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I currently have one full kit of Reta. My plan is to lose the weight I want to lose and then maintenance dose for, well, ever. Wondering how much others are keeping on hand?

I suppose how much I can reasonably keep around will depend on how long it lasts before degradation. Do we have any solid research on that as of yet?
 
I currently have one full kit of Reta. My plan is to lose the weight I want to lose and then maintenance dose for, well, ever. Wondering how much others are keeping on hand?

I suppose how much I can reasonably keep around will depend on how long it lasts before degradation. Do we have any solid research on that as of yet?
When you say one full kit, what would that be?

I have ordered one kit of 10 vials of 50 mg Retatrutide from one of the vendors here - they are supposed to start shipping out on February 28 after Chinese New Years.

Since I'm only on 2 mg/week right now (just took my first 2 mg shot this morning after two initial weeks of 1 mg/week) that would be 250 weeks worth of peptide. 🙂 Don't know which dose I'll end up at but I think I'll be set for a while.
 
I don't have a big stash but I kind of want one - the only limiting factor is finances right now. Currently have 1 kit of reta in freezer and 2 more plus 2 klow kits otw. I want to do an order every month as I can afford until I amass a dragon level stash of all the things.
 
When you say one full kit, what would that be?

I have ordered one kit of 10 vials of 50 mg Retatrutide from one of the vendors here - they are supposed to start shipping out on February 28 after Chinese New Years.

Since I'm only on 2 mg/week right now (just took my first 2 mg shot this morning after two initial weeks of 1 mg/week) that would be 250 weeks worth of peptide. 🙂 Don't know which dose I'll end up at but I think I'll be set for a while.
That's a big kit for low dose! 25 weeks is longer than I'd ever go on a vial (I'm high risk tolerance and 8-12 weeks is still a limit). Reta responds poorly to freezing (unlike Tirz), but if you want vials to last even a fraction of that time, it would be best to filter and recon into multiple sterile carts (or vials). That way once you recon you'll only penetrate a single vial 10-15 times and keep the rest refrigerated/dark.

You have a lot! It was cheap. If it starts to look off AT ALL, just toss it. Sorry to be a killjoy. Look at a recon tool like btpepcalc in my tagline below.

You have time. If it's shipping from China, it's unlikely you'll see it before mid March. Look into what it takes to order sterile carts, syringes, filters, and use them. There are vendors listed here and videos on how to do it. Good luck on your journey!
 
That's a big kit for low dose! 25 weeks is longer than I'd ever go on a vial (I'm high risk tolerance and 8-12 weeks is still a limit). Reta responds poorly to freezing (unlike Tirz), but if you want vials to last even a fraction of that time, it would be best to filter and recon into multiple sterile carts (or vials). That way once you recon you'll only penetrate a single vial 10-15 times and keep the rest refrigerated/dark.

You have a lot! It was cheap. If it starts to look off AT ALL, just toss it. Sorry to be a killjoy. Look at a recon tool like btpepcalc in my tagline below.

You have time. If it's shipping from China, it's unlikely you'll see it before mid March. Look into what it takes to order sterile carts, syringes, filters, and use them. There are vendors listed here and videos on how to do it. Good luck on your journey!
Thanks for the tips! I only have 6 mg constituted Reta left so hoped I would get my big batch home before I run out in three weeks.

I don't expect to stay on 2 mg though, but if I do I might have to reconstitute into batches like you say.
 
When you say one full kit, what would that be?

I have ordered one kit of 10 vials of 50 mg Retatrutide from one of the vendors here - they are supposed to start shipping out on February 28 after Chinese New Years.

Since I'm only on 2 mg/week right now (just took my first 2 mg shot this morning after two initial weeks of 1 mg/week) that would be 250 weeks worth of peptide. 🙂 Don't know which dose I'll end up at but I think I'll be set for a while.
The only issue could be that reconstituting gives you a 2 month freshness timeline, at your dose 2mg or even doubling that to 4 mg a week this would be 12.5 weeks per sterile reconstituted vial.....way too long reconstituded. This is the main reason to get smaller vials at the start at least
 
That's a big kit for low dose! 25 weeks is longer than I'd ever go on a vial (I'm high risk tolerance and 8-12 weeks is still a limit). Reta responds poorly to freezing (unlike Tirz), but if you want vials to last even a fraction of that time, it would be best to filter and recon into multiple sterile carts (or vials). That way once you recon you'll only penetrate a single vial 10-15 times and keep the rest refrigerated/dark.

