HOSPIRA changes in availability

[swetmo]

Back in stock at Injection Shop at $9.99. They also sell expired BAC for $4.99. 5% off coupons: GLP1FORUM525 and REMEMBER, which are stackable.

Another "deal" is the recon kits at Underground Supply that include three BAC waters, starting at $36.75 for the no-filter starter kit.

Still out-of-stock at Peptide Test.

Thanks for this info I was able to snatch some expired vials

PSA I think I have a problem and am becoming a hoarder of peptides and supplies lol

 

[Calm Logic]

Do we have a list of which peps it is ok for?

I asked Google Gemini for the other ones I have bought, and there seems to be no problem at all, just more benefits if anything:

In conclusion, the sodium chloride in bacteriostatic saline is generally not a concern for the stability and degradation of BPC-157, SS-31, or TB-500 after reconstitution. In fact, it contributes to the suitability of the solution for injection and, in the case of bacteriostatic water, helps prolong the shelf life by preventing bacterial growth. The critical factors for maintaining peptide integrity after reconstitution are proper storage temperature, avoiding freeze-thaw cycles, and sterile handling.

When reconstituting lyophilized peptides like BPC-157, SS-31, and TB-500, the choice of reconstitution solution is crucial for their stability and longevity. Bacteriostatic water for injection (BWFI), which contains 0.9% sodium chloride and 0.9% benzyl alcohol, is generally the preferred choice for reconstitution over plain sterile water, and the sodium chloride in it typically does not interfere with their stability or cause degradation.

Here's a breakdown of why and what to consider:
* Bacteriostatic Water (with 0.9% NaCl):
* Purpose of Sodium Chloride (NaCl): The 0.9% sodium chloride makes the solution isotonic, meaning it has a similar salt concentration to the body's fluids. This is important for injection, as it helps prevent irritation and discomfort at the injection site, and minimizes osmotic stress on cells.
* Purpose of Benzyl Alcohol: The 0.9% benzyl alcohol acts as a bacteriostatic agent, inhibiting the growth of bacteria in the reconstituted solution. This significantly extends the shelf life of the reconstituted peptide compared to using plain sterile water, which is prone to bacterial contamination once opened.
* Peptide Stability: Peptides, by their nature, are generally more stable in solutions that are close to physiological pH and osmolarity. The sodium chloride in bacteriostatic saline helps maintain these conditions, which is beneficial for the peptide's integrity. For most peptides, the presence of typical concentrations of sodium chloride (as in 0.9% saline) does not negatively impact their chemical stability or lead to degradation.
* Common Recommendation: BWFI is widely recommended by suppliers and researchers for reconstituting peptides for subcutaneous or intramuscular injection due to its preservative qualities and isotonicity.

* BPC-157, SS-31, and TB-500 Specifics:
* BPC-157: This peptide is known for its remarkable stability, even in gastric juice. When reconstituted, it's generally stable in BWFI.
* SS-31 (Elamipretide): SS-31 is a mitochondria-targeting peptide. Clinical and research uses often involve diluting it in 0.9% normal saline (NS) or D5W for intravenous infusion, indicating its compatibility with saline.
* TB-500: Like other peptides, TB-500 is typically reconstituted with bacteriostatic water. The primary concerns for its stability are temperature fluctuations, light exposure, and repeated freeze-thaw cycles. The sodium chloride in BWFI does not pose a known degradation risk.

Factors that do interfere with peptide stability and degradation in solution:
* Temperature: Higher temperatures significantly accelerate degradation. Reconstituted peptides should generally be stored refrigerated (2-8°C) for short-term use and often frozen (-20°C or -80°C) for long-term storage.
* Repeated Freeze-Thaw Cycles: This is a major cause of degradation. If you need to store reconstituted peptides long-term, it's best to aliquot the solution into single-use portions before freezing to avoid repeated thawing and refreezing.
* pH: While 0.9% saline is typically neutral or slightly acidic, extreme pH values (very acidic or very alkaline) can cause peptide hydrolysis or degradation.
* Light Exposure: UV light can break down peptide structures. Store reconstituted solutions in the dark.
* Contamination: Bacterial contamination can lead to degradation. Using sterile techniques during reconstitution and a sterile preservative (like benzyl alcohol in BWFI) is crucial.
* Oxidation: Some amino acids within peptides (like methionine, cysteine, tryptophan, tyrosine) are susceptible to oxidation. While not directly related to sodium chloride, exposure to air/oxygen can contribute to this.

 

[Squeezethebox]

Yes, once I knew the medication worked for me I stocked up. Now I don't have to worry about running out for a very, very long time.

Where do I go to order BAC water? I have 10 vials of 10mg per vile coming. How much BAC water do need to fill all 10?

 

[Squeezethebox]

Yes, the price did go up. I did notice that. If you can Google search, you will be able to find single vials. They are priced a little higher, too. One 30 ml vial should last you several months, almost a year, depending on how many peps/vials you have to reconstitute. Maybe you can get a single vials of bac for now. I would also try those places again tomorrow. You can also press the option to "get a quote" when you by in bulk. You might just be able to order. I hope that you find some.

Who much BAC water do you need for a 10mg vile?

 

[Loosingit]

Why even bother with that when sterile water for injection is readily available and cheap? Just add the BA to the already sterile water.

