and be strong on the hike.

The best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley.

 

[MTSpace]

That is amazing to do over 30 of the 14ers! Sounds like it’s an amazing journey you have been on. Lots to be grateful for as you have done more than 99.9% of us humans would even dream of doing.

I have some miles on these old bones but not near the level you have. But am grateful as I have hiked in South American, Alps in 3 different countries, over 20 US National Parks, Canada and Alaska in 2027.

Unfortunately the older I get the more I have to scale down but at 58 I still do more than most will ever dream of. Lots of great memories.

When people ask me what my favorite hike has been, I am blessed to respond that I have had so many exceptional hikes that I cannot even narrow it down to top 25. Sometimes it’s the weather, the trail companions (my father, oldest son, new friend from trail), the environment, the mind set and expectation of what the trail was going to be, the wild life interaction, the memory of over coming adversity, and on and on. Am sure you get it. I cannot pick just one trail, one hike, one memory.

 

[jason370]

That is amazing to do over 30 of the 14ers! Sounds like it’s an amazing journey you have been on. Lots to be grateful for as you have done more than 99.9% of us humans would even dream of doing.

I have some miles on these old bones but not near the level you have. But am grateful as I have hiked in South American, Alps in 3 different countries, over 20 US National Parks, Canada and Alaska in 2027.

Unfortunately the older I get the more I have to scale down but at 58 I still do more than most will ever dream of. Lots of great memories.

When people ask me what my favorite hike has been, I am blessed to respond that I have had so many exceptional hikes that I cannot even narrow it down to top 25. Sometimes it’s the weather, the trail companions (my father, oldest son, new friend from trail), the environment, the mind set and expectation of what the trail was going to be, the wild life interaction, the memory of over coming adversity, and on and on. Am sure you get it. I cannot pick just one trail, one hike, one memory.

I'm 56, training to get in shape to start jiu-jitsu. My daughter trains six days a week, competes regularly, and I promised her i'd do it too; Im, on track for end of summer, barring any more setbacks. You've mentioned a couple things worth repeating:

1. Gratitude: I'm not one for religion, but I wake up every morning happy and grateful for what I have and who I am, truly. True or otherwise, I feel quite fortunate; in particular for having the greatest kid in the world, but also (ironically) my health. Even my current leg pain reminds me of how lucky I am to have it. It's memorial day and there have been endless soldiers who wish they could experience mere leg soreness in lieu of the incredibly selfless sacrifices they made. I'm grateful to live in an imperfect, yet best there's ever been country that has brave soldiers who protect our freedoms, so my family can sleep soundly at night, not even having to consider that there are men who will do violence against our enemies on our behalf in the dark of night while we rest.

2. Enjoying where you are, and who you are with: On the four hour drive home today from VT, my daughter told be she had so much fun hiking, shooting, and randomly meeting people/making friends while doing so that she's unsure if she'd prefer to do this again first, or go to disney world. I asked her why, since a six hour hike is not what most kids are interested in doig, and she said it was just so much fun that she didn't care about how hard it was (see #1 for why I'm so filled with gratitude). I explained to her that when you do things with people you like and enjoy being with, you could do almost nothing at all, or even difficult things and have the best time, but in the wrong company even the most fun thing becomes miserable. choose your friends carefully ad spend lots of time with them.

P.s. The first time i laid eyes on the Alps (Matterhorn) , I was filled with regret that I didn't choose to live in Switzerland, rather than Colorado.. I simply had no idea of the grandness and beauty of them,

 

[MTSpace]

Sounds like a great experience with your daughter. Maybe she will blaze her own trails because of the experiences you share with her.

First time I went to Alps, it felt surreal. I have read several books & articles on hiking and climbing Eiger, Matterhorn, and Mount Blanc before my first visit. My favorite author is Jon Krakauer and as expressive and creative of a writer he is, no pictures or words can encompass the beauty of the Alps.

My grandfather, who served in WWII and was at the Crows Nest the day after the allies took it over, told me I had to put 5 places on my “must travel to” list. Alps #1. The others Yosemite, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, & Singapore. I haven’t been to Singapore but been to many other places because he inspired me to make my own history.

 

[jason370]

Sounds like a great experience with your daughter. Maybe she will blaze her own trails because of the experiences you share with her.

First time I went to Alps, it felt surreal. I have read several books & articles on hiking and climbing Eiger, Matterhorn, and Mount Blanc before my first visit. My favorite author is Jon Krakauer and as expressive and creative of a writer he is, no pictures or words can encompass the beauty of the Alps.

My grandfather, who served in WWII and was at the Crows Nest the day after the allies took it over, told me I had to put 5 places on my “must travel to” list. Alps #1. The others Yosemite, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, & Singapore. I haven’t been to Singapore but been to many other places because he inspired me to make my own history.

Indeed, she's in "blaze your own trails" training daily, which is pretty much the only thing I really care about. I've never been more impressed than by the Alps. I had this idea that they were on par with the Rockies - boy was I wrong about that. I spent time in Yosemite after living in Colorado and that place is simply amazing. I have read and love everything krakauer has written, but after some diligent investigation, i came to learn that he colors in the facts a little to make for a better story. that's ok with me, i still love his writing but, there's some fiction weaved in.

One very compelling book in particular, was :

The Climb: Tragic Ambitions on Everest: Written by guide Anatoli Boukreev, this is the definitive counter-narrative to Krakauer's book. It provides the same timeline of the 1996 disaster from the perspective of a lead guide who went on to heroically rescue several clients.

It's not as fun or polished of a read as Into Thin Air, but the counter narrative by Boukreev is fascinating, and I would say more credible and believable than Krakauer's account. Suddenly the Russian villain is the Russian hero, which in the 90's was counter intuitive.