You have a lot! It was cheap. If it starts to look off AT ALL, just toss it. Sorry to be a killjoy. Look at a recon tool like btpepcalc in my tagline below.

You have time. If it's shipping from China, it's unlikely you'll see it before mid March. Look into what it takes to order sterile carts, syringes, filters, and use them. There are vendors listed here and videos on how to do it. Good luck on your journey!
Out of curiosity, where are you seeing info on the response to freezing?
I know I've read that tirz is said to be surprisingly stable when it comes to freezing and that result doesn't necessarily translate over to reta. I just didn't know that reta was known to perform poorly in that regard (vs being a mystery).
 
Out of curiosity, where are you seeing info on the response to freezing?
I know I've read that tirz is said to be surprisingly stable when it comes to freezing and that result doesn't necessarily translate over to reta. I just didn't know that reta was known to perform poorly in that regard (vs being a mystery).
this is the go interview on all about peptides - shaking, stirring, reconstituting etc.. gold standard...
View: https://youtu.be/shgk3-u51Ys
 
Out of curiosity, where are you seeing info on the response to freezing?
I know I've read that tirz is said to be surprisingly stable when it comes to freezing and that result doesn't necessarily translate over to reta. I just didn't know that reta was known to perform poorly in that regard (vs being a mystery).
interested as well , freeze thaw and moisture is what i understand is the killer . I keep stuff stored in insulated containers in freezer.
All modern freezer have this great feature "frost free" the issue is there is no real magic happening, "frost free" this means that your freezer is cycling and thawing the frost out....cool feature but not good for peptides or really any long term storage of food.
Certain freezers are Manual defrosting freezers and these are the good ones for longer term freshness.... or in my case i attempt to skip the thaw cycle in my modern freezer by insulating containers
 
There are multiple test groups out there that do degradation studies. I'm not sure if STG is back open to new folks now, but that's one of the easiest to get into.
Tirz appears to be fairly stable through long refrigeration and post recon re-freezing (even multiple) losing ~10%. Reta degrades faster and doesn't like re-freezing at all. For me 10% is roughly the accuracy of testing and dosing so it's acceptable. Once you get into the range of 20-30% degradation you risk dosing higher to compensate and then dosing too high on a new vial. I always treat a newly reconned vial as "hot". I just assume the first shot is 10-20% or higher concentration than whatever I was last using for the last shot.
 
interested as well , freeze thaw and moisture is what i understand is the killer . I keep stuff stored in insulated containers in freezer.
All modern freezer have this great feature "frost free" the issue is there is no real magic happening, "frost free" this means that your freezer is cycling and thawing the frost out....cool feature but not good for peptides or really any long term storage of food.
Certain freezers are Manual defrosting freezers and these are the good ones for longer term freshness.... or in my case i attempt to skip the thaw cycle in my modern freezer by insulating containers
Personally, if it's still powder (and the puck looks good, there's no moisture inside, it still has vacuum?) I'd assume it's good for years in a freezer. For Tirz it's probably good for years at room temp?!? (though I wouldn't plan on it). If it's still freeze dried, don't worry about your freezer defrost at all, just keep it dark and cool.

Freezing your BAC isn't a good idea, but if I did it by accident, I'd still probably use it (cuz I'm cheap and crazy). Best wishes on your journey!
 
I currently have one full kit of Reta. My plan is to lose the weight I want to lose and then maintenance dose for, well, ever. Wondering how much others are keeping on hand?

I suppose how much I can reasonably keep around will depend on how long it lasts before degradation. Do we have any solid research on that as of yet?

