I don't think enough EU people are worried about the new EU chat control laws and how hard its going to be to get peptides..

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This law supposes your messages, photos, and private conversations may be scanned without your consent and will no longer be anonymous and tied to your identity. Sure the law says it will only scan for child abuse material (which assumes that even if you talk about crimes and terrorism you won't be affected, allegedly) but once that's in place, all it takes is a software update and it will look for anything the government doesn't like and anything that doesn't bring profit.

Including peptides, once this is passed, in a few years, peptides are likely going to be impossible to get through a normal chatting app like many of us use such as whatsapp or telegram, without hard and complex technological bypasses, because this law also includes a client-sided scan before the message is even sent (so the device will scan, not the app) , so this will be universal for any messaging app. Forums like these are also in fact included specifically.

Example: The UK’s CCTV Networks (1990s) (disclosure: used ai here)
Following the 1993 installation of London’s "Ring of Steel" for counter-terrorism, the UK’s CCTV network expanded to monitor minor offenses within one to four years.
  • Cameras were heavily deployed across British cities under the banner of counter-terrorism (specifically targeting the IRA threat).
  • Once the physical camera infrastructure was paid for and placed on every street corner, the mission shifted. Today, the network is used to issue fines for littering, minor traffic violations, and monitoring public assemblies.

This monday, 29 June, the EU trilogue negotiations on the Chat Control 2.0 proposal did not produce a final agreement or a concluded decision. As a result, the meeting ended without closing the file, and further negotiations were expected instead of any immediate adoption or rejection of the law.
And now its likely the vote will be scheduled in July.

Link to a useful site with helpful ways to combat it: https://fightchatcontrol.eu
 
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Looks like now’s the time to stockpile…either peps or hack-proof computers or both 🤣

dos old computer GIF
 
So, forgive my ignorance, but if they're going to be scanning messaging apps, surely that does NOT include personal emails? So....wouldn't you just communicate with sellers that way? WhatsApp and such aren't entirely necessary.
 
time to get yourself one of those privacy devices. There are numerous alternatives to the popular options. For me, by the time it clicks into place fully (a good 20 years) Ill be done needing peps. I doubt anything will happen - rich folks that manipulate the laws also like to operate without supervision.
 
So, forgive my ignorance, but if they're going to be scanning messaging apps, surely that does NOT include personal emails? So....wouldn't you just communicate with sellers that way? WhatsApp and such aren't entirely necessary.
They said "hosting services" which are defined as any service that stores information provided by, and at the request of, a recipient, so:
  • Public discussion forums
  • Community platforms
  • Social media sites
  • Messaging apps
  • Email providers
  • Cloud storage services
 
Will the EU actually be that interested in peptides? I know the US government could make peptides difficult enough to acquire that most of us, including me, would be unwilling to go through the effort but they won't both.
On one hand, this law is already impractical from the sheer amount of false positives which could arise, we're talking about billions of messages over the internet, even with a 99.9% successful detection rate, the 0.1% is a mountain of fake reports, if they add substances, which IMO is already harder to detect without false positives (mainly through jokes because all over social media there's people who talk about buying stuff but never actually intended), it would be borderline impossible.

On the other hand, substances/peptide/PED/counterfeit medicine markets, are all mainly done on messaging apps and social platforms, if this evolves into a mission creep, that would be the next target.
 
It appears that the EU is ruled by unelected bureaucrats who don't give a rat's arse about what the serfs think. At least that is how it appears to a barbarian from the wild wild west that is the US of A.

And this somehow seems to include UK who I thought had done this Brexit thing where they sort of opted out of that whole deal. So, admittedly, I have no idea how that works, but I don't want any part of it.

I'd rather live in Latin America where they don't seem to be all freaked out over things like hormone replacement therapy and peptides like the FDA does or the powers to be in the EU do. Everyone I know down there seems to be into all of that and it seems like no one cares. Probably better off stepping into a pothole in the street and breaking my ankle than having a bunch of bureaucrats harassing me over things that are none of their business, here in my first world with perfect infrastructure and sidewalks with no giant holes .
 
Signal was talking about leaving Europe a few months ago.
We’ll switch to self-hosted email servers or open-source encrypted email apps. It’s not very complicated; it’s just a bit of a hassle to manage and secure.
Quantum-resistant encryption algorithms are already freely available. Do they really think that people who seriously want to hide something won’t use them?
 
It would be horrible if you just so happen to set up a group of likeminded people to idk... Have homes outside the area of influence. Since you have other countries within driving distance... and set up supply chains for said things....Couldnt possibly be the next most lucrative sidegig since the youtube influencer and bitcoin boom.
 

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