Is anyone here taking the Wolverine stack and not getting the results they expect

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I am taking BPC 500mcg once in the AM and again at night every day. Subq at the injury site. I switch between left and right elbows.
Also taking TB-4\500 2.5mg on Monday and Thursday. I mix it with the BPC.

I can't say I'm detecting any healing better than what I would get with plain old ice, Aleve, therapy, and lighter training.

Any thoughts on my protocol? Is it not enough? Do I need to increase the frequency of the TB?

I got a new batch coming from ERP and I am only about halfway through my current kits. So, if I need to ramp up, I'm set.
 
PAPoots said:
I am taking BPC 500mcg once in the AM and again at night every day. Subq at the injury site. I switch between left and right elbows.
Also taking TB-4\500 2.5mg on Monday and Thursday. I mix it with the BPC.

I can't say I'm detecting any healing better than what I would get with plain old ice, Aleve, therapy, and lighter training.

Any thoughts on my protocol? Is it not enough? Do I need to increase the frequency of the TB?

I got a new batch coming from ERP and I am only about halfway through my current kits. So, if I need to ramp up, I'm set.
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Hey, I got it to work, but what are the elbow issues you are trying to treat? Also, could the stuff be faulty, as in, not real BpC, TB-500? And how long have you been taking it? And have you been taking enough collagen, hyaluronic acid, vitamin C?
 
I haven't had any issues with ERP products in the past. Well, not until today. The outer caps for some reason don't come off the TB-500 vials well. I lost one in the process when it got hung on the metal and no amount of being gentle with it could stop it from ripping down the side and the plug popped.
I am taking vitamin C.
What form of collagen and hyaluronic acid should I take? Do you happen to have an Amazon link?
 
PAPoots said:
I haven't had any issues with ERP products in the past. Well, not until today. The outer caps for some reason don't come off the TB-500 vials well. I lost one in the process when it got hung on the metal and no amount of being gentle with it could stop it from ripping down the side and the plug popped.
I am taking vitamin C.
What form of collagen and hyaluronic acid should I take? Do you happen to have an Amazon link?
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try collagen30 with Hyaluronic acid from webber
its on amazon
 
PAPoots said:
I haven't had any issues with ERP products in the past. Well, not until today. The outer caps for some reason don't come off the TB-500 vials well. I lost one in the process when it got hung on the metal and no amount of being gentle with it could stop it from ripping down the side and the plug popped.
I am taking vitamin C.
What form of collagen and hyaluronic acid should I take? Do you happen to have an Amazon link?
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Hmmmm... I dont know about ERP. Ok, you can get collagen peptides with hyaluronic acid and vitamin C... Just make sure they have all types of collagen peptides, I,II,III,IV, V, VI...and marine collagen- usually from Krill, is better than bovine collagen. Oh and you need to eat 30grams daily.
 
I used a 10mg vial 5mg of each lasted me 8 days pinning once a day 250mcg of each.

My rotator cuff injury 80% healed I did notice the effects. So I’ve ordered more
 
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Smiter said:
Just make sure they have all types of collagen peptides, I,II,III,IV, V, VI...and marine collagen- usually from Krill, is better than bovine collagen.
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Does the marine collagen have a fishy smell/taste? That would be a deal breaker for me.
 
Retract8740 said:
Does the marine collagen have a fishy smell/taste? That would be a deal breaker for me.
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Here's Gemini's take on it.

Cardamom powder and irisin are linked by scientific research investigating how dietary spices can influence metabolic health.

Studies, particularly in overweight or obese patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), suggest that daily green cardamom supplementation increases serum levels of irisin.
National Institutes of Health (.gov)

The Connection Explained
  • What is Irisin? It is a hormone-like myokine (released by muscle) that is triggered during exercise. It plays a significant role in energy expenditure, thermogenesis (turning fat into heat), and improving insulin sensitivity.

  • The Role of Cardamom: Cardamom is rich in flavonoids and polyphenols. Research indicates these active plant compounds can stimulate the
    PGC-1 ALPHA
    pathway—a key regulator of energy metabolism—which in turn promotes the release and circulation of irisin in the body.

Key Benefits Observed in Studies
By boosting both irisin levels and anti-inflammatory pathways, cardamom supplementation has been clinically associated with:
  • Improved Insulin Sensitivity: Decreased insulin resistance and lower HOMA-IR scores.
  • Better Lipid Profiles: Reduced triglycerides and lowered LDL ("bad") cholesterol.
  • Reduced Liver Fat: Improvements in the overall grade of fatty liver in overweight or obese patients
 
My RS is having good results from various stack ratios of Wolverine. I just mixed a custom batch consisting of 7 vials of BPC-157 and 4 vials of TB4 (TB-500). The BPC’s actual weight per vial was 12mg. The TB4 was 11.5mg. So I mixed 84mg BPC-157 and 46mg TB4. All reconned with 1ml BAC per vial. I came up with 764mcg BPC-157 and 418mcg TB4 per 10 unit dose. