I lied to my cardiologist about being on Tirz.

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I had my annual cardiologist appointment today, and I mentioned how the weightloss has helped my numbers. She asked how much this year, I said 40lbs, and then she asked "Are you taking ozempic or such?". I genuinely think she meant it as a casual follow-up question, but the tone of it had an edge, so instinctively I stuttered that I did it by diet and working with a nutritional therapist (which is also true). But I fully intended to have tirzepatide added to my chart so that my health is fully transparent. I just wasn't ready for questions about tirz and any concerns about me taking it, which I felt the tone leading to.

It so happens that tomorrow I have my annual PCP appointment too, so I'm going to bringing it up there and get updated labs. I won't chicken out this time!
 
I have an annual checkup in a few days and do not intend to disclose glp1 use. No reason to give insurance an excuse to refuse care at some point in the future.
Why do you think your insurance co would refuse care because you stated you are taking an FDA approved medication? Couldn't you just tell the doc you are getting it from a Telehealth provider?
 
Why do you think they wouldn’t?
“Drug Seeking Behavior”. No one should disclose unless absolutely critical (ER situation having a heart attack)
I told my electrophysiologist (cardiologist) that I was taking Tirz and the weekly dosage. He didn't seem to care and I doubt he checked to see if I had a prescription from my PCP (which i do). I think they are also on a different health network than my PCP so I am not even sure he could check if he wanted to.

“Drug Seeking Behavior”. No one should disclose unless absolutely critical (ER situation having a heart attack)
Wouldn't you need to actually ask for drugs for them to chart "drug seeking behavior", I'm not sure?

I would never admin to taking illegal or non-FDA approved drugs though.
 
I told my electrophysiologist (cardiologist) that I was taking Tirz and the weekly dosage. He didn't seem to care and I doubt he checked to see if I had a prescription from my PCP (which i do). I think they are also on a different health network than my PCP so I am not even sure he could check if he wanted to.


Wouldn't you need to actually ask for drugs for them to chart "drug seeking behavior", I'm not sure?

I would never admin to taking illegal or non-FDA approved drugs though.
It’s not about shame at the doctor. It’s about the insurance companies using it as an excuse to not cover care at some point in the future. We are not in good times when it comes to insurance coverage and the politcal winds have been blowing in the direction of less regulation of these things, not more. Unless there is some real gain to be had, I am not disclosing. I’m already doing my own relevant bloodwork and all, so doubtful my pcp needs to know anyway at an annual checkup.

I don’t give two shits about how my Dr feels about glp1s.
 
The paranoia is real up in here. My doctor knows he has lots of questions but he doesn’t put my illicit Chinese weight loss drugs in my chart though. He’s a good boy.
 
I told my electrophysiologist (cardiologist) that I was taking Tirz and the weekly dosage. He didn't seem to care and I doubt he checked to see if I had a prescription from my PCP (which i do). I think they are also on a different health network than my PCP so I am not even sure he could check if he wanted to.


Wouldn't you need to actually ask for drugs for them to chart "drug seeking behavior", I'm not sure?

I would never admin to taking illegal or non-FDA approved drugs though.
Doctor can chart anything they perceive. Nice/chill doctors you’re fine. Nastier doctors you’ve risked your insurance coverage
 
Doctor can chart anything they perceive. Nice/chill doctors you’re fine. Nastier doctors you’ve risked your insurance coverage
This is a rumor that needs to die.

You cannot be denied insurance coverage even for illicit drug use. It’s illegal thanks to the ACA, which is here to stay and they’re bound by actions and occurred during the ACA even if it’s repealed. You could get HepC from shooting up heroin with dirty needles, and they’re still going to cover your $90k round of Sovaldi because they have to.

Be honest with your doctors, for crying out loud. There are contraindications they need to be aware of. Otherwise, don’t bother seeing them in the first place.
 
Yo Yo - I am guessing you work in insurance? Or wait, maybe medicine?

I am RELIEVED to hear that you think the ACA is here to stay but — as someone who had to hear “Benghazi” for about FOUR freaking years after the attack — you and I both know that this is a red meat issue that many “people” (and I use that term loosely) may be looking to make their careers on.

I would love to hear your prediction on what is going to shake out with prescription benefit managers.
 
Yo Yo - I am guessing you work in insurance? Or wait, maybe medicine?

I am RELIEVED to hear that you think the ACA is here to stay but — as someone who had to hear “Benghazi” for about FOUR freaking years after the attack — you and I both know that this is a red meat issue that many “people” (and I use that term loosely) may be looking to make their careers on.

I would love to hear your prediction on what is going to shake out with prescription benefit managers.
I’m an uber boring lawyer in the healthcare space. I don’t have a lot of confidence in what will happen with potential changes to Medicare/Medicaid or regulations on the industry writ large.

But I am confident that the ACA’s protections for pre-existing conditions aren’t going anywhere. Even if Republicans in Congress re-codify the protections into something that can’t be called “Obamacare” (that’s really the stick in their craw, IMO), their own constituents have gotten so used those protections and are hell bent on keeping those protections. I say this as a lifelong Democrat, it would be political suicide for Republicans to nuke those protections. They’re here to stay.

Not sure what you mean by “how things will shake out with PBMs,” as that’s an entirely different and amorphous subject that would take a semester to explain. PBMs don’t determine medical coverage, they’re an administrator of the plan’s prescription benefits. Biggest issue with them right now is drug price fixing, and that’s different from insurance coverage on the whole. But the incoming Admin doesn’t seem too interested in dealing with that.

