HOSPIRA changes in availability

[peptideusername]

one of the places I order from is still $6 a vial. I just ordered 10. I know we all love Hospira but if it goes away there is other legitimate bac water. We are all acting like anything else is straight from the toilet bowl.

Where else can you find pharmacy grade bacteriostatic water that isn't Pfizer hospira?

 

[AKC97]

I just ordered a box 😄

MEDEX $220ish today 😔

 

[jasonlovespeptides]

Where else can you find pharmacy grade bacteriostatic water that isn't Pfizer hospira?

I think it’s hilarious that if it goes away completely folks are just going to say “oh that’s it I guess” no more meds for me!

 

[zpped]

I think it’s hilarious that if it goes away completely folks are just going to say “oh that’s it I guess” no more meds for me!

I think its funny that you straw manned and side stepped that question at the same time.

 

[jasonlovespeptides]

I think its funny that you straw manned and side stepped that question at the same time.

I’m not here to explain myself to the likes of rando forum posters who I don’t give two flying f—ks about. How’s that?

 

[jasonlovespeptides]

Where else can you find pharmacy grade bacteriostatic water that isn't Pfizer hospira?

Maybe I don’t give two shits if it’s pharmacy grade as long as it’s sterile and works? But by all means if folks just want to stop reconstituting, give up on their meds and gain all their weight back and other ailments go ahead

 

[Calm Logic]

The crazy thing to me is the Hospira saline BAC is the same low price as before, so relatively few must be buying it, even now. It's not for all peptides but is arguably ideal (comfort-wise) for some applications like GLP-1s.

The cost for Hospira saline BAC is only $3.40 per 30mL bottle at AmscoMedical.com.

 

[zpped]

I’m not here to explain myself to the likes of rando forum posters who I don’t give two flying f—ks about. How’s that?

So you're just here to put words in people's mouth and yell at them? Sounds fun.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I imagine if there becomes significant demand for BAC water and customers make it clear they'll pay for good stuff and not the shitty stuff, the Chinese sources will be able to deliver quality product.

Right now there's just not any pressure for them to do it. But the whole "making peptides and lyophilizing them" thing is way harder than sterilizing, adding BA to, and adjusting the pH of water.

It’s harder to make than it would seem. I’ve had to throw out 30 qsc bac waters because of white crap floating around in it, and a bunch of XCE bac water because it was very acidic (apparently they washed the plugs in acid to sterilize them and ooopsie doopsie it got in the finished product). It’s these types of issues that led everyone to start using Hospira.

 

[nurseratchit]

If key supplies like bacteriostatic water become unavailable, or just significantly harder to get, it would be very unfortunate. Newcomers already have a lot to learn, imagine them needing to get a pressure canner and learn sterile techniques for making BAC on top of everything else. And while making safe BAC does seem practical, it is still an added risk.

I just ordered a case from AMSCO. The extra expense sucks but even so, this lifestyle is still a crazy deal.

You make a good point. Even at 250/case, that case will last most people for several years. Some of us were spending more than that monthly when we started with compounded glp1s.

 

[arborealtrout]

… Starting July 2025, Pfizer is requiring that either a DEA License or an NPI Number be on file for any distributor to fulfill orders of their products…

Well, I can certainly supply either an NPI or one of several DEA numbers. However, I suspect what’ll happen is that most sellers will just quit trying to carry the stuff. Before long only the big medical supply places, which have huge markups and want to sell you an entire pallet, will be selling it.

 

[arborealtrout]

I guess the bigger point is NPI numbers aren't that hard to come by

Really? How’d you get yours?

Using someone else’s NPI is seriously illegal. Depending on the circumstances, that could lead to federal prison time.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

I'm still working through a few vials of Hospira that expired in Sept 2023, and then I have a bunch that expired in 2024 to go through. It could easily be a year or more before I use an unexpired vial (which I don't actually own any atm lol).

Even though I really don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the stuff, I suspect a lot of it can be attributed to people panic buying and hoarding the stuff whenever there's a minor interruption in availability. I looked around last night and there are still a lot of places selling individual vials of Hospira in the $12-$15/vial range which while a little steep is still easier on the wallet than buying a case of 25 at top dollar in a panic IMHO.

 

[Calm Logic]

Really? How’d you get yours?

Using someone else’s NPI is seriously illegal. Depending on the circumstances, that could lead to federal prison time.

Even without a license, you can get a NPI on your own as a LLC, but I don't know the finer points and legal details. (Like I don't know if a caregiving company could get one, but I assume so. And there is the paperwork involved, so it would likely only be practical for someone who happens to have such a business.)

 

[penewbie]

Where else can you find pharmacy grade bacteriostatic water that isn't Pfizer hospira?

There's European pharmas making bac, like baxter.

But it's extremely scarce for the non medical consumer.

 

[indolent]

I haven't found any good reference to a governmental legal requirement for prescription for bac water (USA/state/county). And it would surprise me if the requirement were stricter in Canada or anywhere in Europe. So have the troubles just been from the manufacturer all along, and being worsened (for) now?

And Rx would be silly for what is just water plus the ingredient they add to industrial/rubbing alcohol (to "denature" it so that it's no fun at parties).

Or am I wrong about Rx and The Law?

 

[tncc_rn]

So, this may be the real reason for all the price gouging. From Pfizer's website.

Manufacturing delay

 

[rkl123]

I predicted in another thread several months ago they would attempt to indirectly stunt the gray market through BAC, one of our main weaknesses.

Next prediction: they will win against legit BAC. But we’ll still be in the game. How? The Chinese will get reasonably good at BAC like PGB has. It’ll be enforced with a ton of testing by PTDS and others. It’ll cost in the realm of 5$ a vial after shipping etc.