DSIP

I'm glad to hear of your results. I'm using the same supplements that do not seem to be doing anything for me. I've got a kit of DSIP and haven't tried it yet. CJC kept me awake longer, and I woke up several times during the night. I already feel like a pin cushion, so my plan is to use DSIP nasally. How long before bedtime do you use it?
I hope it works for you. I usually pin 30 min. to 1 hour before bed. It doesn't really make you sleepy but you will sleep DEEP and uninterrupted. This will cause you to wake early naturally and slowly shift your schedule. I'm sorry to hear CJC kept you up. Epitalon did that to me. I did 1 mg nasally and I slept nothing that night. I want to give it a second shot as someone else suggested - 200 mcg 6 hours before bed. I wonder if CJC earlier in the evening will help you? Or maybe ipamorelin?
 
Pep-Pedia mentions 5-10 day cycles. Do you all keep to the recommended cycle or go longer than that?
 
I hope it works for you. I usually pin 30 min. to 1 hour before bed. It doesn't really make you sleepy but you will sleep DEEP and uninterrupted. This will cause you to wake early naturally and slowly shift your schedule. I'm sorry to hear CJC kept you up. Epitalon did that to me. I did 1 mg nasally and I slept nothing that night. I want to give it a second shot as someone else suggested - 200 mcg 6 hours before bed. I wonder if CJC earlier in the evening will help you? Or maybe ipamorelin?
I did CJC and Ipamorlin together, so I really don't know which one kept me awake, or maybe it was the effect of both together. I switched to using them in the morning before breakfast, while still fasting. I had much better results that way. I gave them up when I started Tesamorlin. I just couldn't inject twice a day. I'm seriously considering dropping the Tesa and go back to a once a week Reta injection.

This whole thing has expanded way past what my initial goal of losing weight. I started with a once a week injection of Ozempic. Today I'm injecting daily, have a whole box full of supplements that I take daily along with herbs and teas. The more that I learn, the more things that I add. It's starting to feel like an addiction. I do like the results, it just feels like it's getting out of hand.
 
I did CJC and Ipamorlin together, so I really don't know which one kept me awake, or maybe it was the effect of both together. I switched to using them in the morning before breakfast, while still fasting. I had much better results that way. I gave them up when I started Tesamorlin. I just couldn't inject twice a day. I'm seriously considering dropping the Tesa and go back to a once a week Reta injection.

This whole thing has expanded way past what my initial goal of losing weight. I started with a once a week injection of Ozempic. Today I'm injecting daily, have a whole box full of supplements that I take daily along with herbs and teas. The more that I learn, the more things that I add. It's starting to feel like an addiction. I do like the results, it just feels like it's getting out of hand.
I think that is most of us on here. We start with 1 and end up buying 3 more then end up with a freezer full. I started with CJC, DSIP, & AOD. I also got reta but might never use it at all. I just started KPV, Kisspeptin, Mots-C and have AHK-Cu waiting in line. The Epitalon experience made me take a break but plan on getting back to it soon.
This is all on top of the 10 daytime supplements and 10 night time supplements I take. Endless shenanigans for sure.
 
I did CJC and Ipamorlin together, so I really don't know which one kept me awake, or maybe it was the effect of both together. I switched to using them in the morning before breakfast, while still fasting. I had much better results that way. I gave them up when I started Tesamorlin. I just couldn't inject twice a day. I'm seriously considering dropping the Tesa and go back to a once a week Reta injection.

This whole thing has expanded way past what my initial goal of losing weight. I started with a once a week injection of Ozempic. Today I'm injecting daily, have a whole box full of supplements that I take daily along with herbs and teas. The more that I learn, the more things that I add. It's starting to feel like an addiction. I do like the results, it just feels like it's getting out of hand.

I don’t think I’m getting out of hand, but I’m much the same. My personality is to go overboard on hobbies, get an above average knowledge of it, get bored and move to something else (typically takes months-years). Sometimes those knowledge bases turn into business or other longer term less manic things. So far this interest has been fairly inexpensive with presumptively great long term benefits.

I started with Zepbound 19 weeks ago quite anxious around self administered shots to the point I didn’t make a go of TRT 4 years ago (IM) take nothing daily.

5 week later I’m down 19lb pinning Reta 2x weekly BPC 2x daily, and TRT 3x weekly with two gym memberships.

