Enclomiphene Vendor/supplier

[AndyPanda]

Clomiphene does work to get your natty nuts firing. It’s definitely inferior to enclomiphine, but if it’s all you can get, it is an option for PCT.

HCG and Clomiphene together is a cheap option that’s very effective if you can tolerate it.

 

[Tbagger]

I talked to kawwal and he had this to say:
"We are told it's enclomiphene
However, it's not the approved chemical here or anywhere

So that's the label claim on the box"

So apparently it is enclomiphene but they have to write clomiphene on it. What do you guys think? Maybe everyone threw out their pills too early? Probably should do a group testing or something what do y'all think. If it is indeed enclo it would be the cheapest source for it

Didn't throw any away, but definitely tucked the bottle in the back of my medicine cabinet since I can't trust it. If I was wanting to deal with a bunch of side effects, I'd just jump on Test C. But I did get some enclomiphene from MA research chems. It's $55 for 60 doses of 12.5mg So not as good of a deal, but I trust Arnold a lot more than Kawwal. lol

 

[AndyPanda]

Didn't throw any away, but definitely tucked the bottle in the back of my medicine cabinet since I can't trust it. If I was wanting to deal with a bunch of side effects, I'd just jump on Test C. But I did get some enclomiphene from MA research chems. It's $55 for 60 doses of 12.5mg So not as good of a deal, but I trust Arnold a lot more than Kawwal. lol

If you got it from Kawwal, it would not be in a bottle.

 

[Tbagger]

If you got it from Kawwal, it would not be in a bottle.

I put them in a pill bottle. Much easier than having a giant stack of blister packs. Lol

 

[AndyPanda]

I put them in a pill bottle. Much easier than having a giant stack of blister packs. Lol

That makes sense. I keep the stuff I’m storing long term in the blister packs. I think it’s nitrogen purged when they package it that way to help with preservation.

 

[mraajr]

Didn't throw any away, but definitely tucked the bottle in the back of my medicine cabinet since I can't trust it. If I was wanting to deal with a bunch of side effects, I'd just jump on Test C. But I did get some enclomiphene from MA research chems. It's $55 for 60 doses of 12.5mg So not as good of a deal, but I trust Arnold a lot more than Kawwal. lol

What side effects does Test give you? I went from Enclo to Test and feel significantly better with zero side effects.

 

[Zydeceltico]

What side effects does Test give you? I went from Enclo to Test and feel significantly better with zero side effects.

I'm on enclo and never tried test. What side effects was enclo giving you? I've been contemplating test myself. My free T is at 10.8 currently though and I'm wondering if the switch is worth it. The reason I am asking is that I am discovering that I am sometimes having symptoms from various meds and/or lifestyle choices that I have been unaware of until I swicthed or stopped a given protocol.

 

[Tbagger]

What side effects does Test give you? I went from Enclo to Test and feel significantly better with zero side effects.

Exogenous test can give an array of mild to serious side effects. Other than a 100% chance of causing hypogonadism, it can cause erythrocytosis which greatly increases the chance of heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots. It can also cause prostate growth, increase risk of prostate cancer, can cause gynecomastia, give you sleep apnea, hair loss, acne, and more.

I'm not saying everyone will get side effects, just that it is definitely a risk. I joined a few TRT groups to learn more and dozes of people a day are asking for advice on how to manage their side effects.

That being said, I'm still considering pulling the trigger on TRT. There are a lot of pros! And when done right, the cons can be minimized.

 

[AndyPanda]

Exogenous test can give an array of mild to serious side effects. Other than a 100% chance of causing hypogonadism, it can cause erythrocytosis which greatly increases the chance of heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots. It can also cause prostate growth, increase risk of prostate cancer, can cause gynecomastia, give you sleep apnea, hair loss, acne, and more.

I'm not saying everyone will get side effects, just that it is definitely a risk. I joined a few TRT groups to learn more and dozes of people a day are asking for advice on how to manage their side effects.

That being said, I'm still considering pulling the trigger on TRT. There are a lot of pros! And when done right, the cons can be minimized.

Testosterone will aromatize more if your body fat is 25% or higher. Anastrozole can prevent some of the symptoms of high estrogen (Gynecomastia, Decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, Mood swings, Increased fatigue, fluid retention). 1mg every 3 days should be adequate.

I don’t know anyone who isn’t really blasting testosterone that has had hair loss or acne, but you can theoretically treat the hair loss with finasteride, minoxidil, and the acne with Accutane.

In my experience, if your T levels are low, there is nothing that will make you feel better than exogenous testosterone. You should really get blood tests, but if you don’t have the means for that, just start with low testosterone doses and titrate up until you feel the way you want to. Even physicians are going off of guess work testosterone most of the time unless they specialize in it. There is a stigma with TRT that is undeserved.

 

[ronin365]

I have found 600 mg of DIM daily to be good for reducing dependency on AIs. But the effectiveness of DIM or even just keeping aromatization naturally lower, is also going to depend not just on how much T you're using but on how well your liver works and how much bodyfat you have. A year ago, I don't think DIM would have helped as much as it does now.

 

[CMA Pooky]

Clomiphene does work to get your natty nuts firing. It’s definitely inferior to enclomiphine, but if it’s all you can get, it is an option for PCT.

HCG and Clomiphene together is a cheap option that’s very effective if you can tolerate it.

Will HCG by itself work at all?

 

[Habibibi]

Hcg and enclomiphene can work for people with secondary hypogonadism. If you have primary hypogonadism, you need to look elsewhere.

 

[AndyPanda]

Will HCG by itself work at all?

