"HCG monotherapy" – I tried it so you didn't have to!

[birdwhacker]

Started at 200IU IM ED. Went to 400iu EOD.

27yo male

Balls got a little bigger. More morning erections. Better daytime energy. Some mild acne to begin with. A bit more fluid production.

Then a week later the benefits became hard to distinguish so I stopped.

My dad, 54 year old male, was also on and I took him off. He got more acne than me, presumably because he's fatter and aromatized more estrogen and potentially gained more test since his natural levels were lower. He has the same thing happen, better energy, some acne, and then went right back to square one.

Just doesn't seem worth it to mess with your hormones like this with HCG unless you're using it for fertility purposes or with a cycle of SARMs or exogenous test.

If you want to boost your test, HCG isn't gonna do it.

 

[wildweasel]

Started at 200IU IM ED. Went to 400iu EOD.

27yo male

Balls got a little bigger. More morning erections. Better daytime energy. Some mild acne to begin with. A bit more fluid production.

Then a week later the benefits became hard to distinguish so I stopped.

My dad, 54 year old male, was also on and I took him off. He got more acne than me, presumably because he's fatter and aromatized more estrogen and potentially gained more test since his natural levels were lower. He has the same thing happen, better energy, some acne, and then went right back to square one.

Just doesn't seem worth it to mess with your hormones like this with HCG unless you're using it for fertility purposes or with a cycle of SARMs or exogenous test.

If you want to boost your test, HCG isn't gonna do it.

Did you actually measure your testostetone or are you going by your vibes and feels?

its one of the few peptides with medical literature showing its effectiveness in raising testosterone and is actually prescribed to treat low t by doctors.

HCG 250iu eod increased my total t by 65%. Adding enclo on top of it took me to 1200 total t, low super physiological levels

it does indeed increase peoples test lol, you made a kind of wild assumption here after 1 week without anything to back up your claim except how you felt about your ball size

 

[birdwhacker]

Did you actually measure your testostetone or are you going by your vibes? 250iu eod increased my total t by 65%. Adding enclo on top of it took me to 1200 total t, low super physiological levels

I didn't test shit, obviously would have mentioned it if I did 🤣

And yeah, I know enclo+HCG can have a real effect.

Are you at a healthy weight? How did you feel on just HCG? How was your E2? How long were you on HCG alone and how far away from that are you now?

 

[CNCCurrency]

Started at 200IU IM ED. Went to 400iu EOD.

27yo male

Balls got a little bigger. More morning erections. Better daytime energy. Some mild acne to begin with. A bit more fluid production.

Then a week later the benefits became hard to distinguish so I stopped.

My dad, 54 year old male, was also on and I took him off. He got more acne than me, presumably because he's fatter and aromatized more estrogen and potentially gained more test since his natural levels were lower. He has the same thing happen, better energy, some acne, and then went right back to square one.

Just doesn't seem worth it to mess with your hormones like this with HCG unless you're using it for fertility purposes or with a cycle of SARMs or exogenous test.

If you want to boost your test, HCG isn't gonna do it.

Are you taking to offset the ball shrinkage from test?

 

[birdwhacker]

Are you taking to offset the ball shrinkage from test?

No, look at the title. Monotherapy.

I'm on reta, KPV, BPC, bronchogen, tdalafil, and a handul of vitamins. Nothing else.

I wanted to try HCG because I feel like my balls aren't working as well as they should be. If I'm being honest, basically nothing comes out when I blow a load, for the last like 3 years. And reta sort of tanked my libido as well.

HCG did help a little in both regards. Got more morning erections and more pearly white.

I do plan to get bloods done next month and start attacking things from a better angle.

 

[CNCCurrency]

No, look at the title. Monotherapy.

I'm on reta, KPV, BPC, bronchogen, tdalafil, and a handul of vitamins. Nothing else.

I wanted to try HCG because I feel like my balls aren't working as well as they should be. If I'm being honest, basically nothing comes out when I blow a load, for the last like 3 years. And reta sort of tanked my libido as well.

HCG did help a little in both regards. Got more morning erections and more pearly white.

