HOSPIRA changes in availability

[swetmo]

Well, medex supply is requiring license info to complete the order. Interesting....

Medex Supply License link

Every single site I've found that is selling by the case is requiring license

 

[StonePny]

That and you're generally using a much wider gauge needle which is far more susceptible to coring as well as defeating the "self-healing" design of the stopper with multiple punctures.

You don't access it with a needle though. You're screwing a luer lock syringe onto the stopper and drawing out without an attached needle

 

[moonpies4misfits]

You don't access it with a needle though. You're screwing a luer lock syringe onto the stopper and drawing out without an attached needle

That's the point he's trying to make as to why a vial spike is useful in that particular situation, since you wont be using the needle to do multiple draws with the spike.

 

[StonePny]

That's the point he's trying to make as to why a vial spike is useful in that particular situation, since you wont be using the needle to do multiple draws with the spike.

Got it! Took me several minutes and a re-read.

 

[chmuse]

If it's a genuine shortage I have no issue with them going to licences only. It is actually an item needed for patient care. Other than the glp's, these peptides are mostly just a hobby, not a medical necessity... Paying $12 for a single vial kind of stinks but in the long run we're still making out like bandits over name.

 

[tncc_rn]

If it's a genuine shortage I have no issue with them going to licences only. It is actually an item needed for patient care. Other than the glp's, these peptides are mostly just a hobby, not a medical necessity... Paying $12 for a single vial kind of stinks but in the long run we're still making out like bandits over name.

Come on man, don't be logical about this crisis. 🙂

 

[chmuse]

Come on man, don't be logical about this crisis. 🙂

I get to be logical because I'm a hoarder and am not worried about running out. 😇

 

[Iamnew2this]

I get to be logical because I'm a hoarder and am not worried about running out. 😇

I totally agree. It's good not to run out of stuff😄

 

[LEAPINGLIZZARD75]

Why is no one carrying BAC Water? I was going to place an order from Nexaph and they told me they can't carry it due to legal reasons? I am new here so where is everyone getting it at? Also, if I order Tirzepatide (10 vials/Kit) - 10MG does that mean that I am getting 100 mg? I am trying to figure this all out. I have diabetes and my insurance all the suddenly decided they're not paying for Tirz anymore after being on it for over 3 years.

 

[Iamnew2this]

A kit of tirz(10 vials) at 10mg is 100mg total. Insurance sucks with GLPs. About the bac water, I'm not too sure, but it's happening. Hello and welcome! 👋

 

[Skidude]

I get to be logical because I'm a hoarder and am not worried about running out. 😇

It is amazing how you can step back and be analytical once you are stocked- I am the exact same way.
I have to remind myself what it felt like when I did not know if I could maintain supply and progress in a manner I could afford. I think this is my primary reason for wanting to see others secure their supplies.

 

[indolent]

There are multiple threads already. Search "bac water" or "Hospira".

Please everyone don't further comment here...it fragments the discussions.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

There are multiple threads already. Search "bac water" or "Hospira".

Agreed. Threads merged.

 

[indolent]

Agreed. Threads merged.

Oh good. I was so confused at first when reading my own post on this thread!!! Thanks.

 

[tncc_rn]

Why is no one carrying BAC Water? I was going to place an order from Nexaph and they told me they can't carry it due to legal reasons? I am new here so where is everyone getting it at? Also, if I order Tirzepatide (10 vials/Kit) - 10MG does that mean that I am getting 100 mg? I am trying to figure this all out. I have diabetes and my insurance all the suddenly decided they're not paying for Tirz anymore after being on it for over 3 years.

If you order a kit you get 10 vials of whatever you order. So Triz 10mg would give you a total of 100mg in your hand.

 

[chmuse]

It is amazing how you can step back and be analytical once you are stocked- I am the exact same way.
I have to remind myself what it felt like when I did not know if I could maintain supply and progress in a manner I could afford. I think this is my primary reason for wanting to see others secure their supplies.

Yes, once I knew the medication worked for me I stocked up. Now I don't have to worry about running out for a very, very long time.

 

[swetmo]

Just received an email back stating you must have the license of at least a nurse practitioner to order so I'm off to buy half a case from a regular seller at $13 a pop 😳

 

[StonePny]

Why is no one carrying BAC Water? I was going to place an order from Nexaph and they told me they can't carry it due to legal reasons? I am new here so where is everyone getting it at? Also, if I order Tirzepatide (10 vials/Kit) - 10MG does that mean that I am getting 100 mg? I am trying to figure this all out. I have diabetes and my insurance all the suddenly decided they're not paying for Tirz anymore after being on it for over 3 years.

Hi, sorry about your insurance situation, I think many of us have had these same challenges.
If you do a google search for "Hospira bacteriostatic water" you'll get a lot of different sites that you can check and many sell individual bottles of the water.

If the reconstituting and having to source everything is overwhelming (understandably) you might think about using a telehealth company for a while. Everything will be already mixed and easy.
Good luck!

 

[Calm Logic]

If the reconstituting and having to source everything is overwhelming (understandably) you might think about using a telehealth company for a while.

Brello Health is what I used. $499 for the first three months. Great company and the cheapest that I know of since they use their own compounding pharmacy of a different name. But ordering from Nexaph and supplies from Peptide Test could be faster regarding arrival time. You could figure things out while waiting the shipments, if need be.

I was able to get a total of 180 mg of compounded tirz for the $499 from Brello by fibbing about my current dose. At the time, my current dose was 2.5, but I told them it was 15. Some others will say their dose is 12.5 and ask to go to 15.

 

[Iamnew2this]

Just received an email back stating you must have the license of at least a nurse practitioner to order so I'm off to buy half a case from a regular seller at $13 a pop 😳

Ok. If you look at the big picture, you're still making out great compared to compound and name brand. You're doing great 👍

 

[peptideusername]

Maybe I don’t give two shits if it’s pharmacy grade as long as it’s sterile and works? But by all means if folks just want to stop reconstituting, give up on their meds and gain all their weight back and other ailments go ahead

Why be so unpleasant?

Hospira is pharmacy grade, so I was seeking answers on an alternative that is similar.
You have lots of words, but few ideas, and I couldn't help but notice you didn't name another "legitimate" bacteriostatic water source so I will have to presume that you do not have one.

I’m not here to explain myself to the likes of rando forum posters who I don’t give two flying f—ks about. How’s that?

Why are you even here? You are allowed to swear on the internet, by the way.

 

[rkl123]

The crazy thing to me is the Hospira saline BAC is the same low price as before, so relatively few must be buying it, even now. It's not for all peptides but is arguably ideal (comfort-wise) for some applications like GLP-1s.

The cost for Hospira saline BAC is only $3.40 per 30mL bottle at AmscoMedical.com.

Do we have a list of which peps it is ok for?

 

[Calm Logic]

Do we have a list of which peps it is ok for?

No, according to some here, we are on a limb already about using saline BAC for GLPs.

 

[Batscout]

I received this email from the company I purchased mine from (cue Amazon fraudsters):
————-
I want to inform you of an important update that will impact the ability to order certain Pfizer-produced products, including Hospira brand Bacteriostatic Water.

Starting July 2025, Pfizer is requiring that either a DEA License or an NPI Number be on file for any distributor to fulfill orders of their products. This is part of their updated product tracing protocols and will be enforced across all distributors, not just us here at AMSCO Medical.

As this change could affect your access to Hospira Bacteriostatic Water moving forward, I highly recommend reviewing your credentials and considering a stock-up while inventory is readily available. The current lot expiration date on our Bacteriostatic Water is October 2026.

To take advantage of the price provided below please call/text [admin removed contact info] or email me to place your order. We have not updated this online as we are offering this to our current customers first.

Featured Product: Bacteriostatic Water
ABB3977-03 – Bacteriostatic Water 30mL (25/box)
1 Box: $100/box
2 Boxes: $90/box
3+ Boxes: $85/box

You received this message from Amsco?

 

[Iamnew2this]

I received something similar(email).

 

[keangkong]

Now is a good time to buy. I already have a case.

 

[Iamnew2this]

I bought a case last week.

 

[AKC97]

I'm moderately pro pen. I recon anywhere from 4-8 doses once. From then on instead of doing the syringe song and dance, I twist pen to exact units I want and inject, on net saving time and plastic waste.

Pros:
-to the unit accuracy independent of your skill at exactly drawing a syringe the to the millimeter
-faster than regular syringe by a little.

Con:
-learning curve
-initial pen cost.

