Favorite storage case for freezer?

[MsGizmo]

Im pretty new still so I’m sure I’ll change things up but for now I emptied a shelf in my closet and dedicated it for pep supplies. I’m still trying to figure something for the fridge (I fill all the syringes at once) so I don’t have baggies full of needles 😏View attachment 8832

Oh so organized.

 

[basedpepbae]

Does anyone have a particular way they store needles, filters, syringes, alcohol wipes, and other paraphernalia linked to peps? Right now mine are all in a lunch box on top of my fridge, so not the most secure or particularly well stored!

Old post, but I bought one of these sterilite organizers from Walmart (I’m sure you can find something similar online) and it holds everything I need. And it’s cheap! This was $10.

I keep it on a shelf in my linen closet away from toddler hands.

 

[basedpepbae]

I AM considering a hydrapeak with inserts and desiccants for storing vials in the freezer. That will probably be a post Christmas purchase.

 

[desinr-gal]

I love a Mira brand 13.5 oz thermos.

Amazon.com: MIRA 2 Pack Insulated Food Jar thermo for Hot Food & Soup, Compact Stainless Steel Vacuum Lunch Container, 13.5 oz, Purple, Pearl Blue : Home & Kitchen

Amazon.com: MIRA 2 Pack Insulated Food Jar thermo for Hot Food & Soup, Compact Stainless Steel Vacuum Lunch Container, 13.5 oz, Purple, Pearl Blue : Home & Kitchen

a.co

It holds exactly thirty vials, standing upright in two rows. I treasure mine.

what do you put in between the levels?

I AM considering a hydrapeak with inserts and desiccants for storing vials in the freezer. That will probably be a post Christmas purchase.

On sale amazon black friday

 

[Chili777]

I've heard both. Happy to be wrong if you can send me some links

Is used to store my BAC in the fridge as well. Then I found the below. I haven't searched for the links, but I'm convinced. And of course, we all know the 28-day rule is for healthcare and research settings and it can go longer with proper hygiene:

Found it: Lehmann CR. "Effect of refrigeration on bactericidal activity of four preserved multiple-dose injectable drug products." American Journal of Hospital Pharmacy.

Longfield RN, Smith LP, Longfield JN, Coberly J, Cruess D. "Multiple-dose vials: persistence of bacterial contaminants and infection control implications." Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology.

Contrary to widespread belief, refrigeration of an opened vial of BAC Water is not best practice. Scientific evidence demonstrates that refrigeration paradoxically reduces the antimicrobial efficacy of the benzyl alcohol preservative. Storing an opened vial at controlled room temperature ensures the preservative remains maximally effective against any incidental microbial contamination, thereby providing a greater margin of safety throughout its 28-day use period.

 

[randompersonrandom]

what do you put in between the levels?

Nothing usually; I typically buy three kits at a time, since that's what'll fill one completely, and label the thermos itself. If I'm putting three kits of something different (like I've got two of Survo and one of just KPV), then I make sure the vials I'm putting in have different colored tops, and include the top color on my labels. But the fifteen vials on the bottom level are put in upright, so the next level just stacks directly on top of the bottom level.

 

[desinr-gal]

Nothing usually; I typically buy three kits at a time, since that's what'll fill one completely, and label the thermos itself. If I'm putting three kits of something different (like I've got two of Survo and one of just KPV), then I make sure the vials I'm putting in have different colored tops, and include the top color on my labels. But the fifteen vials on the bottom level are put in upright, so the next level just stacks directly on top of the bottom level.

impressive

 

[GalloB73]

Something tells me that it doesn't really matter to you. Does it matter to others? Part of the point of the GLP-1 forum is harm reduction, so I expect that it matters to others. I would say that what really matter is that we should not answer the posts and questions of others with authority when we really don't know "if it matters" or not. Your answer to the OP was " BAC water does indeed go in the fridge'.

So maybe what really matter is: if you don't know the answer, and don't know if the answer even matters or not, keep silent.

The OP had a real question and deserved a real answer.

No harm or offense meant

Is used to store my BAC in the fridge as well. Then I found the below. I haven't searched for the links, but I'm convinced. And of course, we all know the 28-day rule is for healthcare and research settings and it can go longer with proper hygiene:

Found it: Lehmann CR. "Effect of refrigeration on bactericidal activity of four preserved multiple-dose injectable drug products." American Journal of Hospital Pharmacy.

Longfield RN, Smith LP, Longfield JN, Coberly J, Cruess D. "Multiple-dose vials: persistence of bacterial contaminants and infection control implications." Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology.

Contrary to widespread belief, refrigeration of an opened vial of BAC Water is not best practice. Scientific evidence demonstrates that refrigeration paradoxically reduces the antimicrobial efficacy of the benzyl alcohol preservative. Storing an opened vial at controlled room temperature ensures the preservative remains maximally effective against any incidental microbial contamination, thereby providing a greater margin of safety throughout its 28-day use period.

I am not sure where the interpretation of those two papers comes from but I have read both and I would not agree.

Lehmann -
Refrigeration (5°C) significantly improved bactericidal activity across all four products. Kill rates were faster and more complete, with no regrowth detected, even for challenging organisms. For the benzyl alcohol-preserved cyanocobalamin, refrigeration reduced viable counts by >99.9% within 24 hours for most inocula, compared to partial survival at room temperature.

Longfield -
Refrigeration dramatically reduced persistence: viable counts dropped to undetectable levels within 24–72 hours in most cases, with no regrowth observed over the full 28-day period. The cold temperature synergized with the preservative, enhancing bactericidal effects.

• The study also reviewed prior outbreaks linked to MDVs, noting that many involved room-temperature storage post-opening, leading to transmission (e.g., Serratia sepsis from contaminated anesthetics).

 

[Chili777]

I am not sure where the interpretation of those two papers comes from but I have read both and I would not agree.

Lehmann -
Refrigeration (5°C) significantly improved bactericidal activity across all four products. Kill rates were faster and more complete, with no regrowth detected, even for challenging organisms. For the benzyl alcohol-preserved cyanocobalamin, refrigeration reduced viable counts by >99.9% within 24 hours for most inocula, compared to partial survival at room temperature.

Longfield -
Refrigeration dramatically reduced persistence: viable counts dropped to undetectable levels within 24–72 hours in most cases, with no regrowth observed over the full 28-day period. The cold temperature synergized with the preservative, enhancing bactericidal effects.

• The study also reviewed prior outbreaks linked to MDVs, noting that many involved room-temperature storage post-opening, leading to transmission (e.g., Serratia sepsis from contaminated anesthetics).

Very Interesting. I couldn't find those papers to read them thoroughly. Whenever I suggested storing BAC in the fridge, which makes sense on it's face, someone on Reddit would quote that to me. My guess is they interpreted it as they wanted to. I've learned something today. Thank you.

 

[GalloB73]

Something tells me that it doesn't really matter to you. Does it matter to others? Part of the point of the GLP-1 forum is harm reduction, so I expect that it matters to others. I would say that what really matter is that we should not answer the posts and questions of others with authority when we really don't know "if it matters" or not. Your answer to the OP was " BAC water does indeed go in the fridge'.

So maybe what really matter is: if you don't know the answer, and don't know if the answer even matters or not, keep silent.

The OP had a real question and deserved a real answer.

No harm or offense meant.

The answer should really be Hospira water should be stored between 20-25c and not refrigerated. This is not a universal recommendation for ALL BAC water. I got an extreme amount of heat for saying this on STG where they are Hospira fanatics and won’t entertain any discussion of any other BAC water.

The reason Pfizer have set a 20-25c temp range is because they have received reports that their formulation (only Hospira, not all BAC water) suffers from a reversible precipitation of the benzyl alcohol at low temperatures. This is completely reversed when the water comes to room temperature and does not affect the efficacy of the benzyl alcohol. But to avoid any risk of people injecting precipitate if not leaving it come to room temp, and the fact that stability for 28 days is supported by data at room temperature, it is much easier to put a notice saying keep at room temp for 28 days to avoid any risk of injecting precipitate. If you are going over 28 days, which nearly everyone does then refrigeration starts to make more sense as it will further reduce microbial growth as the risk of that growth starts to rise. Whether it actually makes any practical difference to actual infections I am not sure. It probably depends how meticulous you are when you recon, how many times you spike the vial, and a bit of luck, all mixed with how long you extend the 28 day period. For most MDVs you’d be expecting to stab it 20-30 times but for peptides it’s probably closer to 10 and that reduces the risk quite a bit. Personally I’ve kept BAC in the fridge with no signs of precipitation at any time, but I always allow it to come to room temperature before I reconstitute and thoroughly inspect it beforehand.

 

[byefatlicia]

I always allow it to come to room temperature before I reconstitute and thoroughly inspect it beforehand.

Like inspect it for signs of bacterial growth or inspect for signs of precipitation?

 

[GalloB73]

Very Interesting. I couldn't find those papers to read them thoroughly. Whenever I suggested storing BAC in the fridge, which makes sense on it's face, someone on Reddit would quote that to me. My guess is they interpreted it as they wanted to. I've learned something today. Thank you.

I understand, the same has happened to me on multiple occasions. The guys over on STG called me ignorant and uneducated when I dared suggest that Hospira once opened (and esp +28 days) could benefit from being stored in the fridge as long as it’s brought up to room temp and inspected for precipitation before using. I basically got taken down for having that opinion! So I don’t want the same here. Do what you feel comfortable with fridge or not.

 

[GalloB73]

Like inspect it for signs of bacterial growth or inspect for signs of precipitation?

Anything floating or any cloudiness when it’s been at room temp for 30 mins I would bin the vial.

 

[Chili777]

I have Hospira BAC water, unopened, and I have a supply of Chinese BAC water (0.9% alcohol). I just picked the highest rated BAC on Amazon. (Yes, I know, but I'm not dead yet.) I'd never even get in a discussion with those guys. I figured refrigerating it was the safe thing to do, especially for the Chinese BAC. I always check for any floaters or cloudiness. I warm it before recon, but I wouldn't say it's room temperature.