sfkid
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Does Huberman know something?
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Mr.Tired
GLP-1 Apprentice
He's been on a tear about the grey markets and a coming crackdown for months now. It almost seems personal for whatever reason.
Huberman seems relatively open minded about most things, so I don't get why he is so negative about this unless he has some undisclosed financial interest.
Huberman seems relatively open minded about most things, so I don't get why he is so negative about this unless he has some undisclosed financial interest.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Is it me, or it is usually men/bros with these "last month for peptides" theories?
Raptorrunner
GLP-1 Apprentice
The gray he is talking about are the US resellers/websites and hawkers on social media.
He's right. Big pharma is gonna grease whatever wheels they need to in order to clamp down on those picking their pockets. They will do it under the guise of safety, but make no mistake, it's about dollars and shareholder return.
A local crossfit gym is selling 20mg of Reta for $350. Big pharma wants that money.
He's right. Big pharma is gonna grease whatever wheels they need to in order to clamp down on those picking their pockets. They will do it under the guise of safety, but make no mistake, it's about dollars and shareholder return.
A local crossfit gym is selling 20mg of Reta for $350. Big pharma wants that money.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Right.
The only thing that has given me pause lately is Uther alleging that things are getting harder for him to source:
Supply going like hotcakes!
I'm trying to place my first order....thanks to this community! I see the vendors, price and supply. As soon as I email an order, it's "out of this, out of that" etc. Man, these supplies go fast. Do you split orders between who has what or wait until someone has fully supply? What's your technique?
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How much of that is just typical vendor drama, I have no idea.
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sfkid
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Well, I got my freezer stocked for now.Right.
The only thing that has given me pause lately is Uther alleging that things are getting harder for him to source:
Supply going like hotcakes!
I'm trying to place my first order....thanks to this community! I see the vendors, price and supply. As soon as I email an order, it's "out of this, out of that" etc. Man, these supplies go fast. Do you split orders between who has what or wait until someone has fully supply? What's your technique?
How much of that is just Uther-related, I have no idea.
If things start to get tight, I'll just buy a bigger freezer and stock up more untill this gets sorted out.
He also may be experiencing the post-CNY hangover. Mine are only now getting back to normal. He also only takes minimum $800 orders, so who knows how that has impacted his suppliers.Right.
The only thing that has given me pause lately is Uther alleging that things are getting harder for him to source:
Supply going like hotcakes!
I'm trying to place my first order....thanks to this community! I see the vendors, price and supply. As soon as I email an order, it's "out of this, out of that" etc. Man, these supplies go fast. Do you split orders between who has what or wait until someone has fully supply? What's your technique?
How much of that is just typical vendor drama, I have no idea.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
My understanding is that retail sales of peptides is already technically illegal in China. So are performance enhancing drugs like oils and BPC-157, etc. While domestic sales are restricted, Chinese peptide manufacturers produce and export products labeled RUO, for foreign markets. These exports aren't illegal under Chinese law as long as they are not marketed for human consumption domestically. GLPs are also highly regulated and will be even more regulated now that they have their own home designed GLP. Unless they make changes to the current law, which is possible, I don't see the grey market changing.
Mr. Blonde
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Fear mongering. I've said this before but they banned steroids under Reagan (1980s). They are easier to get now more than ever.
Peptides will be the same way. That's the whole point of a black market, it gives the middle finger of freedom to crack downs.
Peptides will be the same way. That's the whole point of a black market, it gives the middle finger of freedom to crack downs.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
I like the steroid metaphor but, on the other hand, GLPs are the big money right now for Big Pharma, in both China and the US. That was never the case with steroids.
On the positive side, it's easier to moonlight peptide production than steroid production:
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Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
I don't know what effect it will have, but some new Chinese drug laws (totaling 89 articles) start May 15th.
OTOH, there are disadvantages to hoarding too much if prices continue to go down (which has always been the case). If prices do ever go up, we know it's hoarding time (and the golden opportunities may be over).
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CNCCurrency
GLP-1 Specialist
lessthanhalf
GLP-1 Specialist
I know it is just a summary but it is not exactly a crystal clear description of the new laws. - from the above post. It would be interesting to see what the new laws really are, or how they might be used in practice. China is known for vague laws that require insider party approval to avoid running afoul of the law/party.
"The modified rules also tighten the management of drug manufacturing. Management requirements for the production and sale of traditional Chinese medicine decoction pieces and granules are clarified.
In the area of distribution and use, these regulations improve oversight of online drug sales and place greater responsibility on third-party e-commerce platform operators."
Although packaging peptides into vials is not hard, just requiring a few or a few tens of thousands worth of equipment, manufacturing them is hard, and rules changing how those companies can operate and how they sell or who they can sell to could destroy availability. A truly black market peptide manufacturing facility that succeeds in hiding from the government in china that requires millions in gear is a much more difficult proposition.
"The modified rules also tighten the management of drug manufacturing. Management requirements for the production and sale of traditional Chinese medicine decoction pieces and granules are clarified.
In the area of distribution and use, these regulations improve oversight of online drug sales and place greater responsibility on third-party e-commerce platform operators."