At a steady ~0ºF (typical freezer), it is thought that it will last relatively indefinitely.

I have "enough" for "a while". Right now I'm expecting to be done cutting weight in ~6-7 months, and I expect my maintenance dose to be half my peak dose.

I accept that stopping the medication will result in weight gain, and I have very little friction from taking the medication. I make sure I have a steady supply of everything I need to maintain my ability to control my weight. Going a step farther, I have a decent supply of Sema, Tirz, and Cagri, although I may never take them, I can't if I don't have the option on hand.

It's easy to get more than has a reasonable chance of being used, and at a point building supply becomes something less purposeful or productive.
 
Currently a kit of reta10 and a kit of bpc157. Neither opened, still debating to even touch the 157. Was an impulse buy
 
There are multiple test groups out there that do degradation studies. I'm not sure if STG is back open to new folks now, but that's one of the easiest to get into.
Tirz appears to be fairly stable through long refrigeration and post recon re-freezing (even multiple) losing ~10%. Reta degrades faster and doesn't like re-freezing at all. For me 10% is roughly the accuracy of testing and dosing so it's acceptable. Once you get into the range of 20-30% degradation you risk dosing higher to compensate and then dosing too high on a new vial. I always treat a newly reconned vial as "hot". I just assume the first shot is 10-20% or higher concentration than whatever I was last using for the last shot.
That's interesting that the results are "proprietary" to a certain degree. When I think through how the results would be obtained, I'd assume you'd need to have the lab running the full experiment for you based on your instructions to them. I say this because if I tried to run those tests and then mail in samples it doesn't feel like I'd have tight enough control over the in-transit conditions to be confident that freezing was the only thing that varied. And then if you talked Janoshik (as an example) into running a custom test like this for you, it more seems like the kind of thing he'd himself have been curious about and wanted to test VS something he'd want to take on as a paid job, since he must already rolling in cash by being the gold standard in our rapidly growing hobby. But I guess I could be wrong about that last part.

Obviously, I don't expect you to share private results, but any generalities or best practices that you (or others) might be able to share on this? I know I have a few guesses I might make from a chemistry background, but guesses aren't worth very much here. Another thought I had was wondering if someone were to pseudo-reconstitute a peptide in the smallest amount of solvent they could get away with if that could be a workaround. For example, I'm not sure propylene glycol would be ideal, but is an example of a solvent that would remain a liquid in any normal freezer. The thinking would be to use just enough of the solvent to dissolve the solids (to enable splitting between vials). Then when someone was ready to reconstitute the next vial in the group, they could add additional BAC water to get up to the desired concentration and refrigerate from there. Such a scheme would avoid any phase changes (if that ends up being the most damaging aspect of refreezing something that has been reconstituted).
 
Personally, if it's still powder (and the puck looks good, there's no moisture inside, it still has vacuum?) I'd assume it's good for years in a freezer. For Tirz it's probably good for years at room temp?!? (though I wouldn't plan on it). If it's still freeze dried, don't worry about your freezer defrost at all, just keep it dark and cool.

Freezing your BAC isn't a good idea, but if I did it by accident, I'd still probably use it (cuz I'm cheap and crazy). Best wishes on your journey!
Interesting about TRIZ being frige stable for that long, i had no idea ...so just block light out on triz. I think i would still use insulated something for temp shifts while open fridge doors for months or potentially years.
Regarding storage, this likely sounds ridiculous, but i hate thinking about things more then once and i personally would rather make it the best situation to maintain freshness once and not think about it until its used, whenever that is.
Freeze dried is also not alway as perfect as one would hope, mostly no moisture in a perfect world and a container that is flawless, is alway my assumption, temp change cycles effect all organics as well as vibrations over time (compressor cycles ) and other things opening and closing doors over a year.
I like the silicon holders for long term vibration control and the hydrapeak insulated containers temperature flux, seems easy and makes things stable

Probably way overboard but out of sight out of mind and quick labeling and put it away until needed.
 
At a steady ~0ºF (typical freezer), it is thought that it will last relatively indefinitely.