I do plan to get bloods done next month and start attacking things from a better angle.

You have to spell shit out for me, I thought I read that you were getting therapy for mono. So

 

[birdwhacker]

You have to spell shit out for me, I thought I read that you were getting therapy for mono. So

CNC I worry about you sometimes. Have you hit your head recently? I have some cerebrolysin on the way, I'm gonna let you know how it goes okay 😆

 

[Calm Logic]

Did you actually measure your testostetone or are you going by your vibes and feels?

its one of the few peptides with medical literature showing its effectiveness in raising testosterone and is actually prescribed to treat low t by doctors.

HCG 250iu eod increased my total t by 65%. Adding enclo on top of it took me to 1200 total t, low super physiological levels

it does indeed increase peoples test lol, you made a kind of wild assumption here after 1 week without anything to back up your claim except how you felt about your ball size

And HCG itself can be neuroprotective:

• Emerging clinical and in-vitro data suggest that HCG can exert direct neuroprotective and neuroregenerative effects independent of testosterone. It has been shown to promote the survival of neurons and aid in the regeneration of damaged peripheral nerves.
  
  
• If the neuropathy responds to HCG, it may partially be due to this direct receptor signaling rather than just the androgen bump.

OTOH, may be a double-edged sword at high doses:

The dual face of human chorionic gonadotropin in the CNS: neuroprotection, signaling, and possible pathological effects

The presence of hCG receptors in the central nervous system (CNS) supports the hypothesis that this hormone has direct regulatory functions in brain physiology. However, dysregulated hCG levels—whether excessive or deficient—have been implicated in neurological disorders, neuroinflammation, and cognitive dysfunction, necessitating further exploration of its neurobiological significance.

 

[jordekorn]

Men and their balls…🤷‍♀️

 

[birdwhacker]

Men and their balls…🤷‍♀️

enters thread about gonadotropin
complains that balls are mentioned

 

[SeaGypsy]

While I don't have balls of my own I do own a pair that are conveniently attached to the hubs. I like to research all of these topics in case he ever has issues or wants to try improving anything. I am kinda his information central

 

[jordekorn]

Surprise? No no. Amused and sort of fascinated by how interested and driven men are by their balls. Sometimes I feel bad for men that they think their balls are so important, I imagine ya’ll comparing balls at the gym maybe? A sign of manliness you shouldn’t have to worry about, women really do the heavy lifting when it comes to having babies anyway. Not having anything coming out is quite unsettling though I imagine.

 

[birdwhacker]

Surprise? No no. Amused and sort of fascinated by how interested and driven men are by their balls. Sometimes I feel bad for men that they think their balls are so important, I imagine ya’ll comparing balls at the gym maybe? A sign of manliness you shouldn’t have to worry about, women really do the heavy lifting when it comes to having babies anyway. Not having anything coming out is quite unsettling though I imagine.

Weird thing to say in a thread discussing a drug whose primary use is male sexual health via stimulation of the gonads. Not really sure what your angle is here. I'm sorry if your dad was hard on you, but you don't have to take it out on random men to get the world back for not respecting your womanhood.

 

[jordekorn]

Weird thing to say in a thread discussing a drug whose primary use is male sexual health via stimulation of the gonads. Not really sure what your angle is here. I'm sorry if your dad was hard on you, but you don't have to take it out on random men to get the world back for not respecting your womanhood.

no need to be defensive

 

[birdwhacker]

no need to be defensive

When you go out of your way to be offensive, don't be surprised when people are defensive.

 

[aepower2016]

No, look at the title. Monotherapy.

I'm on reta, KPV, BPC, bronchogen, tdalafil, and a handul of vitamins. Nothing else.

I wanted to try HCG because I feel like my balls aren't working as well as they should be. If I'm being honest, basically nothing comes out when I blow a load, for the last like 3 years. And reta sort of tanked my libido as well.

HCG did help a little in both regards. Got more morning erections and more pearly white.

I do plan to get bloods done next month and start attacking things from a better angle.

