DragonOfTheSea
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Good luck!🍀
Keep us updated, the more anecdata the better 🙂
Epithalon
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Keep us updated, the more anecdata the better 🙂
My husband had a few nightmares, but they did seem to subside after a few weeks. I did not have this issue.
Ksyusha
GLP-1 Novice
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I will.
Ksyusha
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I rarely have a nightmares, but if I do they would be so realistic that I can’t fall asleep for hours after.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
ultima thule
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'm a few days now on Epi 500mcg per day. About the dreams...bad no, but weird - yes. So far anyway...other than that, I've noticed a lil bit more energy during the day, but might be placebo, hard to say yet...
Hubby said his were pretty vivid.
I have 4 more days to go until the end of the 20-day cycle. I'm taking 2mg a day. I seem to sleep more deeply, and if I wake up to go to the bathroom, I fall back asleep faster. I've had strange dreams a couple of times, but it might be a coincidence. Now I'm curious what changes after I stop.
It stings very little on me, I almost don't feel it
Powerslide
GLP-1 Apprentice
When you guys cycle off do you go back to crappy sleep?
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
I don't. My last epi cycle ended 3/6, and I'm going to do another one as soon as my KLOW is over (bout twenty days from now.) Sleep's still good, I do 1 mg a day for 20-22 days (3 vials of the 7.5 I got from an underfilled group buy)
What is your Epitalon cycle (on/off)?
Pep-Pedia seems to think that it should be 10–20 days on and 4–6 months off. Does that make sense to you? What do you do?
CNCCurrency
GLP-1 Specialist
I and my dog run it 20 days a month.
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
I'm doing every three months and change. I want zero risk of having bad sleep again.
dancs
GLP-1 Novice
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Seems like it works for you well, then. Very cool. Am going to try it myself.
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
Man, I'll tell you anything you want to know. I am so in love with your cat. If that animal is AI, please don't tell me. It would be cruel.
haha - not AI, for sure🙂
RascalRaccoon
GLP-1 Enthusiast
In the first week I had hectic dreams, like wake up breathing hard (one instance was my partner chasing me with a cockroach lol) so not exactly nightmares but like intense enough to stimulate a physical response and wake me up, but that died down.
I've got some other responses in this thread but I've since done a cycle of DSIP, and the dreams were also more vivid but I feel I got better sleep on it and since finishing my cycle I'm still sleeping well.
Ksyusha
GLP-1 Novice
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Thank you so much.
I’m starting it next Friday. Hope to see good results
i'm kicking myself, want to run a cycle of epi but i ordered a single 50mg vial because i was going back and forth with some of the dosing confusion arising from translating the khavinson protocols. sounds like most people run 1mg or less for 20 day cycles.
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
My mom is running 1 mg per day for 20 days on and 30 days off. She wanted the sleep benefits to be more consistent. I didn't find any information that suggested that was any more risky than the usual injecting-chinese-mystery-powder; I guess some people run it continually for the same reason.
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
As far as epithalon is concerned...
It really is all that. 1mg a day in the evening was life changing for me. Desperately need more. Want to try stacking with pinealon as well.
DSIP is a joke and I don't know why it gets brought up so often. I implore you not to waste your money on DSIP if you're curious, unless you have a lot of money that you need to get rid of. It helps, but it's a miniscule amount and you'd undoubtedly be better served by an OTC sleep supplement.
It gives you nice dreams and slightly more restful sleep, but it doesn't help you get to sleep like epithalon does.
For estrogen, injectable is best. Cheapest and easiest way to maintain stable levels. Best part, you can get it very cheaply too. Might want to pair with a cream for local tissues.
It really is all that. 1mg a day in the evening was life changing for me. Desperately need more. Want to try stacking with pinealon as well.
DSIP is a joke and I don't know why it gets brought up so often. I implore you not to waste your money on DSIP if you're curious, unless you have a lot of money that you need to get rid of. It helps, but it's a miniscule amount and you'd undoubtedly be better served by an OTC sleep supplement.
It gives you nice dreams and slightly more restful sleep, but it doesn't help you get to sleep like epithalon does.
Fun fact about oral micronised progesterone – it's not a very good source of progesterone. Only about 20% of it is absorbed as progesterone while the rest becomes pregnenolone or allopregnanolone, another calming neurosteroid. Injectable progesterone, or using the pills for sublingual or rectal use, are much more effective at actually delivering progesterone.
For estrogen, injectable is best. Cheapest and easiest way to maintain stable levels. Best part, you can get it very cheaply too. Might want to pair with a cream for local tissues.
birdwhacker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Why are you kicking yourself? Just run two cycles at 1mg a day for 25 days with 10-20 days off. Reconned vials last 3+ months.
Yes, that's precisely why it really helps with sleep. The unabosrbed portion is what a lot of women seek. I know some women who stack p injections and oral for this benefit.
DragonOfTheSea
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Update from a couple of months ago:
The sleep journey for my wife has remained arduous, but I think we're finally on the right track!.. I had tried so many different Intranasal combinations and preparations, trying to see if things isolated or combined were better or worse, but a lot of the anecdata was inconsistent, until now! Instead of dabbling about, I just kinda went for it and increased potency across the board, and we're finding success. Here's where I've landed:
Subcutaneous - Daily/late afternoon on 25 day cycles
Epitalon 1mg
Intranasal - Daily/early evenings
DSIP 500mcg
Pinealon 500mcg
NA Selank Amidate 500mcg
Wife is getting measurably better deep sleep since starting this cycle, and each successive night is improving.
The sleep journey for my wife has remained arduous, but I think we're finally on the right track!.. I had tried so many different Intranasal combinations and preparations, trying to see if things isolated or combined were better or worse, but a lot of the anecdata was inconsistent, until now! Instead of dabbling about, I just kinda went for it and increased potency across the board, and we're finding success. Here's where I've landed:
Subcutaneous - Daily/late afternoon on 25 day cycles
Epitalon 1mg
Intranasal - Daily/early evenings
DSIP 500mcg
Pinealon 500mcg
NA Selank Amidate 500mcg
Wife is getting measurably better deep sleep since starting this cycle, and each successive night is improving.
thank you both. figured something like this was the answer but was looking for opinions from those who run it.
has anyone added thymalin to an epitalon cycle to try and replicate the khavinson longevity protocols? also, i have seen some protocols that mention running epitalon while pausing all other peps besides GLP-1s.
Mochizuki0124
GLP-1 Apprentice
Why are you doing Epi in the afternoon? My understanding is it needs to be taken 30 min - 1hr prior to sleeping. It also sets your sleep cycle so its ideal to take it at the same time everynight.
Im currently stacking Sermorelin and Epi at night and let me tell yah it knocks me out and if I take it later than my usual time I also end up oversleeping.