I have "enough" for "a while". Right now I'm expecting to be done cutting weight in ~6-7 months, and I expect my maintenance dose to be half my peak dose.

I accept that stopping the medication will result in weight gain, and I have very little friction from taking the medication. I make sure I have a steady supply of everything I need to maintain my ability to control my weight. Going a step farther, I have a decent supply of Sema, Tirz, and Cagri, although I may never take them, I can't if I don't have the option on hand.

It's easy to get more than has a reasonable chance of being used, and at a point building supply becomes something less purposeful or productive.

maybe nurautic but i know steaks are way better/longer in a manual defrost fridge because of the cycling

Frost-free freezers use a fan to circulate cold air and a heating element that activates periodically—typically every 6-8 hours—to melt frost on the evaporator coils. The meltwater drains away, and cooling resumes once a sensor detects the coils are clear, eliminating manual defrosting.
 
Interesting about TRIZ being frige stable for that long, i had no idea ...so just block light out on triz. I think i would still use insulated something for temp shifts while open fridge doors for months or potentially years.
Regarding storage, this likely sounds ridiculous, but i hate thinking about things more then once and i personally would rather make it the best situation to maintain freshness once and not think about it until its used, whenever that is.
Freeze dried is also not alway as perfect as one would hope, mostly no moisture in a perfect world and a container that is flawless, is alway my assumption, temp change cycles effect all organics as well as vibrations over time (compressor cycles ) and other things opening and closing doors over a year.
I like the silicon holders for long term vibration control and the hydrapeak insulated containers temperature flux, seems easy and makes things stable

Probably way overboard but out of sight out of mind and quick labeling and put it away until needed.
Freezer bags, desiccant pucks, and storing inside of an insulated container would knock out half of the concerns on your list. Probably overkill and unnecessary, but if it provides the psychological sense of having your bases covered, none of those are horribly expensive.

And by the time you've fully prepared for keeping your peptides preserved in a Mad Max-style world, you may have gone too far, as I expect obesity will be less of a concern in that world.
 
Freezer bags, desiccant pucks, and storing inside of an insulated container would knock out half of the concerns on your list. Probably overkill and unnecessary, but if it provides the psychological sense of having your bases covered, none of those are horribly expensive.

And by the time you've fully prepared for keeping your peptides preserved in a Mad Max-style world, you may have gone too far, as I expect obesity will be less of a concern in that world.

Hundred ways to skin a cat….this is how I do it
 

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3200mg's Tirz, 720mg's Reta. kept in my freezer in air tight containers with dry paks. No problems thus far.
About freezing reconstituted Reta, at some point I'll just test it myself, all these experiments that happen behind closed doors don't hold weight unless you can read them, being a part of a special club to read them isn't helpful. Like most things, I'll try it myself and see how it goes. My Reta is in 24 (28 actual) mg vials. So, when I switch I'll have to at least give aliquoting a shot.
 
3200mg's Tirz, 720mg's Reta. kept in my freezer in air tight containers with dry paks. No problems thus far.
About freezing reconstituted Reta, at some point I'll just test it myself, all these experiments that happen behind closed doors don't hold weight unless you can read them, being a part of a special club to read them isn't helpful. Like most things, I'll try it myself and see how it goes. My Reta is in 24 (28 actual) mg vials. So, when I switch I'll have to at least give aliquoting a shot.
yeah i just think a simple step of some sort of cooler (insulated anything) in the freezer is a good idea
 
I currently have one full kit of Reta. My plan is to lose the weight I want to lose and then maintenance dose for, well, ever. Wondering how much others are keeping on hand?

I suppose how much I can reasonably keep around will depend on how long it lasts before degradation. Do we have any solid research on that as of yet?
Keep it in the freezer in any type of cooler and it will last many many years. I use some soft side zipper travel pouches that came with an ice pack. I currently have 3 kits and I plan on buying more when I get down to one kit.
 
I have 3 years of tirz in freezer, plus 2 years of low dose sema, just in case I need a bump. Planning on adding some reta to the freezer to help with visceral fat towards maintenance.
 

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