Gray BUD

[ilateapex]

I am finishing up my compound TR and trying to place my order for G. I have about 3 vials of Compound to use up first with BUD dates early 2027. I am debating between T30 and T60. I am currently on a 4.5mg dose and moving up slowly. I have searched and read about the 60 vs. 30 debate but have seen no clear conciseness. I would be pining a 60 longer than a 30 but could filter into two 30mg vials to help with that.

So the question is, what would be an equivalent BUD for G? I am not hung up on BUD but looking for shelf life of reconstituted TR kept in the fridge. Thoughts on the 60 vs. 30 debate?

 

[birdwhacker]

Good lord that was hard to read. No need for all of the acronyms.

The problem with gray is that it's not sterile. Most visls have bacteria unless you filter.

Even then, using proper bacteriostatic water (hospira), I don't think you'll find anyone who says oess than sixty days and I think most people would be comfortable with ninety in a pinch.

Our own Jano from Janoshik Labs says that grey vials are fine to use for 28 days when reconned with sterile water for injection, so you can definitely go longer on BAC.

 

[ilateapex]

Sorry about that. It got kicked by the moderator bot for something I said so I changed it a little.

I do plan to filter.

 

[Grogu]

The problem with gray is that it's not sterile. Most visls have bacteria unless you filter.

I'm not sure if we know that most vials are not sterile. The reality is that we just don't do enough sterility testing to make blanket statements. Yes, there have been some recent kits that have failed sterility, but that doesn't mean that most all vials have bacteria. I have plenty of COAs reflecting passed sterility on the kits I have purchased. I think filtering is the default because we don't test enough.

Our own Jano from Janoshik Labs says that grey vials are fine to use for 28 days when reconned with sterile water for injection, so you can definitely go longer on BAC.

Are you really sure Peter said this? I wouldn't think that anything reconstituted with sterile water is good for 28 days. I would never reconstitute with sterile water, so I have no horse in the race.

 

[birdwhacker]

I'm not sure if we know that most vials are not sterile.

Put it this way then, they're certainly not sterile once you fill them with air from your kitchen lol.

Good information though. Some vials are sterile. Perhaps even most. Regardless the vast majority of peptide users aren't filtering and aren't getting major bacterial infections, and they've certainly blasted vials that aren't sterile.

Are you really sure Peter said this?

View: https://youtu.be/r5C93GqXTUo?si=W-K5-TUnQK4P4ejJ


This is the fella?

 

[Grogu]

So the question is, what would be an equivalent BUD for G? I am not hung up on BUD but looking for shelf life of reconstituted TR kept in the fridge. Thoughts on the 60 vs. 30 debate?

There is not going to be a clear and "correct" answer to how long it's good for in the fridge. A lot depends on your risk tolerance. Always check that the vials is clear and no floaters before you inject and you should be good for 60+ days if you use high quality bac and keep the vial refrigerated. As far as 30mg vials or 60mg vials, since you're keeping it low, why not buy a kit of each. Use the 30mg kits while you're titrating up and then the 60mg kits when you're at a higher dose.

 

[ilateapex]

I thought about buying a kit of each but then would have to do separate testing (or at least separate group tests). I have an order for 4 T30 kits but they are out of stock and could get T60 kits now. I am not in a hurry so I think I will just wait for the restock and then find a group test for the new batch.

I am not a heavy user, just Triz once a week. Do most with this low usage just reconstitute a single vial at a time and just do it every month or two?

 

[Beardboost]

Got excited, thought someone had a source for that good green with that title 😂

 

[Grogu]

Got excited, thought someone had a source for that good green with that title 😂

I thought it was a new peptide I missed. Grumplutide.... A stubborn GLP-1 receptor agonist that works... eventually... when it feels like it. Half-life: unpredictable. Mechanism of action: complicated. Side effects include mild irritability in the peptide itself.

 

[Grogu]

I thought about buying a kit of each but then would have to do separate testing (or at least separate group tests). I have an order for 4 T30 kits but they are out of stock and could get T60 kits now. I am not in a hurry so I think I will just wait for the restock and then find a group test for the new batch.

I am not a heavy user, just Triz once a week. Do most with this low usage just reconstitute a single vial at a time and just do it every month or two?

Buying multi-kits is a very good strategy. I wish I had done more of that when I first started. My last two buys were six kits of tirzepatide and five kits of Cagri.

 

[Grogu]

This is the fella?

Yeah, that's him. I think in Europe it's hard to source bac water for some reason.

I'd personally need something from an authoritive source (i.e. the USP) before I'd start using sterile water to reconstitute, never mind use the vial for 28 days. But that's just me, no offense to what Peter says.

 

[BNLFL]

Got excited, thought someone had a source for that good green with that title 😂

I'm still lost.

I thought it was a new peptide I missed. Grumplutide.... A stubborn GLP-1 receptor agonist that works... eventually... when it feels like it. Half-life: unpredictable. Mechanism of action: complicated. Side effects include mild irritability in the peptide itself.

Sounds like my wife.

 

[birdwhacker]

I'd personally need something from an authoritive source (i.e. the USP) before I'd start using sterile water to reconstitute, never mind use the vial for 28 days. But that's just me, no offense to what Peter says.

That's entirely fair, though I would seriously question why you wouldn't feel comfortable using sterile water if you were planning to use the product within 3-5 days.

 

[Grogu]

That's entirely fair, though I would seriously question why you wouldn't feel comfortable using sterile water if you were planning to use the product within 3-5 days.

That's an entirely different thing. OP was asking about how long they can safely keep an open vial. But, I'd be 100% comfortable using a vial reconstituted with sterile water if I used it in the timeframe you mention. Two different things.

 

[birdwhacker]

That's an entirely different thing.

Oh okay, misunderstood your wording here:

"I'd personally need something from an authoritive source (i.e. the USP) before I'd start using sterile water to reconstitute, never mind use the vial for 28 days. But that's just me, no offense to what Peter says."

All this talk of sterile water makes me want to get some to use on bottles that are gonna be gone in a week LOL. But yeah, it's possible Peter was out of his element there. I've seen guys inject IV using tap water filtered through a cigarette butt, so I'm just not that worried about getting an infection from peptides. If it happens I'll just go get some antibiotics and come back here to share the learning experience lol.

 

[DrPEPr]

step 1/. Make your own bac. Pay pennies per ml
step 2/. Pour 95% down the drain
step 3/. Laugh about all the bac drama