5/5 stars for the V2 because I can't watch me stab myself! 🫣

 

[Calm Logic]

Back in stock at Injection Shop at $9.99. They also sell expired BAC for $4.99. 5% off coupons: GLP1FORUM525 and REMEMBER, which are stackable.

Another "deal" is the recon kits at Underground Supply that include three BAC waters, starting at $36.75 for the no-filter starter kit.

Still out-of-stock at Peptide Test.

 

[crixus000g]

you can thank TikTok and the fact everyone is "sharing" a source or becoming a GLP 1 expert for the triple price increase.

 

[swetmo]

Back in stock at Injection Shop at $9.99. They also sell expired BAC for $4.99. 5% off coupons: GLP1FORUM525 and REMEMBER, which are stackable.

Another "deal" is the recon kits at Underground Supply that include three BAC waters, starting at $36.75 for the no-filter starter kit.

Still out-of-stock at Peptide Test.

Thanks for this info I was able to snatch some expired vials

PSA I think I have a problem and am becoming a hoarder of peptides and supplies lol

 

[Calm Logic]

Do we have a list of which peps it is ok for?

I asked Google Gemini for the other ones I have bought, and there seems to be no problem at all, just more benefits if anything:

In conclusion, the sodium chloride in bacteriostatic saline is generally not a concern for the stability and degradation of BPC-157, SS-31, or TB-500 after reconstitution. In fact, it contributes to the suitability of the solution for injection and, in the case of bacteriostatic water, helps prolong the shelf life by preventing bacterial growth. The critical factors for maintaining peptide integrity after reconstitution are proper storage temperature, avoiding freeze-thaw cycles, and sterile handling.

When reconstituting lyophilized peptides like BPC-157, SS-31, and TB-500, the choice of reconstitution solution is crucial for their stability and longevity. Bacteriostatic water for injection (BWFI), which contains 0.9% sodium chloride and 0.9% benzyl alcohol, is generally the preferred choice for reconstitution over plain sterile water, and the sodium chloride in it typically does not interfere with their stability or cause degradation.

Here's a breakdown of why and what to consider:
* Bacteriostatic Water (with 0.9% NaCl):
* Purpose of Sodium Chloride (NaCl): The 0.9% sodium chloride makes the solution isotonic, meaning it has a similar salt concentration to the body's fluids. This is important for injection, as it helps prevent irritation and discomfort at the injection site, and minimizes osmotic stress on cells.
* Purpose of Benzyl Alcohol: The 0.9% benzyl alcohol acts as a bacteriostatic agent, inhibiting the growth of bacteria in the reconstituted solution. This significantly extends the shelf life of the reconstituted peptide compared to using plain sterile water, which is prone to bacterial contamination once opened.
* Peptide Stability: Peptides, by their nature, are generally more stable in solutions that are close to physiological pH and osmolarity. The sodium chloride in bacteriostatic saline helps maintain these conditions, which is beneficial for the peptide's integrity. For most peptides, the presence of typical concentrations of sodium chloride (as in 0.9% saline) does not negatively impact their chemical stability or lead to degradation.
* Common Recommendation: BWFI is widely recommended by suppliers and researchers for reconstituting peptides for subcutaneous or intramuscular injection due to its preservative qualities and isotonicity.

* BPC-157, SS-31, and TB-500 Specifics:
* BPC-157: This peptide is known for its remarkable stability, even in gastric juice. When reconstituted, it's generally stable in BWFI.
* SS-31 (Elamipretide): SS-31 is a mitochondria-targeting peptide. Clinical and research uses often involve diluting it in 0.9% normal saline (NS) or D5W for intravenous infusion, indicating its compatibility with saline.
* TB-500: Like other peptides, TB-500 is typically reconstituted with bacteriostatic water. The primary concerns for its stability are temperature fluctuations, light exposure, and repeated freeze-thaw cycles. The sodium chloride in BWFI does not pose a known degradation risk.

