European BAC water supplier?

[healthyanon]

Hey!

Just looking to find a trusted EU (or even better german) BAC water supplier! Can't really find something that looks legit so I guess I have to rely on your guys experience...

Something like this isn't BAC water right? https://www.shop-apotheke.com/arzneimittel/6605508/ampuwa-wasser-fuer-injektionszwecke.htm
It comes up when I google bac water and it says for injection purposes but I'm guessing its just sterile water going off the low price?

Thanks!

 

[Jack brown]

Hey there, to get actual bacteriostatic water you are likely going to have to buy from an American company. This may risk seizure, but here are some sources:

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection 30mL | Hospira Pfizer

Always fresh expiry dates. Authentic Hospira Pfizer Bacteriostatic Water 30mL multi-dose vial. Sterile water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol preservative for diluting, dissolving, or reconstituting medications.

www.midwiferysupplies.ca

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP - 30mL MDV ABB3977-03 | AMSCO Medical

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic preparation of water for injection rncontaining 0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol added as a bacteriostatic preservative. ABB3977-03

amscomedical.com

Both of which deliver internationally

On the Janoshik podcast Peter Magic said he was comfortable using sterile water for up to 30 days, so you could just do that. Make sure to use sterile technique and filter if you know how.

 

[healthyanon]

Hey there, to get actual bacteriostatic water you are likely going to have to buy from an American company. This may risk seizure, but here are some sources:

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection 30mL | Hospira Pfizer

Always fresh expiry dates. Authentic Hospira Pfizer Bacteriostatic Water 30mL multi-dose vial. Sterile water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol preservative for diluting, dissolving, or reconstituting medications.

www.midwiferysupplies.ca

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP - 30mL MDV ABB3977-03 | AMSCO Medical

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic preparation of water for injection rncontaining 0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol added as a bacteriostatic preservative. ABB3977-03

amscomedical.com

Both of which deliver internationally

On the Janoshik podcast Peter Magic said he was comfortable using sterile water for up to 30 days, so you could just do that. Make sure to use sterile technique and filter if you know how.

Huh thats pretty crazy, wouldn't have thought that some sterile water with alcohol would be this tightly controlled...

 

[healthyanon]

Has anyone tried these ones on amazon? Seems crazy overpriced but if its easy to get hold of might be an option?

PhD Peptides Bacteriostatic Sterile Water - 20 ml - Peptide Reconstitution Solution - Bac Water : Amazon.de: Business, Industry & Science

PhD Peptides Bacteriostatic Sterile Water - 20 ml - Peptide Reconstitution Solution - Bac Water : Amazon.de: Business, Industry & Science

www.amazon.de

 

[Jack brown]

Has anyone tried these ones on amazon? Seems crazy overpriced but if its easy to get hold of might be an option?

PhD Peptides Bacteriostatic Sterile Water - 20 ml - Peptide Reconstitution Solution - Bac Water : Amazon.de: Business, Industry & Science

PhD Peptides Bacteriostatic Sterile Water - 20 ml - Peptide Reconstitution Solution - Bac Water : Amazon.de: Business, Industry & Science

www.amazon.de

Yes, but how do you know it is sterile, depyrogenated and contains benzyl alcohol?
At least with Pfizer sterile water you can be sure of the first two

 

[Noerofthings]

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP - 30mL MDV ABB3977-03 | AMSCO Medical

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic preparation of water for injection rncontaining 0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol added as a bacteriostatic preservative. ABB3977-03

amscomedical.com

Both of which deliver internationally

Amsco doesn't deliver outside of the USA

I believe there are 2 EU vendors that sell bac water: R31NK (reink) and Helus Lab. You can find their contact information somewhere on the Stairway to Grey telegram group, but I don't remember where

I vouch for birthsuppliescanada BTW, they might just be a bit slow but that's it

@healthyanon

 

[Der Erlkasper]

I used Herbilabs BAC water from Amazon, and I'm still alive.

They emphasise 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol contents, batch identification and proper PH on the packaging, and they seem to be a British company. Has anyone done 3rd party testing on them?

I couldn't find any Hospira BAC water on sale in Europe unfortunately.

 

[dazedconfused_]

Hey!

Just looking to find a trusted EU (or even better german) BAC water supplier! Can't really find something that looks legit so I guess I have to rely on your guys experience...

Something like this isn't BAC water right? https://www.shop-apotheke.com/arzneimittel/6605508/ampuwa-wasser-fuer-injektionszwecke.htm
It comes up when I google bac water and it says for injection purposes but I'm guessing its just sterile water going off the low price?

Thanks!

Did you have any luck with finding a solution? Also from Germany and currently on the search. Someone I know personally has been using the PhD Peptides BAC from Amazon someone posted here and he's alive and well and has no complaints, but I'm considering to just go for it and order the Hospira.. unless there's a proper option available in Germany/EU 👀

 

[mercutio]

R31NK is EU and sells Hospira. Any other bac may as well be toilet water as far as I am concerned.

 

[Jack brown]

Did you have any luck with finding a solution? Also from Germany and currently on the search. Someone I know personally has been using the PhD Peptides BAC from Amazon someone posted here and he's alive and well and has no complaints, but I'm considering to just go for it and order the Hospira.. unless there's a proper option available in Germany/EU 👀

I'd recommend you get pharma grade sterile water, especially if you have lower volume vials. Even moreso if you are using a pen and/or filtering to further reduce sterility risks.

 

[Teretere]

I saw this discussed elsewhere today - haven’t tried them personally but could be another option? They do COA at least, although the review dates look a bit iffy… Caveat emptor. It’s as spendy as the Canadian midwifery place, but it’s another option if that option goes dead.

Bacteriostatic Water

Sterile, non-pyrogenic Bacteriostatic Water (0.9% benzyl alcohol), 10 or 30 mL multi-dose vial for research reagent reconstitution. Up to 28-day in-use period

www.canvaxbiotech.com

 

[Snuki]

Do you have more information?

 

[cheesecake]

Why not create your own BAC water? Buy the 50ml Ampuwa sterile water packs (20x50ml for around 40€), 100ml higly pure Benzylalcohol from Labdiscounter (99,95% pure), and make your own. The 50ml Ampuwa bottles have a rubber cap - perfect for sterile work with needles. Add 0.45ml of the pure BA to the 50ml bottles and you are good to go. Or go higher, if you want to use it for longer. Adding up to 0.7ml should not change anything drastically biological wise, but will keep the bottle longer sterile.

 

[ultima thule]

I saw this discussed elsewhere today - haven’t tried them personally but could be another option? They do COA at least, although the review dates look a bit iffy… Caveat emptor. It’s as spendy as the Canadian midwifery place, but it’s another option if that option goes dead.

Bacteriostatic Water

Sterile, non-pyrogenic Bacteriostatic Water (0.9% benzyl alcohol), 10 or 30 mL multi-dose vial for research reagent reconstitution. Up to 28-day in-use period

www.canvaxbiotech.com

Company looks reliable. Tempting to give it a shot and order their bac water. 10x10ml for €60 would be a perfect solution for lack of hospira in EU.

 

[DrPEPr]

€60,- for 100ml BAC is madness.
Also, the CoA on their (Canvax) site is theirs (should always be 3rd party imho).

Aqua sterop / Braun Water for injections is only €2,36 per 100ml and it comes in a nice glass bottle with butyl stopper. Just add the BA and you're good to go.
#Nobrainer

 

[Delphyne]

Why not create your own BAC water? Buy the 50ml Ampuwa sterile water packs (20x50ml for around 40€), 100ml higly pure Benzylalcohol from Labdiscounter (99,95% pure), and make your own. The 50ml Ampuwa bottles have a rubber cap - perfect for sterile work with needles. Add 0.45ml of the pure BA to the 50ml bottles and you are good to go. Or go higher, if you want to use it for longer. Adding up to 0.7ml should not change anything drastically biological wise, but will keep the bottle longer sterile.

Is the benzo from labdiscounter pharmagrade or is that not necessary?

 

[DrPEPr]

Is the benzo from labdiscounter pharmagrade or is that not necessary?

Pharma grade benzyl alcohol is not a thing.
(And 99.95% pure is excellent quality).

 

[StanNorth]

Huh thats pretty crazy, wouldn't have thought that some sterile water with alcohol would be this tightly controlled...

I was thinking the same. It's not like the formula is super complicated, but everyone distrusts non-hospira bac water. You'd expect that by now someone's tried to break this monopoly with legitimate product

 

[cheesecake]

I paid a premium to buy 99,95% purity, compared to 99,9%. The water is sterile, as it is certified. I am not afraid to introduce bacteria to the water, as I will dunk the whole needle into the alcohol. Nothing will survive that. Also wipe all caps with the alcohol. If you are paranoid, you can always filter or make a 1.5% instead of 0.9% strength solution…

 

[DrPEPr]

I am not afraid to introduce bacteria to the water, as I will dunk the whole needle into the alcohol. Nothing will survive that. Also wipe all caps with the alcohol.

Needles cost pennies. If you use a sterile needle then there is no need to 'dunk it' in alcohol.
I (recommend you) use a fresh needle for every action. E.g. draw with needle A, take it off and inject with needle B.

If you are paranoid, you can always filter or make a 1.5% instead of 0.9% strength solution…

Filtering your benzyl alcohol or sterile water (which is already sterile 🙂) is definitely not needed.
Also the USP specification for BAC is 0.9%-1.1%, so 1.5% is a bit too much.
Keep it simple... use 1ml benzyl alcohol per 100ml water (resulting in a ~0.99% solution (1/101)).

 

[DrPEPr]

I was thinking the same. It's not like the formula is super complicated, but everyone distrusts non-hospira bac water. You'd expect that by now someone's tried to break this monopoly with legitimate product

TLDR: It's due to regulations.

According to GEMINI.

The reason isn't actually about the ingredients themselves—it’s about legal liability, manufacturing standards, and the definition of a "finished drug product."

Here is why the math doesn't seem to add up:

1. The "Final Product" Designation​

In the eyes of regulatory bodies (like the FDA or EMA), Sterile Water is a simple commodity. Benzyl Alcohol is a chemical additive. However, once you combine them, the resulting Bacteriostatic Water is classified as a "Preserved Diluent."

Because it is intended to be injected and to keep a multidose vial safe for weeks, the manufacturing requirements are much stricter. A company can't just mix them in a tub; they have to prove that the 0.9% concentration is perfectly uniform across every single bottle in a massive batch.

2. The Multi-Dose Risk Factor​

• Sterile Water (Single Use): If a manufacturer messes up a batch of sterile water, one person gets an infection.
• BAC Water (Multi-Dose): If the BAC water is sub-potent (say, 0.4% instead of 0.9%), it might not kill the bacteria introduced by a needle. That vial then sits for three weeks, becoming a petri dish.

Because BAC water is designed to "fail-safe" against human error (re-using needles or multiple punctures), regulators hold the manufacturers to Current Good Manufacturing Practice (cGMP) standards that are incredibly expensive to maintain.

3. Market Monopoly and "Prescription-Only" Status​

In many regions, BAC water is classified as a prescription drug. This isn't because the water is dangerous, but because its only medical use is to reconstitute other prescription drugs.

By keeping it behind a prescription wall, authorities ensure that people aren't (theoretically) using it to prepare unapproved or "off-label" substances. Since Sterile Water has "innocent" uses (like humidifiers or wound cleaning), it escapes this level of gatekeeping.

 

[cheesecake]

Interestingly enough, I just rechecked all the equipment I bought, and realized that the 3ml pen cartidges that were advertized as sterile, were missing the sterilization date and the purple seal was not yellow, meaning they probably are not sterile. Will look for a new source. If somebody here knows of one in Europe, I am all ears 🙂

 

[cheesecake]

Filtering your benzyl alcohol or sterile water (which is already sterile 🙂) is definitely not needed.

After reconstituting it makes sense. You filter any bacteria left in the peptide powder / bottle the powder came in.

 

[Dumme]

Interestingly enough, I just rechecked all the equipment I bought, and realized that the 3ml pen cartidges that were advertized as sterile, were missing the sterilization date and the purple seal was not yellow, meaning they probably are not sterile. Will look for a new source. If somebody here knows of one in Europe, I am all ears 🙂

I am on the quest to make my own pen cartridges and also noticed that all vendors only sell the packages that you have to sterilize yourself, even though they advertise as sterile which is bs. Legit BAC water, properly sterilized pen ampules and a verified (after testing for endotoxin) ret is my holy grail.
Sidenote: I did find a couple pharmaceutical companies that sell bulk sterile ampules for pens in Europe but it would be a 400-500 investment just for that part. What pen are you using? Any info comments on my quest are welcome.

 

[cheesecake]

I have bought them from Aliexpess, single packages. Now I sterilize them in my instantpot - 30 minutes, high pressure.

 

[Randyfrog90]

I just went to order bac water and my supplier told me they can no longer ship it to the states from China? I know hospira is fairly cheap but it’s nice to have the option for the whole 10ml kit for $15. I supply a ton of peps to friends and family. Gonna be such a pain to mix all theirs up now

 

[DrPEPr]

I have bought them from Aliexpess, single packages. Now I sterilize them in my instantpot - 30 minutes, high pressure.

Endotoxins still might be a problem though.

 

[cheesecake]

There should not have been organic material for a substantial bacterial growth and subsequent endos. But you are absolutely correct, it is not an ideal solution, merely the one I have at the moment… 🙁

 

[Yokerr]

Needles cost pennies. If you use a sterile needle then there is no need to 'dunk it' in alcohol.
I (recommend you) use a fresh needle for every action. E.g. draw with needle A, take it off and inject with needle B.


Filtering your benzyl alcohol or sterile water (which is already sterile 🙂) is definitely not needed.
Also the USP specification for BAC is 0.9%-1.1%, so 1.5% is a bit too much.
Keep it simple... use 1ml benzyl alcohol per 100ml water (resulting in a ~0.99% solution (1/101)).

What about preparaion, will it be enough to spray the enviormente with alcohol as well? I'm talking about homemade enviroment. I got braun water like you recommend somewhere and waiting for my 99,95 alc.
Gonna try out to make some bac water soon 😀 Should i wear gloves, mask etc to jsut push the alc into WFI?

 

[greenwave1015]

Real BAC water is easily worth $10,000 per mg