I don't think I like this PEP pen

[IshimaruKenta]

Care to explain?

I like the idea of a pen, but I don’t want to deal with the hassle of finding a reliable model that stays reliably consistent.

The biggest thing for me, besides ease of use, is that you never have to deal with a dull needle. You don't poke the needle into the vial, which dulls the needle. It's super sharp from the get go and slides right in with no force. Essentially you recon, then transfer to the pen cartridge. No need to grab from the vial every time. Just screw on a needle, set the unit amount and pin.

I personally do not like the V2 at all. It's cheaply made and just feels flimsy. If you want to DM me, I'll send you some info.

 

[Camlbacker]

The biggest thing for me, besides ease of use, is that you never have to deal with a dull needle. You don't poke the needle into the vial, which dulls the needle.

Ease of use (especially during travel), not bludgeoning myself with a dull needle, and waste (making a quart sized ziploc full of used syringes every month or so gives me pause) are probably the three biggest reasons I've been considering making the switch to pens. I don't really see any advantage of V2s over V1s for my purposes either; seeing the needle or not doesn't make one iota of a difference to me. I appreciate your input @IshimaruKenta and @c0c0_ly . I will also have to think a bit more about needle length, because I'm definitely doing some pins larger than 20 units.

 

[IshimaruKenta]

Ease of use (especially during travel), not bludgeoning myself with a dull needle, and waste (making a quart sized ziploc full of used syringes every month or so gives me pause) are probably the three biggest reasons I've been considering making the switch to pens. I don't really see any advantage of V2s over V1s for my purposes either; seeing the needle or not doesn't make one iota of a difference to me. I appreciate your input @IshimaruKenta and @c0c0_ly . I will also have to think a bit more about needle length, because I'm definitely doing some pins larger than 20 units.

Go 6mm as a middle ground. Should be just fine. If you want any additional information, feel free to DM me.

 

[Sasquatch]

Ishi,
All good arguments for pens. Also, some have aversion to needles. It's definitely an individual decision. Me, I got no problems with big pipes going into my arms. Ima regular blood donor. Could probably hook myself up. Syringes, to me, are simple, mainly. (I'm not supposed to get off on the pain, am i?) Actually, it bothers me more that I can't feel a 31ga. needle. 😳

 

[IshimaruKenta]

Ishi,
All good arguments for pens. Also, some have aversion to needles. It's definitely an individual decision. Me, I got no problems with big pipes going into my arms. Ima regular blood donor. Could probably hook myself up. Syringes, to me, are simple, mainly. (I'm not supposed to get off on the pain, am i?) Actually, it bothers me more that I can't feel a 31ga. needle. 😳

Agreed, not trying to tell people they're wrong if they like one way. I just feel it's way easier with pens. My opinion of course. 😌

Maybe you should switch to a 25g needle. 😄

 

[TirzCore]

I’m using Savvio pens for daily pins like HGH, Tesa/Ipa, and KLOW. I’ve never had a malfunction and they are extremely accurate. BD Micro-Fine Plus PentaPoint 31g 8mm pen needles go in like butter. There’s nothing like a fresh needle that hasn’t been dulled by a vial stopper.

 

[FlowerFairy]

I bought a V2 injection pen. First two months of research were with pharmacy provided injection pens. I liked the simplicity of it.

I've read a bunch of stuff here about the pens and decided that I would get one. Blame it on my need to have ALL the things when I start something new.

It came in yesterday along with vials and needle tips. Purple and shiny! This morning I took my tirz and transferred it to the vial and loaded the pen. Purged the air and got ready for my new easy way to just pin and go.

It's awkward to hold, the plunger is kinda hard to press and I can't get the visual confirmation that it injected that I'm used to with insulin syringes.

Will I use it? Yep, not gonna waste all the tirz I just loaded. Will I load it again? I'm not sure. It seems like overkill. Or maybe I bought the wrong pen?

If you use one tell me about it? I'm currently using sema and tirz (I know sema isn't popular right now but it's working and it's cheap). Why do you like it better than just using syringes?

You need a better pen. If you can find a Luxura, those have been the easiest manual injectors that I have found. I started w/V2s too, and some are VERY hard to inject with. I have (way too) many pens, and manuals, either the Luxura or Savvio are the best. Goodlife sells one called the Goodwife that comes in olive green, yellow, orange, and brown that also works very well. My least favorite is the V2 and I don’t have a V1. I used to like the All Star but it popped apart mud-pen, so I trashed it. Before that happened I liked it. Auto injectors are good for everything except thick stuff like glutathione or NAD+ - it gets to be too much and the injection goes extremely slowly. Regular peps are fine. If youhave questions, ask me.

