Neptide
GLP-1 Apprentice
I would get to a doctor. Don’t dismiss gall stones and pain. It can be deadly. Don’t mean to sound morbid. I had a gall stone go down bile duct and almost died. Get that checked. 👍🙏🏻
Did you guys all get your gallbladder removed and not tell me?
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birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Incorrect. Omega 3's are indicated in the treatment of gallbladder issues. Some amount of fat is neccessary for gallbladder function, and pork fat is probably worse than salmon huh?
Funnily enough, the opposite seems to be working. Yet again, after an attack I came home and ate a fatty meal, took vitamin D, waited a bit, and then had no issues exercising intensely afterwards.
Today, I had a reasonable yet fatty meal before I ever went out, and I didn't have an attack while exercising.
I believe that whey shakes are the problem. Going to try to confirm it tomorrow.
It seems like the only time I have these attacks is when I start my day with a whey protein shake, or whey shake and brownies made with browned butter – which I don't think is a healthy fat.
Could be wrong, but that's what my gut's telling me. Should have it figured out this week.
domin8brix
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Mine was taken out about 5 years ago with my sleeve. Rapid weight loss can definitely bring on issues, though there's also other factors, esp for women. The whole "4 F's" thing: Female, Fat (obese), Forty (or older), and Fertile (having children/childbearing age)
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Solved the problem! Or at least reduced symptoms and kicked the rock further down the road.
Perhaps your daughter could benefit.
I did a refeed for a week and ate as much as I could, close to maintainence as I could, and avoided hard exercise.
I also cut out the calcium supplements, and I made sure to be religious with having K2 with my D3, also went to 3mg boron every morning, and upped my psilium husk dose.
But I think taurine is what did the most. I added taurine into my routine mostly for PM support, but I found that even a normal dose of it would make me start shitting my pants immediately. I'm talking five minutes after drinking taurine on a full stomach I'm rumbling, gurgling, shitting and farting all over the place for an hour until the liqufacted remains of my intestines make it to a yellow pile in the bowl.
This is not a normal effect of taurine, it's very odd for it to have such a pronounced disturbance in healthy individuals. Turns out, that's because it helps the gallbladder secrete bile acids, and people with fucked up gallbladders can have this effect.
So I stuck with it and added even more psilium husk, especially before and after the taurine, and after a few evenings on the commode, the effects started to subside and now I don't have the diarrhea.
After that, for the last 7 days, I dropped the bottom out of my calories (1500-1800 a day, tdee 2500-3100) and started exercising even harder. Since then I've had no trouble running 5 miles in the morning with barely anything in my stomach.
I had mine out in my 40's. My brother-in-law is a surgeon and he always used to tell us that gallbladder disease follows the 3 "F's". Fat, female and forty. So if you are any of those things and still have your gallbladder, consider yourself one of the lucky ones! 😉
Gr33dyOctopus
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Surprised i didnt get in on this thread earlier. My gallbladder bladder shit the bed after if lost about 40 pounds in just a few months and then took me on a dr. Visit train and to the ER. Had it pulled feb of this year and feel so much better. I still get pain feom it on occasion, the place it used to be but less and less as time goes on
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Damn man you should have got on taurine earlier!
cr@p, I am 2/3 on that... 3/3 if you include fat, forty, and foolish.
horrifying, considering the amount of times I have lost that much weight quickly.. 20-25kgs in a month or so.
I'm in the club too - this was pre-GLP-1 use, just came from rapid weight loss... I was doing a bunch of fasting etc.
I'd had a number of gallbladder / gallstone "attacks" before the final one got me - one of those was on a cruise (restrictive diet for months + a week of gluttony = not-so-surprising result).
It's funny though, the thing that finally put me in the hospital, the only thing I had really eaten were some 6-sided healthy tortilla chips and salsa. Boom. Crippling pain. Had the sweats and the whole nine yards. I tried to make it through the night, but finally had to tap out.
What an absolute relief to have that fucker yanked out. Fortunately I haven't missed it in the least. But needless to say, I definitely hit my insurance deductible that year.
I'd had a number of gallbladder / gallstone "attacks" before the final one got me - one of those was on a cruise (restrictive diet for months + a week of gluttony = not-so-surprising result).
It's funny though, the thing that finally put me in the hospital, the only thing I had really eaten were some 6-sided healthy tortilla chips and salsa. Boom. Crippling pain. Had the sweats and the whole nine yards. I tried to make it through the night, but finally had to tap out.
What an absolute relief to have that fucker yanked out. Fortunately I haven't missed it in the least. But needless to say, I definitely hit my insurance deductible that year.
Whiynot20026
GLP-1 Apprentice
Didn’t Lisa Marie Presley die from GLP gallbladder complications. It’s important to know if your gallbladder has issues before starting a GLP1 plan.
Bill
Bill
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Bowel obstruction caused by scarring from bariatric weight loss surgery.
Ozempic makes 1/1000 people blind though, which is hilarious.
woundcarping
GLP-1 Specialist
I take Taurine already, but I was curious about the gallbladder protective effects... AI mentioned ursodiol as a better option, but that Taurine was plausible. I'm glad that so far I've never had gallbladder.
Whiynot20026
GLP-1 Apprentice
Well that’s interesting. Thank you for the correction.
Bill
Damn..I guess I have to do it now.
I mean if feels like a pretty useless organ tbh. Maybe ask the surgeon if you can get a discount for taking your appendix out at the same time.Damn..I guess I have to do it now.
CNCCurrency
GLP-1 Specialist
Say what? I haven't heard this before
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Sounds like you heard it here first. You're welcome.
lessthanhalf
GLP-1 Specialist
I think it is critical to get a definitive diagnosis. As in see a doctor and get an upper abdominal ultrasound. Gallstones are not a trivial problem, they can block ducts and cause cholecystitis or even pancreatitis which are medical/surgical emergencies. Knowing for certain would save time and effort if one of those were to happen as well as the option to remove the gallbladder to prevent them.
The onset while running is unusual and makes me think of "stitches", whatever exactly they are that happen on exertion. And gallstone related pain is typically though not always severe and often comes with vomiting, around 7/10 level pain. And is most common over 40 , overweight, female, and typically triggered by high fat meals.
The chances of getting gallstones with significant weight loss are quite high , up to 10% so not at all uncommon, and definitely worth the ultrasound even if the pain is not completely typical
The onset while running is unusual and makes me think of "stitches", whatever exactly they are that happen on exertion. And gallstone related pain is typically though not always severe and often comes with vomiting, around 7/10 level pain. And is most common over 40 , overweight, female, and typically triggered by high fat meals.
The chances of getting gallstones with significant weight loss are quite high , up to 10% so not at all uncommon, and definitely worth the ultrasound even if the pain is not completely typical
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'm not that sort of boy.
I get those too. It's not that.
Could totally see that happening, the pain I'm describing could scale up easily. If I were to keep pushing during an attack I would end up incapacitated.
edit: Who knows what it is really.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/gallbladders/comments/1fba0r3/pain_caused_by_exercise/
Like I said, it's gallbladder pain, and anyone having similar pain on Very Low Calorie days can attempt to treat the issue themselves (while waiting to see a doctor) by using taurine and psilium husk and cutting supplemental calcium out.
edit: Anyways, I looked more into side stitches and the type of pain I'm describing usually results in people having their gallbladder checked. I'll get it looked at when I get some insurance. Until then, taurine.
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Fostradamus
GLP-1 Enthusiast
You started this thread at exactly the same time as my gallbladder started kicking off again.
For background, I have a gallstone which has been confirmed by ultrasound, about 3-4 years ago, long before I started using weight loss meds. I would have the occasional flare up, but could manage them by avoiding certain high fat foods. Hence not feeling the necessity to get it removed.
Since I've been on Sema, then Tirz and now Reta I've had no real issues because I haven't been eating the fatty foods that would cause a flare up.
However, I've just been on a two week holiday around Europe, and have been walking miles and miles every day. About 3-4 days in I started getting crippling pain from my gallbladder after walking for a couple of hours. This pain subsided as soon as I lay down and it didn't prevent me from sleeping, which previous flare ups from fatty foods would. Then it would return the following day after a couple of hours of walking. It was definitely the exercise that was causing it.
