Tonight will be eleven days since starting the GHK-cu and KPV. I am excited to begin epitalon. Interested in hearing other people’s experiences with dosing and time. Hoping it helps with my sleep. Post menopause my sleep sucks.
Gonna start Epithalon after ten days into GHK-cu & KPV.
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I ran Epithalon along with DSIP and Selank/Semax.
I initially started Epithalon on the wrong high-dose injection protocol and felt pretty rough. Once I realized the mistake (it was based on a different Russian protocol for another molecule), I scaled way back to 1 mg and switched to a nasal spray instead.
I also made DSIP into a spray and combined Selank and Semax into another spray. Since then, my sleep has improved a lot — my deep sleep has tripled and I’m staying asleep much better overall.
I’ve finished the Epithalon now and I’m on the tail end of the others.
Overall, this has been a huge success for me, and it’s been a really nice break using intranasal instead of nightly injections.
This is my sleep last night..... I haven't slept like this in 40 years.
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WOW! That is some good deep sleep. I’m lucky if I get an hour. So you do it as a nasal spray? Mind sharing the way you do this? I am not looking forward to more shots tbh.
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I did a 20-day Epitalon cycle first, and followed that up with 20 days on Semax, then 20 days on NA Selank, all via IN. I just slept 9 hours AFTER I bumped to 10 mg of Reta on Friday. I have never had a sleep like that the day after a Reta bump, ever. I respond really well to all these peptides and I'm going to keep them all in my rotation. If I start posting in Russian, it won't be my fault though. 😉
No problem..... When I get back to my computer I'll send what I mixed.
And yes.... All 4 as nasal sprays. Easy peasy
A month ago, I decided to give Epitalon a trial run and ran it for about 20 days just to see how it felt. I recently ordered a second kit that's on its way to stock my freezer for future cycles.I was primarily interested in its potential for telomere extension and the anti-aging benefits tied to telomerase activation. That said, I noticed a pretty noticeable shift in my overall demeanor even my wife picked up on it and mentioned that something had changed about me. My attitude calmed down significantly; I felt much more relaxed and even-keeled in general, with less of the usual edge or reactivity. It wasn't dramatic or anything forced, just a genuine sense of inner calm that carried over into daily life.
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Chopper
GLP-1 Apprentice
I am also very interested in how you did your nasal spray!
Epitalon / Epithalon / C₁₄H₂₂N₄O₉ (same damn peptide, different spelling lol). First night: vivid dreams, I’m the only one on the Titanic who knows we’re about to become fish food.
Second night: surprise boner cameo, like my quack decided it was starring in its own infomercial. Telomeres might be lengthening, but something else sure woke up fast. Anyone else get the iceberg prophecy or the random priapism subplot on night one?
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OK...So for Epithalon, I wanted a 1mg dose. So I mixed 5ml of sterile water (not bac) with 50mg of Epithalon and put it in a sterile snoot sprayer. The spray is 0.1ml/pump and that equals the 1mg dose. So one spray.
For DSIP: I wanted a 150mcg and a 300mcg dose. So I mixed 5mg DSIP with 3.33ml sterile water and now each spray (0.1ml) = 150mcg. So I can either do one spray for 150mcg or 2 sprays for 300mcg.
For Selank/Semax: I wanted a 250mcg and a 500mcg dose. So I mixed 10mg Selank and 10mg of Semax with 4ml sterile water. Now each spray is 250mcg.
That screenshot is making me drool; this is what I want my graph to look like. Are you using anything else other than the peptides? Magnesium, theanine, melatonin, etc? Or are you getting these results with just this stack?
Just this stack.
I do take progesterone, but that's nothing new.
It's been really amazing. If I look back bf..... I was averaging about 45 minutes of deep sleep a night. This is a bf screenshot that is pretty indicative of what that looked like.
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Sara360
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I work in the sleep apnea space and wear an Apple Watch and Oura ring. I look at where I’m at every morning (almost). I found a big difference after taking Epithalon. I have Semax which I have to revisit (had anxiety which might not have been related) and currently using Selank. But the Epithalon alone was enough to continue (in 6 mos)
FilterOrDeath
GLP-1 Apprentice
What dosage did you run, 1mg for the 20 days? When I try it I definitely want that Titanic dream!
I started on 1mg to test the waters for about a week. Then jumped to 2mg and then the vivid dreams kicked in that night. It was SO VIVID I woke up shocked about it lol... the dreams only lasted for about 2 nights (bummer) on that dose but they were VERY impressionable. Let me know how it works for you...
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Did y’all do the nasal or injections? I have put it off trying to decide.
Bioavailability & DeliveryNasal (Intranasal):
Semax is designed for this route in most clinical contexts. It provides direct access to the brain via the olfactory pathway and trigeminal nerves, bypassing much of the blood-brain barrier (BBB) for faster central nervous system (CNS) effects. Bioavailability is estimated around 30-40% (some sources cite ~34%). Onset is quick (often 15-30 minutes), with effects peaking rapidly but potentially shorter duration.
Injection (SubQ or IM): Higher systemic bioavailability (closer to 100% since it enters the bloodstream directly). It distributes more broadly throughout the body before reaching the brain, which can mean slightly slower or more sustained CNS effects in some cases. Studies show injections (e.g., intraperitoneal in animals) can produce strong systemic effects like dopamine/serotonin modulation.
I found this on line for you.
I just realized my light dizziness is from a beginning sinus infection. It's been years and I forgot what it felt like. I'm assuming it's because I didn't filter my Epitalon or Semax before using it in my nasal sprays, before running them back to back. I did filter the Selank. I'm another vote for filtering, especially for nasal sprays were you are directly exposing your sinuses to whatever else is in there!
I myself even boiled my glass bottles on top of filtering it. good luck my friend.
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Occindemure
GLP-1 Apprentice
I have been running 500mch Epitalon, and I "believe" it has helped both my sleep and my mood a bit.
Considering jumping to 1MG, and extending my run an extra 10 days, when this bottle dries up.
Considering jumping to 1MG, and extending my run an extra 10 days, when this bottle dries up.
I wash them in alcohol, but that's what I get for being in a big damn hurry.
Do you feel that 90% iso spray will be fine vs boiling? Going to start some Epitalon next week.
I spray them inside and out, dry them and rinse with sterile saline. What I didn't do was filter the peptide first because my filters were delayed. I think that is equally important. I think going back to back with Epitalon, Semax and Selank is probably what did it, and you breathe in crap everyday that's probably as bad as anything you'll find in a vial. Sinus microbial defenses are pretty robust, if they aren't abused.
FarmgirlRebel
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yeah, my first run on Epithalon was at that high dose Russian protocol...Thankfully my body didn't mind it...but after the first nights weird dream where I was James Bond...slept like a baby. Other than that, Epithalon seems to be one of those background peptides, not a lot of fireworks, but downstream benefits.
And this just gave me an excuse to recon a couple vials of TA-1 to help fight the infection. Filtered, of course. The research continues!
redhead
GLP-1 Apprentice
What app or how do you track this? I need to figure out. I feel like I’m watching me sleep lightly. That’s how light my sleep is that I’m aware off my light sleep. 👀
I felt pretty terrible on the big dose.
My smart watch w/da fit app
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