how to NAD+

I tried NAD for like 4ish months and felt ZERO effects. I would feel that weird warm "rush" after the injection, but that was it. No energy, no added weight loss, no nothin! I am wondering if I was not dosing it right, since it seems like it should be going UP vs a front load and then going "down", so I might mix up a fresh vial and try again using protocols I've seen around here.
Did you workout after taking the NAD+? Expecting weight loss? I really never thought of it as a weight loss compund.

To me, NAD+ was like taking creatine. You won't know it's working until you put it to work. My reps went up a lot, so much so that I was making better gains and could increase the weight at the next workout.

I'm actually on the site today looking for promotions. I want to run another SS-31/MOTS-c, NAD+ protocol before summer.
 
Doing a bit more research, maybe it was the MOTS-c helping me. Either way, I think you should do the protocol for the synergistic effects.

GoalMOTS‑cNAD+
More reps⭐ Strong effectMild
Delay fatigue⭐ StrongMild
Increase lactate threshold⭐ StrongNone
Improve mitochondrial efficiencyStrongModerate
Improve recoveryModerate⭐ Strong
Improve daily energyModerate⭐ Strong
Fat‑loss synergyStrongMild
 
Did you workout after taking the NAD+? Expecting weight loss? I really never thought of it as a weight loss compund.

To me, NAD+ was like taking creatine. You won't know it's working until you put it to work. My reps went up a lot, so much so that I was making better gains and could increase the weight at the next workout.

I'm actually on the site today looking for promotions. I want to run another SS-31/MOTS-c, NAD+ protocol before summer.
I took it three times a week, but usually not near a workout, a few hours after or maybe like 8 hours before. I did it when I pinned, and my original tirz pin was Friday 8am, Sunday 2pm, Tuesday 8pm. But I literally felt NOTHING, though same with Creatine. That didn't do much either except send my liver enzymes to near fatal levels.

NAD was sold to me as "helps burn more fat and give more energy" but none of that appears to have been the case for me
 
I took it three times a week, but usually not near a workout, a few hours after or maybe like 8 hours before. I did it when I pinned, and my original tirz pin was Friday 8am, Sunday 2pm, Tuesday 8pm. But I literally felt NOTHING, though same with Creatine. That didn't do much either except send my liver enzymes to near fatal levels.

NAD was sold to me as "helps burn more fat and give more energy" but none of that appears to have been the case for me
How much creatine were you taking? I only take the standard 5mg a day. I'd guess that I miss that dose a few days a week to.

Also, how old are you? most of the mitochondria hacks are for older people whose mitochondria are in disrepair.

I've found the best hack for energy is sleep. Are your sleep scores in the good to excellent range? If you feel the need for a nap during the day, I'm guessing you aren't sleeping well.

If your sleep is good and you don't have energy, or you have brain fog, get your blood work done. I tried a lot of the peptides that were supposedly good for sleep and none of them helped.
My last blood test showed me having an iron deficiency (Ferritin 7.8 ng/mL) and also low B12 (327 pg/mL). I started taking an Iron supp a few times a week, B12 daily, Magnesium glycinate and L-theanine nightly, pushed through the day without taking a nap and made sure I got at least 7-9 hours of sleep a night and my sleep scores went up pretty quickly.

Most people begin mitochondrial‑support peptides between ages 35–50.

Why that window?

Because that’s when mitochondrial efficiency naturally declines in a measurable way:

  • NAD+ levels drop ~1% per year after age 25
  • AMPK activity declines
  • VO₂ max decreases
  • Recovery slows
  • Muscle fatigue sets in faster
  • Insulin sensitivity decreases
  • Sleep quality becomes more fragile
By the mid‑30s to 40s, these changes become noticeable in:

  • Workout endurance
  • Ability to recover
  • Energy stability
  • Fatigue resistance
  • Muscle quality
  • Metabolic flexibility
This is the age range where peptides like MOTS‑c, NAD+ precursors, AOD‑9604, GH secretagogues, and mitochondrial cofactors start to make a functional difference.
 
I was taking 5mg of Creatine a day, and I am a few weeks shy of 48. My bloodwork is actually spectacular, as long as I don't touch creatine, apparently. But NAD did nothing for me, unfortunately. I dug into all the others you've mentioned but haven't pulled the trigger on implementing.
 