Having Googled it I came to the unscientific theory that gravity was moving the stone into a position where it was causing me pain, possibly blocking a bile duct or something along those lines.
Anyway, I'm home now and intend to go and see my GP to see if I can get it removed. I don't want to be dealing with that amount of pain if I want to do some exercise.
Just thought I'd share my experience.
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HereKittyKitty
GLP-1 Enthusiast
If you are having gallbladder pain, address it.
Anecdotally, my husband went to the ER with a gallbladder attack. While he was there they found something else more pressing requiring immediate surgery. He did not address the gallbladder issue for a LONG time. When he finally did, they found cancer on biopsy. Because of the location of the cancer, he had to have a second open surgery to get to clean margins. He's fine now, thanks for asking.
Gallbladder cancer has a high mortality rate.
In short: don't phuck around with gallbladder pain.
Anecdotally, my husband went to the ER with a gallbladder attack. While he was there they found something else more pressing requiring immediate surgery. He did not address the gallbladder issue for a LONG time. When he finally did, they found cancer on biopsy. Because of the location of the cancer, he had to have a second open surgery to get to clean margins. He's fine now, thanks for asking.
Gallbladder cancer has a high mortality rate.
In short: don't phuck around with gallbladder pain.
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
May I recommend some taurine in the meantime?
Fostradamus
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I read the taurine recommendation in your earlier post and looked into it. I've ordered some TUDCA off the back of it, so thanks. It's arriving today, so I'll see how I get on with it.
So i had gallbladder preserving surgery where they take the stones out and keep your gallbladder intact. On that journey i learned a million things that cause gallstones and how to avoid them. Firstly, people who think low fat diet is the solution have no idea what they're talking about. The issue is when your gallbladder doesn't fully contract the bile inside starts to crystallize and stones start to form. The doctor told me to have a fatty breakfast at least 3 times a week, since the research show to get close to 100% contraction you need approximately 25g of fat, alot of grandparents and others used to take an olive oil and lemon shot in the morning and it turns out it has many health benefits including this.... i never used to eat breakfast and that's a co-factor for gallstone risk. When losing weight i've been give ursodiol especially since glp's slow down digestion the gallbladder doesn't contract the same way or as often so the ursodiol allows your bile to remain thin and not crystallize(see research regarding bariatric patients prescribed ursoldiol and effects on gallstones) it's an amazing tool . There's other bile acids you can take like TUDCA to reduce your risk. I would advise anyone taking GLP's to take these bile acids to reduce your risk greatly of issues afterwards. If you have any other questions let me know, this happens to be my topic of expertise lol
It's a great preventative tool , TUDCA is Ursoldiol conjugated with taurine, it's more water soluble and people swear by it for gallbladder purposes. TUDCA is usually more well tolerated than Urso but i have a prescription for URSO and haven't had any negative effects so i do a maintenance dose to limit the downside effects of weight loss.
Fostradamus
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Sounds like me ordering some TUDCA was the right way to go for now. Thanks for the info. You're now my gallbladder go to guy/gal.
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Wow, this thread has been eventful. Just felt my stone shift too.
Guess I need to buy some of those bile salt meds. Fuck me. I can't afford no damn surgery.
Guess I need to buy some of those bile salt meds. Fuck me. I can't afford no damn surgery.
peppystrings80
GLP-1 Apprentice
I have gallstones, but I was told that unless there's a sign of reduced gallbladder function, I shouldn't have it removed. I knew that before starting GLPs, so I have been cautious about dose increases and keeping well hydrated. So far I haven't noticed any gallbladder pain, and I am not planning to have it removed unless it becomes a problem. Feeling gallstones shift some pretty awful though, I'm sorry.
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Nah it's fine. Doesn't hurt or anything. And the attacks are very minor compared to what most describe.
Thanks for making me feel better. I'm going to acquire some of the TUDCA/the prescription pills, gives me a chance to order from india and stock up on some stuff. Sounds like this is mild enough I can manage it with meds. I only have problems skipping breakfast on very low calorie days.
It's a fucking shame that cost factors in to your decision-making re: whether to seek surgery to address something that's causing you pain, alas that's the system we exist in.
Feel better! (but also don't fuck around if you really do need the surgery - maybe look into ways that you could make that work)
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