19 weeks in I’m down 50lb, have two types of fiber, 18 pills (1 Rx, the rest supplements), and two amino acids that I take daily. Blood work gets done frequently (twice this month) to quantify progress or answer new questions. I’ve had a near lifelong malady diagnosed and easily treated, substantially improving quality of life (EoE). I have decades of appetite controlling peptides on hand or on order, with 18 peptides on hand or on order. I went from wearing an Apple Watch for notifications to using it and an Oura Ring to track my baseline and deviations from it.

Realistically I’m in the realm of 5 months from being in the best shape of my adult life. I don’t think I’m “developing life altering habits” along the way, but I am picking up tools to have a radically altered trajectory with minimal amount of exertion which bodes well for long term compliance.
 
I can attest to DSIP working. I'm on week 3 and it has made a huge difference. I have horrible insomina -can't fall asleep. I was already taking ashwaghanda KSM66, L-theanine, taurine, magnesium glycinate, melatonin, phospatidylserine, and gaba. some nights were so bad I had to resort to doxylamine. I finally could fall asleep but still tossed and turned a lot of nights I gave 250mcg DSIP and 250mcg CJC a try. Now I can can fall asleep faster, sleep through the night and dream like I never have before. Waking up was also a struggle. Snoozing my alarm 3-4 times and always late for work. Now I can naturally wake up 1 hour before my alarm feeling well rested.
I then decided maybe epitalon would be a good add. Be careful, it is strong! I took 1 mg intranasally and slept ZERO! It may have been too high a dose for me and it apparently energizes some, so I guess that was me. I plan to dilute it to only 200mcg taken 6 hours before bed like someone who had the same effects suggested. Good luck.
can you let us know what the epitalon feels like (in tandem w/ dsip or on its own) once you reduced the dose?
 
i bought a test single vial to try out, it got delayed a bit and got here after my wife gave birth to our first last week now im too worried to try it. she had a rough time so i am doing everything right now and dont want to be groggy or anything since you never know if you are going to get 45 minutes of sleep or 4 hours and naturally i am such a light sleeper i am fully functioning immediately, i can even answer questions she askes me while im still "asleep" because just her asking me wakes me up. hopefully once he starts sleeping more consistently i can finally hop on it, but untill then i guess itll just sit in the cabinet
 
I started using it (0.5mg-0.9mg eyeball it before sleep), and somehow woke up much more during the nights consistently, but also somehow woke up more rested/felt better. This is actually the most common anecdotal report, that people feel better the second day, not that it fixed their schedule or that they feel better sleeping, it might just be placebo though so take my word with salt.

Here's the thing though, its INCREDIBLY inconsistent, in studies, in practice, everywhere, and for me, not only can it have different effect curves and different effects in different people but the effects can differ at the same dose, and same person, just a different night.

The only 2 consistent stuff are: the higher the dose the higher chance of side effects such as paradoxical wakefulness etc. but the side effects are rare and not many people experience them(also the effects and side effects likely only lasts for like a few hours, so it wont give you day long problems), and also the more "stressed" you are/lack sleep, the more actual chance it works for you, so that's a good thing kinda.
Most of the time its a gamble between no effect and effects, but sometimes, yes side effects can surface in my experience.

Did it help me? Somewhat, I would say its overated but also good enough to use if you have sleep quality issues. And yes I'll keep using it but I only have been on it for a week, so just one vial out of 10. I'll prolly up the dose to like 1mg-1.2mg for the next vial and see how it works.

I am now looking into epitalon, it seems much more consistent from what I can see on the surface but haven't looked deep into it.

Oh and also we don't even know how it acts in the body at all, reta has clear mechanism on 3 different hormones, this thing has like no data at all, no well-established receptor and no clean, reproducible mechanism, we can onyl speculate the area/system it might affect, such as stress axis, sleep related brain regions etc. Its a mystery drug.
 
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I'm one of the unlucky ones that sadly doesn't work for me, but I am stubborn so I still take it. I've tried from 100mcg-2mg and no difference on my deep sleep or sleep in general. Been doing for 12 weeks and no change. I think now I take 1mg/night. I still haven't given up, and hoping one day my body finally embraces it and settles the eff down. My deep sleep ranges from 20-40 min nightly, with and without DSIP 😭
 
Update:

Received DSIP instead of KPV due to a vendor error, obviously I tried it that night.

Used 600mcg after lights out, book down, and resting for a while. Within ten minutes of injection I felt a distinct change in my headspace and felt dreamy and unfocused, not sleepy per se but a noticable step in the right direction.

However, I had had 30mg of caffeine earlier in the day (i am sensitive to it) and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to asleep (morning engagement the next day) so I got up and took a benadryl and a melatonin.

The process of falling asleep felt different than usual and I felt the process was well improved. I didn't wake much during the night (i normally wake up when the benadryl wears off around 4am). I think I will like this compound very much.

I'm excited to try it without the benadryl and melatonin.
 
I've used it at the same time with Epithalon. Absolutely magnificent. My deep sleep and length of sleep changed significantly. I used both as intranasal sprays
I'm curious about your experience. I'm a chronic insomniac and I've started epitalon (5mg) a few days ago, which seems to have messed up my sleep. I'm back to waking up at 3am and I'm getting 6hrs as opposed to 8hrs now. I've never been on dsip and was doing ok on mag gly and melatonin until I introduced epi.

Do you attribute the improvement in quality and length of your sleep more to dsip or epitalon? Considering powering through the full 20day epi cycle then trying out dsip.
 
I'm curious about your experience. I'm a chronic insomniac and I've started epitalon (5mg) a few days ago, which seems to have messed up my sleep. I'm back to waking up at 3am and I'm getting 6hrs as opposed to 8hrs now. I've never been on dsip and was doing ok on mag gly and melatonin until I introduced epi.

Do you attribute the improvement in quality and length of your sleep more to dsip or epitalon? Considering powering through the full 20day epi cycle then trying out dsip.
Oof! I also suffered from epitalon. I found some instructions on intransal buried in this forum and gave it a go. My gosh! I slept nothing that night! My mix was 500 mcg per spray and I did 2 sprays for a total of 1 mg - big mistake! I read elsewhere to do 200 mcg earlier (4-6 hours before bedtime) but I haven't gotten the courage to possibly relive my "up all night" shenanigans...
I do love DSIP, though. I'm a night owl who can't naturally fall asleep and went from 2 doxylamines per night to half or none. I still take like 6 other supplements for sleep, though - but those I had been doing for years and still used to need OTC meds.
 
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I'm curious about your experience. I'm a chronic insomniac and I've started epitalon (5mg) a few days ago, which seems to have messed up my sleep. I'm back to waking up at 3am and I'm getting 6hrs as opposed to 8hrs now. I've never been on dsip and was doing ok on mag gly and melatonin until I introduced epi.

Do you attribute the improvement in quality and length of your sleep more to dsip or epitalon? Considering powering through the full 20day epi cycle then trying out dsip.
I can't say bc I ran them together... But I can say I started too high on Epitalon and felt crappy. When I scaled down to 1mg qd, things got so much better.
 
I'm curious about your experience. I'm a chronic insomniac and I've started epitalon (5mg) a few days ago, which seems to have messed up my sleep. I'm back to waking up at 3am and I'm getting 6hrs as opposed to 8hrs now. I've never been on dsip and was doing ok on mag gly and melatonin until I introduced epi.

Do you attribute the improvement in quality and length of your sleep more to dsip or epitalon? Considering powering through the full 20day epi cycle then trying out dsip.

The synergy of Epithalon and DSIP together, for most, increases each of their efficacy, independently there are many mixed experiences but generally speaking, Epithalon has a higher rate of notable effect than DSIP from what I've read, but even for those that DSIP didn't work for alone, found it helpful after stacking Epi.

Also, that's a very high starting dosage, maybe try dialing that back, like by more than 10x...
Most people start in the .mcg range.
 
I have some being delivered Monday, I should have epithalon soon as well.

I sleep decently overall, better lately, but interesting in checking them out.
...but even for those that DSIP didn't work for alone, found it helpful after stacking Epi...

I gave DSIP a whirl last week... planned on going a full week but quit after 5 nights.

I took .165mg the first 3 nights, .33mg the next two.

I seemed to dream more/remember my dreams more when I woke up. Otherwise I went from no sleep debt to nearly 5 hours of sleep debt... not impressed at all about DSIP.


I'm giving Epitalon a whirl, since I have DSIP still, I may see if a stack has a meaningful effect, but I'm not going to DSIP much of an additional chance.
 
The synergy of Epithalon and DSIP together, for most, increases each of their efficacy, independently there are many mixed experiences but generally speaking, Epithalon has a higher rate of notable effect than DSIP from what I've read, but even for those that DSIP didn't work for alone, found it helpful after stacking Epi.

Also, that's a very high starting dosage, maybe try dialing that back, like by more than 10x...
Most people start in the .mcg range.
I have actually switched to morning shots and am back to sleeping normally, perhaps slightly better, even. It seems I am missing out on the dsip epi synergy! I'll have to run dsip separately, as I'll be done with my epi cycle by the time I get my hands on dsip, but thanks for the advice.

I think whether 5mg epi/day is a low or high dose is up for debate? I kind of like living life on the edge and will continue here for the next 15 days to finish this cycle. If I survive, I am going to run 10mg in my next cycle.
 
I have actually switched to morning shots and am back to sleeping normally, perhaps slightly better, even. It seems I am missing out on the dsip epi synergy! I'll have to run dsip separately, as I'll be done with my epi cycle by the time I get my hands on dsip, but thanks for the advice.

I think whether 5mg epi/day is a low or high dose is up for debate? I kind of like living life on the edge and will continue here for the next 15 days to finish this cycle. If I survive, I am going to run 10mg in my next cycle.

I continue to find it interesting how varied people's effective protocols are for these.. I'm glad you've been able to dial in morning doses for efficacy, seen that being the solution for a number people. Hopefully the DSIP shows up close to the end of your Epi cycle- many find that even if not stacked simultaneously, Running an Epic cycle immediately before DSIP still increases it's effectiveness.

Dosage is absolutely always up for debate! I've seen quite a wide effective range from 200mcg to 10mg. My only point was that starting at 5mg is leaving a lot of unknown in exploring what will or won't work for an individual. My brain says working up is more logical than working down, or not knowing whether one should go up or down.
 
I'm giving Epitalon a whirl, since I have DSIP still, I may see if a stack has a meaningful effect, but I'm not going to DSIP much of an additional chance.

I stacked last night, sleep was ok... the breakdown (which I'm generally dubious of) showed deep sleep wasn't as good as normal. I'll run it again tonight.

I have 50mg vials of Epi, running 2mg for 25 days is the theory to consume a vial. I am open to the idea that a lower dose may be more effective, but that's not usually the case. I took .33mg of DSIP last night for the stack.
 
I stacked last night, sleep was ok... the breakdown (which I'm generally dubious of) showed deep sleep wasn't as good as normal. I'll run it again tonight.

I have 50mg vials of Epi, running 2mg for 25 days is the theory to consume a vial. I am open to the idea that a lower dose may be more effective, but that's not usually the case. I took .33mg of DSIP last night for the stack.

.3 DSIP is where I would start 👍
I hope it turns around for you.. deep sleep decreasing does not seem very common.
 
.3 DSIP is where I would start 👍
I hope it turns around for you.. deep sleep decreasing does not seem very common.
Where you would start?

I read .1-.3mg. I'm fine with pinning whatever if it's effective, no sides, and no physical downsides.
 
Yeah, I was just saying that where you started is a grounded and agreeable dose.
Ah, I didn't know if you were implying a higher max dose was something you'd seen/experienced... if so I'm all ears.

I figured my 2mg Epi dose was a pseudo middle ground between the 5-10mg crowd and the mcg crowd. I couldn't find adverse effects from the higher doses, so I figured make a single vial last the duration.
 
Does anyone have real time experience with DSIP. I usually don’t get more than 4-5 hours sleep as it is and have just heard of DSIP. I guess there really is a peptide for everything. Anyone with positive reviews , and is there any side effects to be aware of especially if Reta and Tesamorelin is also being used?
I only take once or twice a week on nights where my mind is racing but I know I need the sleep. Lack of quality sleep has been an issue for me over last 3-4 years.

Not sure if it is placebo or real (I believe it is real), but at 250-300mcg it does seem to give me better sleep without the drowsiness the next day. I suffer from the “wired but tired” feeling and especially before I have to be up early to catch a plane or travel. Unlike pills of melatonin or sleep aids, once I wake up from using DISP, even if after a few hours, I seem to not get that groggy feeling. I used it last night and slept 6 hours but it felt like I slept 8 hours and upon waking I am mentally alert and ready to start the day.
 
Tried it last night. I took 150 micrograms injectable.
Slept a bit deeper, but not by much.
Also felt dizzy 30 minutes after taking it.

For better sleep I prefer to take 25mg of doxylamine (for sale on Ebay) + 10mg of melatonin.
That for me works much better than DSIP. Its cheaper too in the long run
 
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