I wanted to want pens, but all the hassles of defective pens or you’ve gotta push the plunger at the right speed or this or that… syringes serve me well for my 20ish injections each week. Three of those wouldn’t be well suited for a pen.

If you mean oils, the Luxura or Savvio can handle them just fine. And I’ve only had one defective pen out of the too many I own, so the odds are worth it to me. I love them because I love having a sharp needle for everything except thick injection.

I have to ask. You have how many pens?

Around 20 or 25. I haven’t counted.

I keep seeing the "bird" pen mentioned but honestly I'm not sure what that is.

You have a point about filtering right into the cart. Today I transferred a partial vial into a cart cause I was looking forward to using the pen.

The bird pen and Convipen are the same- bird is made in China, Convi is polish. They call it a bird pen because there is a bird on the box.

If you filter anyway the pen creates zero extra effort. I hate all the waste of the insulin syringes. So much plastic

This 💯

Sounds like an auto injector might be a useful investment for you. Bird pens are ~$35. I’ve seen ConviPens for $45. Definitely more than the V1/V2, but after you insert the needle, it’s much easier to hold and push the button (near the middle of the pen) with one hand.

Where are you finding Convipens? I like them and would like a few more but they are not easy to find..

Care to explain?

I like the idea of a pen, but I don’t want to deal with the hassle of finding a reliable model that stays reliably consistent.

It’s the sharp needle and the saved time for me.

The biggest thing for me, besides ease of use, is that you never have to deal with a dull needle. You don't poke the needle into the vial, which dulls the needle. It's super sharp from the get go and slides right in with no force. Essentially you recon, then transfer to the pen cartridge. No need to grab from the vial every time. Just screw on a needle, set the unit amount and pin.

This was what appealed to me in the beginning- no dull needles. Then the ease of reconning into a cartridge and not needing to grab 6 vials plus equipment sealed the deal.

 

[Labcat]

I just put mine in a Sharps container and send it back to them in the box they send, postage paid. Then I get a new one in 3 days and fill it up again. Rinse, repeat. If I was trashing them, I'd be more concerned.

Unfortunately bio hazard water is incinerated, not recycled, as far as i know. I just lug mine down to a local pharmacy and give it to them… half the time they say they haven’t gotten pickup for weeks and can’t add any more to their heap.
I love the convenience of my daily generic liraglutide pen and look forward to the simplicity of using pens for my other 5 daily peptides… so far…

 

[Chili777]

Unfortunately bio hazard water is incinerated, not recycled, as far as i know. I just lug mine down to a local pharmacy and give it to them… half the time they say they haven’t gotten pickup for weeks and can’t add any more to their heap.
I love the convenience of my daily generic liraglutide pen and look forward to the simplicity of using pens for my other 5 daily peptides… so far…

At least they don't end up in the landfill. Some people clip the needle and throw them out in the trash and those will. The only one I take that would really benefit from a pen is Reta. I'd also rather reconstitute a fresh vial than have the peptide sit in a pen for 30+ days. I'm starting Mots-C and that will degrade approaching 30 days, also. Just my preference.

 

[FlowerFairy]

At least they don't end up in the landfill. Some people clip the needle and throw them out in the trash and those will. The only one I take that would really benefit from a pen is Reta. I'd also rather reconstitute a fresh vial than have the peptide sit in a pen for 30+ days. I'm starting Mots-C and that will degrade approaching 30 days, also. Just my preference.

It sits in a vial just as long as in a pen. There is literally no difference except for dulling your needle because you puncture the vial first.

 

[Chili777]

It sits in a vial just as long as in a pen. There is literally no difference except for dulling your needle because you puncture the vial first.

Not when I'm taking 5 mg daily from a 10 mg vial. The only one that sits is Reta.

 

[randompersonrandom]

My least favorite is the V2 and I don’t have a V1.

You're not missing much. They're bulky and hard to push (if you have lady hands) because of the bulk. I switched back to them, because I'm done with everything except GLP-1's, klow, and a small amount of epitalon here and there, nothing with a volume over 30ish units to have to push, because they seem smooth and solid and predictable, and because I didn't want to be a pen connoisseur, I just wanted three pens and a spare and to quit thinking about it. But if there was one that was every bit as cheap, reliable, and half the size, I'd have gotten that.

 

[Calm Logic]

I will say, when I inject with the pen I do it slower than with a syringe and leave the needle in for about 10 seconds after delivering the full dose. From what I understand, injecting too fast can cause inaccurate dosing or leakage from the needle after removing it. I have had a tiny drop leak out after injecting something, but nothing more than what comes out of the injection site if you remove a syringe too fast.

An alternative to the 10-second rule requires two hands and is easier with a syringe (may be too difficult with a pen, depending on the site):

May the Z-Tracking Technique to Prevent Any Leakage in Insulin Injection Be an Alternative to the 10-Second Waiting Technique? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Dos-Dox]

Where are you finding Convipens?

Daro is dropping more Convis at 9 am CST tomorrow (2/13).

 

[FilterOrDeath]

The biggest thing for me, besides ease of use, is that you never have to deal with a dull needle. You don't poke the needle into the vial, which dulls the needle. It's super sharp from the get go and slides right in with no force. Essentially you recon, then transfer to the pen cartridge. No need to grab from the vial every time. Just screw on a needle, set the unit amount and pin.

I personally do not like the V2 at all. It's cheaply made and just feels flimsy. If you want to DM me, I'll send you some info.

I'm not a fan of dull needles or pens! 💉 I don't like the insulin needles for that reason. So I use a 1cc luer lock syringe, draw with a 25g needle, then swap it for the 30g needle for injection. In case anyone else is interested in option# 3 😂

 

[Sasquatch]

Unfortunately bio hazard water is incinerated, not recycled, as far as i know. I just lug mine down to a local pharmacy and give it to them… half the time they say they haven’t gotten pickup for weeks and can’t add any more to their heap.
I love the convenience of my daily generic liraglutide pen and look forward to the simplicity of using pens for my other 5 daily peptides… so far…

Again, I know nothing about pens. So, you get a sharp needle, but does one replace it every injection? I hope?

 

[randompersonrandom]

Again, I know nothing about pens. So, you get a sharp needle, but does one replace it every injection? I hope?

yes--it's a little tiny screw on thing with a needle on both sides. You screw it onto the pen, and the needle on the bottom pierces the cartridge, you dial in the number of units, and the one on the top goes into you, then you push the plunger. Then pull it out, unscrew it and pitch it into your sharps box, and go about your day. A box of the pen-needles is very cheap, and it's all very convenient in a way that insulin needles just aren't.

 

[Labcat]

Donmt forget to remove the needle after using. I have a v2 and the needle can be hidden. Especially if you do the shot among several others then walk back to the kitchen where you keep your fridge and sharps container.

 

[Ruckus4519]

I'm not a fan of dull needles or pens! 💉 I don't like the insulin needles for that reason. So I use a 1cc luer lock syringe, draw with a 25g needle, then swap it for the 30g needle for injection. In case anyone else is interested in option# 3 😂

needle lengths?

 

[FilterOrDeath]

needle lengths?

I use Easy Touch brand for everything currently. The 25g is either 1" or 5/8", whatever I grab from my filtering set. The 30g are 1/2" hypodermic needles. I have only seen 30gx1/2, I believe thats the only size for 30g hypos from them. They work great for me.

I get all of the hypo needles for under $7 for each box of 100. The syringes are between $16 and $13 each for a box of 100. So don't pay more than that if you decide to get them. I know of a couple of websites that carry all of the items for those prices. Let me know if you want that info.

 

[lostlakebear]

An alternative to the 10-second rule requires two hands and is easier with a syringe (may be too difficult with a pen, depending on the site):

May the Z-Tracking Technique to Prevent Any Leakage in Insulin Injection Be an Alternative to the 10-Second Waiting Technique? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Type 2, Insulin-using diabetic for 20 years. I never heard of this. Great info!

 

[skeptick]

Again, I know nothing about pens. So, you get a sharp needle, but does one replace it every injection? I hope?

That's what you're supposed to do, but I confess that I don't. Pen needle stays sharp sometimes all the way thru a insulin pen 300 units and I'm down to 12units/day. Got boxes of pen needles to last me a lifetime. Had to tell pharmacy to stop including them with my 90day refills. My pain tolerance is much higher than most folks and super excellent infection resistance. YMMV

 

[IshimaruKenta]

 

[skeptick]

Daro is dropping more Convis at 9 am CST tomorrow (2/13).

Daro is dropping more Convis....What is Daro??? Link??? ThanX

 

[ltjltj]

That's what you're supposed to do, but I confess that I don't. Pen needle stays sharp sometimes all the way thru a insulin pen 300 units and I'm down to 12units/day. Got boxes of pen needles to last me a lifetime. Had to tell pharmacy to stop including them with my 90day refills. My pain tolerance is much higher than most folks and super excellent infection resistance. YMMV

Dulling isn't the biggest concern here, it's bacterial growth and leaving the cartridge pierced / open (even narrowly).

This really isn't worth it!

 

[IshimaruKenta]

Daro is dropping more Convis....What is Daro??? Link??? ThanX

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