Factors that do interfere with peptide stability and degradation in solution:
* Temperature: Higher temperatures significantly accelerate degradation. Reconstituted peptides should generally be stored refrigerated (2-8°C) for short-term use and often frozen (-20°C or -80°C) for long-term storage.
* Repeated Freeze-Thaw Cycles: This is a major cause of degradation. If you need to store reconstituted peptides long-term, it's best to aliquot the solution into single-use portions before freezing to avoid repeated thawing and refreezing.
* pH: While 0.9% saline is typically neutral or slightly acidic, extreme pH values (very acidic or very alkaline) can cause peptide hydrolysis or degradation.
* Light Exposure: UV light can break down peptide structures. Store reconstituted solutions in the dark.
* Contamination: Bacterial contamination can lead to degradation. Using sterile techniques during reconstitution and a sterile preservative (like benzyl alcohol in BWFI) is crucial.
* Oxidation: Some amino acids within peptides (like methionine, cysteine, tryptophan, tyrosine) are susceptible to oxidation. While not directly related to sodium chloride, exposure to air/oxygen can contribute to this.

 

[Squeezethebox]

Yes, once I knew the medication worked for me I stocked up. Now I don't have to worry about running out for a very, very long time.

Where do I go to order BAC water? I have 10 vials of 10mg per vile coming. How much BAC water do need to fill all 10?

 

[Squeezethebox]

Yes, the price did go up. I did notice that. If you can Google search, you will be able to find single vials. They are priced a little higher, too. One 30 ml vial should last you several months, almost a year, depending on how many peps/vials you have to reconstitute. Maybe you can get a single vials of bac for now. I would also try those places again tomorrow. You can also press the option to "get a quote" when you by in bulk. You might just be able to order. I hope that you find some.

Who much BAC water do you need for a 10mg vile?

 

[Loosingit]

Why even bother with that when sterile water for injection is readily available and cheap? Just add the BA to the already sterile water.

Has anyone used this method like moonpies suggested - adding 9 units of Benzyl Alcohol to Hospira sterile water 10ml vial like is sold at the link below? Obviously wiping down and cleaning everything with 70% Isopropyl Alcohol to keep things as clean/sterile as possible.

https://injectionshop.com/sup-ster-h2o.html

 

[CrimsonTaco47]

curious if anyone has used the BAC water from the vendors?

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Where do I go to order BAC water? I have 10 vials of 10mg per vile coming. How much BAC water do need to fill all 10?

Did you even read this thread?

Who much BAC water do you need for a 10mg vile?

As much or as little as you want. Technically you could add a gallon. It might be awkward though. Take a look around and read some of the extensive and helpful content we have here which covers that question a lot.

 

[Iamnew2this]

Who much BAC water do you need for a 10mg vile?

You can use as little as 100 units(1 insulin syringe) That's what I would do.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

curious if anyone has used the BAC water from the vendors?

I never have although I know a lot of people who have without any issue. The main concern for a while was that pH tests of some of the Chinese suppliers BAC was way outside of the neutral range in either direction which is definitely a concern with certain peptides. I don't think it's as much of an issue with sema, tirz, or reta but it's pretty important with cag.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Has anyone used this method like moonpies suggested - adding 9 units of Benzyl Alcohol to Hospira sterile water 10ml vial like is sold at the link below? Obviously wiping down and cleaning everything with 70% Isopropyl Alcohol to keep things as clean/sterile as possible.

https://injectionshop.com/sup-ster-h2o.html

Jano has mentioned a number of times in the past (and I have confirmed with a few of friends) that in Europe and the rest of the world BAC water is basically unheard of and they use simple sterile water for injection even for multi-dose vials. It seems to be a product and practice specific to North America.

I suspect that BAC water became a "thing" in these parts due to the strange proclivity for people on this continent to mix and inject their drugs in disturbingly close proximity to where they poop (likely combined with a little bit of overzealous government regulation and big pharma wanting to sell overpriced prescription water - possibly even a coordinated effort between the two...).

I've actually considered trying straight sterile water for a while even though I have a lot of expired BAC to get through just to prove to myself that it's fine. 🤪

 

[Calm Logic]

Peptide Test back in stock but at $11.50, one cent more than Underground Supply.

From Peptide Test's website:

Now In Stock – Thank You for Your Patience

We’re happy to have BAC Water back in stock!

Unfortunately, our supplier has doubled their pricing, and we've had to raise ours as a result. We always strive to keep our prices fair and accessible, and we sincerely apologize for the increase. Quantities are still limited, but a larger restock is already on the way.

So Injection Shop is getting my business at $9.99, with expired BAC for $4.99. 5% off coupons: GLP1FORUM525 and REMEMBER, which are stackable.