But back to the point here, and comments made in this thread. Attempting to compare coverage for a particular medication, like a GLP1, with denying insurance coverage on the whole for a pre-existing condition or conduct, is like comparing apples and hand grenades. And scaring people into not being honest with providers out of irrational fear the insurance companies will deny coverage for resulting medical conditions is just… silly. It’s also dangerous. It will result in misdiagnosis, ineffective treatment, unnecessary tests, negative drug interactions, medically unnecessary and counterproductive prescriptions, and more.

And anyone thinking they can just read test results themselves has a fool for a patient. ChatGPT ain’t your doctor. And what happens when you need treatment for whatever ChatGPT tells you, and the only explanation is the peptides? You think your doctor is just gonna think you’re a medical mystery? Nope. You’re back to square one. And if your plan can prove that you caused them to incur unnecessary costs as a result of your intentional omissions, in theory, they could seek subrogation against you for those costs. Not smart.

On top of illicit drugs, tens of millions of people, probably more, take supplements, herbs, vitamins, peptides and other things that aren’t FDA approved. Does anyone think that someone who takes iron supplement pills, Vitamin A or D, or black cohosh, each of which are not FDA approved and can be toxic in the wrong amounts and show up in blood work, will be denied insurance coverage? No. Peptides are no different.

“I’ve been shooting up heroin with dirty needles and caught HepC, and felt so invincible that I jumped off the roof and broke my back.” That guy is still getting medical coverage for HepC and his spinal surgery and PT despite his illegal and epically stupid conduct.

Shoot, you could take a daily dose of bleach to “clean out the virus from the inside out,” something clearly not meant for human consumption, and you’re still gonna have insurance coverage. It just might prompt an alert from the CDC that idiots still won’t listen to…
 
I’m an uber boring lawyer in the healthcare space. I don’t have a lot of confidence in what will happen with potential changes to Medicare/Medicaid or regulations on the industry writ large.

But I am confident that the ACA’s protections for pre-existing conditions aren’t going anywhere. Even if Republicans in Congress re-codify the protections into something that can’t be called “Obamacare” (that’s really the stick in their craw, IMO), their own constituents have gotten so used those protections and are hell bent on keeping those protections. I say this as a lifelong Democrat, it would be political suicide for Republicans to nuke those protections. They’re here to stay.

Not sure what you mean by “how things will shake out with PBMs,” as that’s an entirely different and amorphous subject that would take a semester to explain. PBMs don’t determine medical coverage, they’re an administrator of the plan’s prescription benefits. Biggest issue with them right now is drug price fixing, and that’s different from insurance coverage on the whole. But the incoming Admin doesn’t seem too interested in dealing with that.

But back to the point here, and comments made in this thread. Attempting to compare coverage for a particular medication, like a GLP1, with denying insurance coverage on the whole for a pre-existing condition or conduct, is like comparing apples and hand grenades. And scaring people into not being honest with providers out of irrational fear the insurance companies will deny coverage for resulting medical conditions is just… silly. It’s also dangerous. It will result in misdiagnosis, ineffective treatment, unnecessary tests, negative drug interactions, medically unnecessary and counterproductive prescriptions, and more.

And anyone thinking they can just read test results themselves has a fool for a patient. ChatGPT ain’t your doctor. And what happens when you need treatment for whatever ChatGPT tells you, and the only explanation is the peptides? You think your doctor is just gonna think you’re a medical mystery? Nope. You’re back to square one. And if your plan can prove that you caused them to incur unnecessary costs as a result of your intentional omissions, in theory, they could seek subrogation against you for those costs. Not smart.

On top of illicit drugs, tens of millions of people, probably more, take supplements, herbs, vitamins, peptides and other things that aren’t FDA approved. Does anyone think that someone who takes iron supplement pills, Vitamin A or D, or black cohosh, each of which are not FDA approved and can be toxic in the wrong amounts and show up in blood work, will be denied insurance coverage? No. Peptides are no different.

“I’ve been shooting up heroin with dirty needles and caught HepC, and felt so invincible that I jumped off the roof and broke my back.” That guy is still getting medical coverage for HepC and his spinal surgery and PT despite his illegal and epically stupid conduct.

Shoot, you could take a daily dose of bleach to “clean out the virus from the inside out,” something clearly not meant for human consumption, and you’re still gonna have insurance coverage. It just might prompt an alert from the CDC that idiots still won’t listen to…
My fear is being placed on prescription monitoring, then every doctor I see for the rest of my life treating me like a junkie. I have private insurance through work, but the copayments are insane so I get most of my healthcare from the Department of Veterans Affairs because I’m rated at 100% and they already act like it’s the end of the world every time I need something. They laughed at me when I asked for GLPs.
 
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I would be wary of that if I told my doctor about that time I smoked opium, or on a more theoretical basis if I had any sort of actual opioid addiction, but despite the marijuana on my chart, I've never had any issue with getting painkillers or similar when I've actually needed them. It doesn't seem to me like using a GLP-1 or similar is likely to be a flag for drug seeking behavior.

I had my last annual checkup and bloodwork at the tail end of my time on the compounded tirz, so it hasn't come up since then. I am keeping track of bloodwork on a 2-3 month cadence now via fitomics, though, and if anything on that comes out concerning two labs in a row (or particularly concerning on any one), I'll be talking to my PCP and mention the various peptides, etc., I'm taking.

I'm taking these things for my health, in general. It's going to be counter productive if they have a detrimental impact there, and I don't want to try and navigate things on my own for anything beyond the basics. Bloodwork says I need more Omega 3s? Sure, my diet is deficient in them so adding some fish oil supplementation is any easy way to see if that improves things. Still bad when I go a couple of months from now? Gonna talk to my doc.
 

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