Although packaging peptides into vials is not hard, just requiring a few or a few tens of thousands worth of equipment, manufacturing them is hard, and rules changing how those companies can operate and how they sell or who they can sell to could destroy availability. A truly black market peptide manufacturing facility that succeeds in hiding from the government in china that requires millions in gear is a much more difficult proposition.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Speaking of the small players: Ever since GYC disappeared for a little while in June due to an "inspection," I've thought the China side would be the bigger factor regarding enforcement. Then SSA and SRY disappeared, and then it really seemed that the Chinese government has all the cards.
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In some ways they are more capitalist than we are. If there is a buck to be made they are going to try. I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the astonishing level of corruption involved. In many places of the world it is business as usual to pay someone to look the other way or worst case scenario cut them in.
The black/gray market has been around since the beginning of time. You may just have to go further down the rabbit hole to find it. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just stock up when you can afford it.
UpDownLeftRightAS*
GLP-1 Apprentice
Life will go on, as it always seems to. New compounds will continue to be developed sparking a market as well. Now that Sema/GLP1 is going for $10-15 in some (patent expired) markets I would expect that to reach rock bottom pricing or simply no longer be worth adding to the long lists of products the gray market/ china vendors have. The "product list" will always be there....
My favorite analogy for this is always Napster/music sharing VS the RIAA.
You can still download music for free (if you're willing to put in the legwork to figure out the "black market" analog to companies selling music). It's just a little more hidden and requires a few extra steps than downloading Napster and typing in the name of the song you want. But these day, most people just pay for their music (whether through subscriptions or itunes or whatever) because it's not that expensive and much easier to figure out the first time. Enough people are paying that the RIAA is no longer actively going after the remaining ways that people share music underground. As a reminder, there was a point where the RIAA was filing mass lawsuits against individual people nationwide and forcing them to pay settlement offers, as a means of discouraging music sharing.
Likewise, the black/gray peptide market will always exist in some form, but I suspect much more pressure will be applied to drive it deep underground. Your average person is perfectly happy to pay a buck or two for a song they like, but paying hundreds of dollars a month for a weight loss subscription is a steep enough cost that your average person is willing to put in much more legwork to find alternative sources. I'm not sure what a crackdown looks like, but I can assure you that it will be relentlessly pursued until industry believes that they've captured at least 80% of the market through whatever ethical (or perhaps unethical) means at their disposal.
You can still download music for free (if you're willing to put in the legwork to figure out the "black market" analog to companies selling music). It's just a little more hidden and requires a few extra steps than downloading Napster and typing in the name of the song you want. But these day, most people just pay for their music (whether through subscriptions or itunes or whatever) because it's not that expensive and much easier to figure out the first time. Enough people are paying that the RIAA is no longer actively going after the remaining ways that people share music underground. As a reminder, there was a point where the RIAA was filing mass lawsuits against individual people nationwide and forcing them to pay settlement offers, as a means of discouraging music sharing.
Likewise, the black/gray peptide market will always exist in some form, but I suspect much more pressure will be applied to drive it deep underground. Your average person is perfectly happy to pay a buck or two for a song they like, but paying hundreds of dollars a month for a weight loss subscription is a steep enough cost that your average person is willing to put in much more legwork to find alternative sources. I'm not sure what a crackdown looks like, but I can assure you that it will be relentlessly pursued until industry believes that they've captured at least 80% of the market through whatever ethical (or perhaps unethical) means at their disposal.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
People have been saying that since March 2024.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Ding ding ding.
But not undisclosed. You just have to connect the dots of all his sponsors. IMO, if we use peptides, we have no need for all his sponsors’ products.
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BNLFL
GLP-1 Specialist
I have 5 kits in the freezer now, and I'm still going to buy two more. Just deciding on who with, or maybe wait for a pre-buy sale.
FarmgirlRebel
GLP-1 Enthusiast
My thoughts exactly.
Mr. Blonde
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Exactly this. But also nothing wrong with buyinga few extra kits for the freezer if it gives you peace of mind.
That also applies to the US too, now more than ever. They have many legal names for it, "vertical integration" is one of them.
They also said it was expected and not to worry, if i remember well. Less than 2 weeks later they were back selling.
SRY is back now, R30 just went for sale today on the US side. QSC was taken down, QSC is back. The grey market is always changing, but one thing I'm not seeing it doing so far is shrinking.
Based on this, I expect Huberman will start sponsoring a compounding pharmacy service by the end of the year.
I'm sure he is very well connected but China will never be stopped. They banned steroids and widely available to those that want them.
foffspam111
GLP-1 Apprentice
This is a great point. Now those new laws, some of the vendors going dark last year all a bit nerve racking. But all of that is part of the gray itself. There’s always a level of risk, even with your trusted source.
The gray/black market is as old as time and like others have said and if history teaches us anything, it will survive.
Insurance is nice too, have a few extra kits on the way and plan to have a few more extra before summer.
The future is uncertain, and we have little to no control over it. Best we can do is prepare (that’s those extra kits in the freeze) and adapt when necessary.
It’s also why I am thankful for communities such as these. Sharing information, having discussions and potential helping each other adapt when/if necessary.
Keep those sweet RUO peptides flowing! They may not be for human consumption but damn it if they don’t work. 🤣
