Gray market crackdown ?

For me it's not just the pricing on GLP-1s that drive me to gray. Don't get me wrong, I prefer this pricing over the Lilly direct pricing or the compounded sema pricing I was getting before. It is the wide variety of peps I can try with gray. If compounding had access to all the peps, the pricing would be so high, no one could afford the stacks we are seeing out there. I'm currently doing Reta, HGH, MOTS-C, NAD+, Semax, Selank and occasionally PT-141. Have experimented with CJC/Ipa, Tesa, DSIP, SS-31, and now eying TA-1, Epitalon, BPC, TB500, KPV, VIP. Imagine how much these would cost if Pharma had their way or even compounding. Tesa a compounding pharmacies is $500-1,500 per month.
 
Habibibi said:
Only 1 vendor is making eloralintide do far, so that makes sense. R30 for 300 last year wasn't unheard of, and T30 for 300 2-3 years ago was the norm.
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Of course, for most, it is not worth it financially to take elora by itself. Over $1600 to do that per year at 9 mg per week. Easily 5x the cost of the max dose of reta.
 
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Calm Logic said:
And Eli Lilly isn't the only one marking up. Grey-market elora is $3.50 a mg ($350 from Uther for 10-mg kit). Elora is harder to make and test, but grey tirz is about one-tenth the price.
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Where is he selling it? I don't see Elora on his price list from 5/9. I was told it wouldn't be sold until Jano and others could test it properly.
 
According to someone on Peppy's, elora may not be even that expensive to produce, since the API manufactures work on relatively hard stuff all the time, beyond our peptide grey world.
 
Chili777 said:
Where is he selling it? I don't see Elora on his price list from 5/9. I was told it wouldn't be sold until Jano and others could test it properly.
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I asked Maxwell if the test results were back from Jano for elora and he sent me the list of all the test results for the last two years, but I don't see elora on the list... 🤔 He basically ignored my question.

My understanding is that Peter ordered the equipment needed to test elora about 6+ months ago and he also said that there are other ways to test the structure. He called it digestion. I'm sure he wasn't talking about eating it 🤣
 
Grogu said:
I asked Maxwell if the test results were back from Jano for elora and he sent me the list of all the test results for the last two years, but I don't see elora on the list... 🤔 He basically ignored my question.

My understanding is that Peter ordered the equipment needed to test elora about 6+ months ago and he also said that there are other ways to test the structure. He called it digestion. I'm sure he wasn't talking about eating it 🤣
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Based on what he said last month, it should arrive next month. But we know how that goes sometimes.
 
UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:
Dude I feel this in my soul. Insurance is a nightmare, and I say that as someone who works in healthcare. I have had so many issues like the one you’re describing where I have proof that something was approved by the insurance company in my literal actual hand only for them to come back later and recoup. It’s terrible.
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It may not work for everything, but if it ever comes up again, do try reporting them to your state's department of insurance (or whoever keeps tabs on them). I kid you not, I got a call at 9am on a Sat not from my insurance co, not from the co that owns them, but from the co that owns them. "heeeey, bestie, why did you report us to the state board of insurance? bestie, it was just a misunderstanding, of course we're going to honor that approval! idk even know how the wires got crossed!"

I told them I wanted it in writing both to me and to the state. I then spoke to the case worker w/the state and he said, "oh for sure they'll follow through, we take this very seriously. and if they don't you just call me back, here's my direct line." I didn't not expect that kind of service from a governmental agency.
 
Gt3294a said:
Yeah, and I have to pay insurance totally out of pocket for my family. And I have stuff like acne medicine rejected for my daughter. And even if they do pay, some times it is like 2/3 of the price of a brand name. So it isn’t just GLP. Now here is the crazy thing, one can get prescription stuff from other countries in the mail often cheaper than buying through insurance in the US. It’s all very pathetic.
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One of my many hats is as an esthetician and I get my retin A, etc. from another country bc of the hoops you have to just through here and most importantly the cost.
 
fetefille said:
It may not work for everything, but if it ever comes up again, do try reporting them to your state's department of insurance (or whoever keeps tabs on them). I kid you not, I got a call at 9am on a Sat not from my insurance co, not from the co that owns them, but from the co that owns them. "heeeey, bestie, why did you report us to the state board of insurance? bestie, it was just a misunderstanding, of course we're going to honor that approval! idk even know how the wires got crossed!"

I told them I wanted it in writing both to me and to the state. I then spoke to the case worker w/the state and he said, "oh for sure they'll follow through, we take this very seriously. and if they don't you just call me back, here's my direct line." I didn't not expect that kind of service from a governmental agency.
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Wow! That’s wild! I had absolutely no idea you could do that and it would work. Genuinely, thank you for this information ❤️
 
Grogu said:
I asked Maxwell if the test results were back from Jano for elora and he sent me the list of all the test results for the last two years, but I don't see elora on the list...
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COA posted on Peppys.
Poster there says their order will be delivered this week.
 
RetCurious said:
COA posted on Peppys.
Poster there says their order will be delivered this week.
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There is also a discussion about how to determine if the structure of Elora is correct because of the cyclic ring. That is still open for debate and the COA only shows M/P, not how much of the peptide is the correct structure vs incorrect structure. I'm waiting for the debate to be settled and I'm fine not being first.
 
Back in April (?) 2024 I stocked up because of all the nukes and Peter disappearing. I am still working on supplies from 2023. And I which I had not stocked up. I paid 50 a vial for T30 which at the time was a good price.
Definitely was not the way to go.
 
GLiPtest said:
Let’s start with the fact neither Wegovy or Zepbound are “$1500+ a month”. You’re grossly exaggerating the most expensive self pay option by 300%+. You’re clearly not paying attention. By next year the most expensive self pay option will be even less, at $249 (for the highest doses), and in a few months Medicare will soon cover it so everyone 62+ will have easy access.
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I'd like to see where you got this information from as with the current Sec of HHS, RFK Jr, pharmaceuticals are not anything he supports. Same with his co-conspirator, Dr Oz.
 
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