Absolutely

 

[mraajr]

I'm on enclo and never tried test. What side effects was enclo giving you? I've been contemplating test myself. My free T is at 10.8 currently though and I'm wondering if the switch is worth it. The reason I am asking is that I am discovering that I am sometimes having symptoms from various meds and/or lifestyle choices that I have been unaware of until I swicthed or stopped a given protocol.

Enclo did not give me any sides at all. Maybe a slight increase in emotional response from my E2 going from 19 to 42 but I mean very slight. Enlco did nothing to lower my SHBG so even though I had an 1100 total t level my free t was still relatively low. 150mg Test Prop pinned every day has kept my Total level the exact same but dropped my SHBG in half and doubled my free and bioavailable test.

 

[Zydeceltico]

Enclo did not give me any sides at all. Maybe a slight increase in emotional response from my E2 going from 19 to 42 but I mean very slight. Enlco did nothing to lower my SHBG so even though I had an 1100 total t level my free t was still relatively low. 150mg Test Prop pinned every day has kept my Total level the exact same but dropped my SHBG in half and doubled my free and bioavailable test.

Exactly the info I was looking for. Thx!! I'm having the same issue with SHBG.

I'm looking into Boron as well. Apparently very effective for this issue.

 

[Tbagger]

I ordered from MA too. Order should be arriving soon 😀. Let me know your testosterone results before and after enclo and your dosing schedule. I'll do the same but I'm planning on taking enclo at least a month later for personal reasons, probably March I'll start

I’ve been taking it for almost a month now and will be getting my labs done again sometime in the upcoming month.

 

[data259]

I’ve been taking it for almost a month now and will be getting my labs done again sometime in the upcoming month.

With those dropper bottles of Enclo, how do you use it? Swallowed or under the tongue?

 

[Tbagger]

With those dropper bottles of Enclo, how do you use it? Swallowed or under the tongue?

I mix it in water along with methylene blue, SLU-PP-332, and flavored electrolytes.

 

[Zydeceltico]

With those dropper bottles of Enclo, how do you use it? Swallowed or under the tongue?

I use the dropper bottles straight from the bottle under the tongue.

 

[Zydeceltico]

I read you can just squirt it back of the throat. Any difference?

I seriously doubt it.

 

[IshimaruKenta]

I read you can just squirt it back of the throat. Any difference?

 

[brah389]

Does anyone have any updates to this? Any significant increase in testosterone?

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I still haven't tried the enclo I got from Modern Aminos. I am waiting to use it as pct after an Anavar cycle. However, I did find a Chinese supplier that has 100 pill bottles of 25mg enclo for $90. I can DM on here if anyone is interested, they also have AAS.

 

[wonttellyou]

that wold be appreciated

 

[ThunderBird]

I still haven't tried the enclo I got from Modern Aminos. I am waiting to use it as pct after an Anavar cycle. However, I did find a Chinese supplier that has 100 pill bottles of 25mg enclo for $90. I can DM on here if anyone is interested, they also have AAS.

on a real note just get it compounded its basically the same price and they just give it you also shipping is almost always 1-2 days

 

[wildweasel]

I saw much better prices as a powder. It is tempting to order like 5 grams and use a tiny spoon full rather than a pill.

Stupid question here: I'm seeing some vendors sell it as a powder, I'm supposed to put it in capsules and take it, right?

Purchase PG solvent and just mix yourself, its more effor than its worth measuring out 25mg spoonfulls. buy you powder, and dissolve in a Propylene Glycol + Ethanol solvent such that its 25mg/ml and its now easy to take daily

I used to do this. purchase powder very inexpensive and just premixed a single bottle that would last for a few months

Is enclomiphene really that different from regular clomiphene?

I couldn't see on that site where it's $18. Heck, I couldn't even find it listed on the site.

yes. clomid is 50% enclo and 50% something that causes all of the negative side affects of clomid.. enclo does not have that component, nearly no sides whatsoever and more effective.

 

[wildweasel]

Kimera sent me a bottle that is labeled "Enclomiphene," but on the label the molecular formula and molar weight are that of clomiphene. Waiting for them to respond because they are closed on the weekends.

They’re structurally the same, but Clomid is actually a mix of two mirror-image forms of the molecule (like left and right hands). same weight, same formula on the label.

• Clomid = enclomiphene + zuclomiphene
• Enclomiphene = the part that gives the desired hormonal effects
• Zuclomiphene = mostly responsible for side effects and doesn’t add much benefit

Clomid is sold as a mix because separating the two is difficult. Enclomiphene is Clomid without the zuclomiphene part.

It will have identical molecular weight as Clomid. Most labels will not include R/S optical stereocenter notation on the formulas they print on the label, so the formula would appear to be the same as well (it is the same formula, but some part of enclo would point in the opposite direction in space as zuclo does)

 

[RubbaDubba1]

on a real note just get it compounded its basically the same price and they just give it you also shipping is almost always 1-2 days

That's how I get mine, not much more money for same stuff.

 

[swimmer]

Purchase PG solvent and just mix yourself, its more effor than its worth measuring out 25mg spoonfulls. buy you powder, and dissolve in a Propylene Glycol + Ethanol solvent such that its 25mg/ml and its now easy to take daily

I have been dissolving it in pure Propylene Glycol at 12.5 mg. per 0.5 ml.
That way I can measure 250 mg. for 20 12.5 mg doses. I just need to heat it to get it to dissolve. About 5 sec. In my microwave does the trick. What does the ethanol do?

 

[ThunderBird]

That's how I get mine, not much more money for same stuff.

A lot of Enclo is Clomid most people just don't know the difference lol but yea I will never understand saving 20 bucks to wait 4 weeks to maybe get enclo and probably get zuclo or clomid. when you can wait 2 days and get it legally for 20 more bucks. also I'm amazed by the people on here saying enclo has no sides it most definitely does.