Great info I found 15mg motc a week was great on its own so this must be dynamite from reading the potential synergistic effects, could you tell me how you got on with the protocol any sides/ benefits?
Thank you
I agree with Calm Logic here:
Lots of people feel the same way with most of the non-GLP peptides.

The biggest problem with the non-GLPs is they distract from hoarding GLPs, haha.

Although there may be benefits, beyond anecdotal, primarily my motivation was to replenish energy from an extremely restrictive diet and substantial change in my normal dietary routine.
It is my understanding that as you age and hold many vices it is more likely that you might benefit; similar to someone taking B12 that has a deficiency. YMMV.
I'm an old guy that has drank and smoked for many years...


I will likely run another cycle in 3-6 months, but don't expect the drastic changes that you get from GLP-1s
 
Question: I reconned 1000mg NAD+ with 4ml bac water.
I filtered and ended up with 5ml of liquid.
Does NAD+ has a volume increase after recon?
The fluid itself definitely seems thicker than my BPC, Mots or Reta fluids.
 
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Question: I reconned 1000mg NAD+ with 4ml bac water.
I filtered and ended up with 5ml of liquid.
Does NAD+ has a volume increase after recon?
The fluid itself definitely seems thicker than my BPC, Mots or Reta fluids.
You basically added 4mg to a 1mg, seems normal end up with 5 mg/ml solution
 
I did the NAD+ with the full MITO mix: ss-31/MOTSc/NAD+

I did 100 mg MWF
for the term: see below
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I did take TMG to replenish Methyl

Practical Recommendations for NAD+ & TMG Supplementation

  1. Timing and Dosage
    Based on current knowledge, TMG’s role as a long-acting methyl donor means it can be taken at any time of the day. There’s no evidence to suggest that TMG must be taken at the same time as NAD+. A typical dosage is 1,000mg of TMG daily, which should be more than enough to support methylation needs. However, for individuals who find daily TMG supplementation burdensome, taking it only on the days they use their NAD+ patch is also a viable option.
  2. Daily vs. Occasional Supplementation
    While some patients prefer to take TMG daily, others opt to only take it when using their NAD+ patches. Both methods are acceptable, and individual responses can vary based on personal methylation capacity.
  3. Methylation Testing
    Unfortunately, there aren’t yet precise tests to measure methylation efficiency or NAD+ metabolism in a way that would inform personalized TMG dosing. However, genetic testing for MTHFR mutations and measuring homocysteine levels can provide insight into your methylation capacity.

The Takeaway

While the precise timing and the amount of TMG patients should use with NAD+ are not set in stone, our approach is based on what seems to work for most people: either take TMG daily or on the days when you use NAD+ supplements, especially if you have known methylation issues. You can easily find TMG supplements at online retailers or most vitamin and supplement shops.

At Sellers website, we’ll continue to monitor the latest research and provide updated guidance as more is understood about the interplay between NAD+ and methyl donors like TMG.


Taking Trimethylglycine (TMG) alongside NAD+ precursors (like NMN or NR) helps replenish methyl groups, which are depleted during the metabolic process of raising NAD+ levels. This combination supports optimal methylation, crucial for DNA repair, detoxification, and preventing high homocysteine, often taken together in a 1:1 ratio.
Key Aspects of Combining TMG with NAD+ Boosters:
  • Why Combine Them: NAD+ boosters help energy production but can drain the body’s methyl group supply. TMG is a "methyl donor," restoring these groups to keep methylation pathways open.
  • Optimal Ratio & Dosage: Experts, including Dr. David Sinclair, often recommend a 1:1 ratio of TMG to NMN/NR, commonly around
    View attachment 19219When to Take: TMG can be taken in the morning, often with food to maximize absorption and prevent stomach discomfort.
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    of TMG daily.
  • Synergy: While NMN/NR directly raises NAD+, TMG ensures the metabolic process does not cause long-term depletion of methyl groups, supporting, overall, cellular health.
  • Benefits: Potential benefits include sustained energy, improved cardiovascular health, and better methylation, with significant improvements often reported after 3-6 months.
@Calm Logic led me here. He gave you credit and here I am, about to buy some TMG.

Thank you!
 

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