Have you looked into a potential c*m stack? Before hopping on peps I played around with a stack of vitamin and supps and it absolutely did wonders 😅

 

[birdwhacker]

Have you looked into a potential c*m stack? Before hopping on peps I played around with a stack of vitamin and supps and it absolutely did wonders 😅

Lol I have, but truth be told I don't think I need it.

I found out it was retrograde ejaculation from masturbating while lying down. How embarassing!

 

[aepower2016]

Lol I have, but truth be told I don't think I need it.

I found out it was retrograde ejaculation from masturbating while lying down. How embarassing!

🤣🤣 We live and we learn. No shame!

 

[Calm Logic]

HCG 250iu eod increased my total t by 65%. Adding enclo on top of it took me to 1200 total t, low super physiological levels

Similarly:

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin monotherapy for the treatment of hypogonadal symptoms in men with total testosterone > 300 ng/dL



https://www.thinksteroids.com/commu...y-help-for-first-timer.134429545/post-3478171

Why not try hCG monotherapy at first? You're a good candidate. Much better to let the body do most of its own work in this case. Also, I personally feel 200mg/week [of testosterone] is way too high starting out. The body normally produces 6-8mg of Test per day...

View: https://youtu.be/EhP5RvXBi7s?si=rgcu8OKK0E9eedLy


For enclo by itself:

Testosterone restoration using enclomiphene citrate in men with secondary hypogonadism: a pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic study

After 6 weeks of continuous use, the mean (sd) concentration of total testosterone at day 42 was 604 (160) ng/dL for men taking the highest dose of enclomiphene citrate (enclomiphene citrate, 25 mg daily) and 500 (278) ng in those men treated with transdermal testosterone.

Enclomiphene citrate consistently increased serum total testosterone into the normal range and increased LH and FSH above the normal range. The effects on LH and total testosterone persisted for at least 1 week after stopping treatment.

 

[5byfive]

I do plan to get bloods done next month and start attacking things from a better angle.

This is the answer. I think its one of the most important and overlooked things in health care/optimization. Insurance often doesn't cover a real workup so most doctors don't bother with it. Fortunately, there are a lot of companies out there now offering affordable options.

I'm doing bloodwork at least every 4 months right now trying to get stuff dialed in. There is a lot more to it than I realized when I started. There are a ton different variables that all interact with each other.

There are a lot of things that could be causing you issues. Without having a baseline to work off of its all guess work and you could inadvertently make things worse. Sounds like you have figured that out and I'll be interested to see the results.

 

[birdwhacker]

Similarly:

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin monotherapy for the treatment of hypogonadal symptoms in men with total testosterone > 300 ng/dL

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https://www.thinksteroids.com/commu...y-help-for-first-timer.134429545/post-3478171

Not sure about the point of the thread you linked.

50% of patients self-reporting improvements isn't a big deal, not to mention that improvements might be more marked early on before aromatization catches up.

There's a reason that HCG is rarely considered in a vacuum outside of fertility treatments. It's much better at boosting estrogen than it is at boosting testosterone. It creates intratesticular testosterone which is available for aromatization.

I'm not saying that it can't be used as a therapy; I'm trying to tell the average user, browsing this forum looking for the quick peptide fix to make them motivated again like they were in their twenties, that they should look elsewhere.

Testosterone injections are the safest and most efficacious way to boost testosterone. If fertility is a major concern, then look elsewhere – but thanks to ancillaries like HCG, fertility isn't the concern that it once was and users of exogenous test ate able to concieve without even hopping off.

HCG is useful but it isn't what most of us are looking for.

 

[birdwhacker]

There are a lot of things that could be causing you issues. Without having a baseline to work off of its all guess work and you could inadvertently make things worse. Sounds like you have figured that out and I'll be interested to see the results.

Yep, this is absolutely it. Hormones always struck me as too complicated, but now between cheap blood work and AI to educate, there's really no excuse not to take control of things.

I'll definitely be making more threads in this subcategory as I figure stuff out.

However, I do stand by what I said here: HCG monotherapy is not the answer for men who want to boost their testosterone but are hesitant toward TRT. If you're going to do bloods and put in the work, fine, but for those like me who want a quick fix injection, this isn't it and you're better off with boron in the morning and zinc at night.