Has anyone used this method like moonpies suggested - adding 9 units of Benzyl Alcohol to Hospira sterile water 10ml vial like is sold at the link below? Obviously wiping down and cleaning everything with 70% Isopropyl Alcohol to keep things as clean/sterile as possible.

https://injectionshop.com/sup-ster-h2o.html

 

[CrimsonTaco47]

curious if anyone has used the BAC water from the vendors?

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Where do I go to order BAC water? I have 10 vials of 10mg per vile coming. How much BAC water do need to fill all 10?

Did you even read this thread?

Who much BAC water do you need for a 10mg vile?

As much or as little as you want. Technically you could add a gallon. It might be awkward though. Take a look around and read some of the extensive and helpful content we have here which covers that question a lot.

 

[Iamnew2this]

Who much BAC water do you need for a 10mg vile?

You can use as little as 100 units(1 insulin syringe) That's what I would do.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

curious if anyone has used the BAC water from the vendors?

I never have although I know a lot of people who have without any issue. The main concern for a while was that pH tests of some of the Chinese suppliers BAC was way outside of the neutral range in either direction which is definitely a concern with certain peptides. I don't think it's as much of an issue with sema, tirz, or reta but it's pretty important with cag.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Has anyone used this method like moonpies suggested - adding 9 units of Benzyl Alcohol to Hospira sterile water 10ml vial like is sold at the link below? Obviously wiping down and cleaning everything with 70% Isopropyl Alcohol to keep things as clean/sterile as possible.

https://injectionshop.com/sup-ster-h2o.html

Jano has mentioned a number of times in the past (and I have confirmed with a few of friends) that in Europe and the rest of the world BAC water is basically unheard of and they use simple sterile water for injection even for multi-dose vials. It seems to be a product and practice specific to North America.

I suspect that BAC water became a "thing" in these parts due to the strange proclivity for people on this continent to mix and inject their drugs in disturbingly close proximity to where they poop (likely combined with a little bit of overzealous government regulation and big pharma wanting to sell overpriced prescription water - possibly even a coordinated effort between the two...).

I've actually considered trying straight sterile water for a while even though I have a lot of expired BAC to get through just to prove to myself that it's fine. 🤪

 

[Calm Logic]

Peptide Test back in stock but at $11.50, one cent more than Underground Supply.

From Peptide Test's website:

Now In Stock – Thank You for Your Patience

We’re happy to have BAC Water back in stock!

Unfortunately, our supplier has doubled their pricing, and we've had to raise ours as a result. We always strive to keep our prices fair and accessible, and we sincerely apologize for the increase. Quantities are still limited, but a larger restock is already on the way.

So Injection Shop is getting my business at $9.99, with expired BAC for $4.99. 5% off coupons: GLP1FORUM525 and REMEMBER, which are stackable.

 

[AKC97]

I might have spent $5k on reta, test, and supplies last month.

I don't even want to do the math 😬

 

[adhdismyaesthetic]

Peptide Test back in stock but at $11.50, one cent more than Underground Supply.

From Peptide Test's website:



So Injection Shop is getting my business at $9.99, with expired BAC for $4.99. 5% off coupons: GLP1FORUM525 and REMEMBER, which are stackable.

I misread at first and I thought Injection Shop had “minimum 5”🤦🏼‍♀️😅

 

[Calm Logic]

Haha.

Underground Supply still has a minimum of three, which is odd since Peptide Test has the maximum of five.

 

[AndyPanda]

Jano has mentioned a number of times in the past (and I have confirmed with a few of friends) that in Europe and the rest of the world BAC water is basically unheard of and they use simple sterile water for injection even for multi-dose vials. It seems to be a product and practice specific to North America.

I suspect that BAC water became a "thing" in these parts due to the strange proclivity for people on this continent to mix and inject their drugs in disturbingly close proximity to where they poop (likely combined with a little bit of overzealous government regulation and big pharma wanting to sell overpriced prescription water - possibly even a coordinated effort between the two...).

I've actually considered trying straight sterile water for a while even though I have a lot of expired BAC to get through just to prove to myself that it's fine. 🤪

For random single injections, I have used McKesson sterile water for irrigation, and the sterile water for respiratory therapy without any issues. I believe their sterile water “for injection” requires an Rx or license. For Tirzepatide, I’ve also just done my own “compounding” using B-Complex ampules that contain BA.

 

[zpped]

I don't even want to do the math 😬

I keep a spread sheet for the peptides, but not the supplies.

 

[adhdismyaesthetic]

FYI ~ AMSCO has it for $9.40 without a license.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

FYI ~ AMSCO has it for $9.40 without a license.

Really? That's amazing!

 

[Calm Logic]

Starting July 2025, Pfizer is requiring that either a DEA License or an NPI Number be on file for any distributor to fulfill orders of their products. This is part of their updated product tracing protocols and will be enforced across all distributors, not just us here at AMSCO Medical.

32 shopping days left until July 1st.

But India is my backup plan for Hospira BAC, which appears at India Mart:

Pfizer did or still does produce their bac water in India. I'm sure some India RX places could get bac water, if push came to shove.

And as @AndyPanda mentioned, B-complex from India includes benzyl alcohol. Like 2%: