For those who don’t test

By my estimate more than half the supplements on Amazon US are not what they say they are, most have anything from 1/10 th to 2/3 rds of the listed components, based on pill sizes versus listed contents and the few independent tests that have been done, and some contain zero of the advertised ingredients and some are contaminated with adulterant drugs, especially viagra type ones.
Chinese peptides are surprisingly good by comparison.
 
I did one solo order bc I did not wait for a GB delivery. I did not solo test, I saw Jano COAs from the vendor + ppl in the group who did their own testing and felt OK w/ordering from them. No bad reactions, no weird recon, didn't get scammed and got my stuff less than 2 weeks during the shutdown (lol).

I'm now in GBs (testing included) waiting for them to come hopefully before the end of the year, but I have enough for the next year from just from one kit lol it's crazy I almost gave up my kidney for L**lyDirect (name brand).

I did the math, and realized I will probably never solo test and will opt for coughing up more money upfront w/sources out that "has 3P Jano COAs attached to batch" they're selling + a huge testing community/groups. I also found there are GBs that sell their leftovers (already tested) w/fast shipping (less than a week), obviously they won't have everything but it's better than nothing.
 
I don't test. Question for the Pro need to test people. If the compounds came from the USA or your own country and the manufacturing was done there also would you still test and worry so much?
yes...well maybe. Technically speaking china is more qualified and better suited at making pharmaceuticals. There are estimates as high as 80% of pharma drugs come from china. Thats one of the overlooked things, the US dependence on china for pharmaceutical. I likely would.

So ideally id want to test regardless. WITH THAT SAID...if the companies are US based and liability laws being what they are, a company wouldn't last long not providing bad product. SO if they were thoroughly tested and through a trusted source, I might actually not since I do think their is somewhat of a safety net knowing I could sue them into oblivion.
 
i’m just basing my argument off of what the owner of Jonishik suggested on a podcast and observations

I agree there have been concerning results I’ve seen on this forum a few times. I wonder how many thousands of times have things been tested where there are not concerning results?

Sure, it happens but what’s the actual incident rate here? 1%? 0.1%? some of these people on here order hundreds of kits at a time and test hundreds of vials at a time,

The argument I was making is from a statistical standpoint as an individual you are not likely to find anything concerning with a vial unless if you test large volumes, and I stand by that, the people who only test one or two vials for personal use are just simply statistically very unlikely to have anything concerning pop-up

At the end of the day, I’m not saying don’t do it, I’m just presenting a practical answer here if you have the money, you should do it
 
A fairly recent New Yorker article had a journalist ordering cold (without research, self education of any kind) from 3 peptide companies in the US. One was just scammers-the product never arrived. He tested the two vails that did arrive-one was full of unidentiable stuff with none of the advertised peptide, the other was pretty good. So 1/3 odds-not even as high as Meatloaf. And the US seems safer than China. Hoping that hanging around this forum for a bit will shorten my odds!
 
i do filter ''sometime''
but for the most part just go with the flow
fat is leaving the body
calorie are less than 2000 per day
the stuff is working
and i mostly buy from the same seller everytime
and bunch of ppl do the jano test from them
and 99,9% of the time its perfect
i like my odds
Same. The first couple of times I had a "Oh Boy, here we go..." thought but now I have found a couple of suppliers I trust and mainly use. Also, The amount of alcohol I drank before I got sober (11 years in July) was WAY worse for me then putting any peptide in my body...
 
Right, just like everything else these days everyone will yell at the top of their lungs about something bad but hardly ever talk about the good.
 
I bought mine, waited a month kept looking through the channels i found for information and waited for tests being published to the public with the right vendor and batch number. I have found bort endotoxin and content/strength and i have now started using it. There are also all these "group testing" where you could buy into the testing at a low price and someone else sends the stuff into testing and you basically pay to get the COA
 
Here is an interesting Peptide Critic Article highlighting some of the issues going on currently in the peptide world and highlighting why customer testing is important to do and maintain. Yes, Randy is extremely biased since he is paid by US vendors, but that doesn't mean the problems he talks about in the article are false or should be taken lightly.
 
Here is an interesting Peptide Critic Article highlighting some of the issues going on currently in the peptide world and highlighting why customer testing is important to do and maintain. Yes, Randy is extremely biased since he is paid by US vendors, but that doesn't mean the problems he talks about in the article are false or should be taken lightly.
Clicked the link, read the headline and was instantly hooked...

"Dammit Randy, There Are Pubes in the Peptides... Again" 😂

Good share mate, and an entertaining read!
 
I know the Peter Magic (Janoshik founder) podcast was referenced a few times on this thread, was it the one on Peptide of the week fairly recently?

From what I remember, Peter Magic didn't care about the whole endotoxin issue, because HGH used to be synthesized with ecoli (new info to me!) But now, there's ways to do it without. But, the past few months, he has seen crazy high amounts, and admitted he was wrong about endotoxins.

He didn't think heavy metals testing was important.

His story about a friend shipping him something phallic and getting questioned in customs gave me a good chuckle.

He mentioned getting a ton of little toy animals as a gift from a vendor, thinking it's that vendor that has an Axis that is grey? Also made me laugh.

But the end of the podcast kinda summed up the important part of testing (and his future expansion plans into quick harm reduction). This service is about harm reduction. Let's even go with overfill on vials. Most peptides, probably doesn't matter. Get a 2-3x overfill on smaller cjc/ipa vials though, that warm flush could get a more... severe anaphylactic-ish? Or, hormone sensitivity could be affected, yada yada.

The harm reduction and easy access to testing is what keeps vendors from doing what they did back in BBS and slightly later days. And I guess, kinda what some research chem vendors do now-ish. I'm all for it.

If I buy a 10 vial kit of T60 for $200 + 50 shipping (using higher than normal numbers here), and spend $350 on testing, thats still $66.67/60 mg vial. Still better than compounded. And if you buy on special, numbers get obviously better.

I'd actually be game to link up with another person or 2, get our orders synced up, and split the lab bill X amount of ways. Like a group buy, without the waiting and possibly easier to work with. Would involve a getting to know each other period, but yeah
 
If I buy a 10 vial kit of T60 for $200 + 50 shipping (using higher than normal numbers here), and spend $350 on testing, thats still $66.67/60 mg vial. Still better than compounded. And if you buy on special, numbers get obviously better.
Screw that. You need to check out GB, You said T60, and a couple GB that just closed sold Tirz for Lobster T60/kit $135 and another that closes tomorrow T100/kit for $164. All of them include testing and Endo testing.
 
I’ve snorted coke off the back of a dive bar toilet… Chinese peptides are surely less dangerous than the assorted concoctions I ingested in my twenties 😆

I think if you have the disposable income for testing it is a no brainer, does not reduce the risk to zero, but a lot. I think buying from random tiktok sellers likely has pretty high rates of no drug inside, there are papers showing this. But the sellers on here I think are less likely to do that as they will get found out fairly reliably. Getting no drug is not ideal, but getting the wrong one could be a serious problem, but I do not really see a good motivation for sellers to do this, if you want to rip customers off, just send nothing and keep the money, then send vials with no drug, sending the wrong ones makes the least sense.

I figure my risks of dying or serious illness from putting back on a pile of weight is at least 10-40% over the next decade, so risks from grey peptides causing similar levels of damage are at worst an order of magnitude or more likely 100 x lower or better than putting lots of weight back on, and I cannot afford the original versions. If taking them drops these risks by a factor of 2 to 5 then I am happy enough to accept those extra risks from grey peptides.

Getting very specific dose dependent side effects from tirz like tinnitus getting louder and patchy skin sensitivity from either reta or tirz makes it super easy to tell the drug is in the vial.
Ooh.. you mentioned the Tinnitus.. I actually am experiencing that a bit more @ 9 mg (Tirzepatide).
 
Screw that. You need to check out GB, You said T60, and a couple GB that just closed sold Tirz for Lobster T60/kit $135 and another that closes tomorrow T100/kit for $164. All of them include testing and Endo testing.
im pretty sure ive seen you in those groups.. before the picture change recently lol
 
I dont test. I can't justify sending one vial out and paying all the money. How do we know the other 9 vials in the kit are the same? I filter and hope for the best lol I usually take a small dose out of a new vial and give it 24 hours to see how I feel.
 
I am super new, am a little nervous/cautious and am pro-testing, even though the cost is a bit prohibitive since I’m still learning and have yet to figure out group testing/group buys. On here and STG, testing seems to be the norm, but on a few peptide Discords I’m on, some of the people are very cavalier about it and are surprised I’m going to fork out almost $700 to run a few tests before using. The biggest argument against testing I’ve seen is that You never know if the vial being tested (either in private or group tests) actually corresponds to/ reflects the vials you’ll use for research (I’ve heard a lot of people on either side of the testing fence say vendor batch numbers/cap colors are kind of useless). Others rely on vendor tests that have links to the testing site for verification and are fine with that.

If you don’t test, are these your reasons or do you have others? Have you ever had a bad or null reaction compared to what you were expecting to get? I’m not being judgy, I’m just curious!
I just appreciate you testers. Because I am using from a large supply in freezer, by the time I use it, it’s been months and anything bad would pop here, eg, when ERP allegedly had some endo issues and did have under dose SS-31 batch. So thanks again you all and hope everybody had a good weekend!
 
Picture change? You mean my avatar?
ya... your profile picture. wasnt it like some knight armor guy or something? looked kinda animated? maybe maybe not on the animation, could have just been a filter or something
 

Trending Topics

Forum Statistics

Threads
17,608
Posts
182,720
Members
59,240
Newest
Madtown99
Back
Top Bottom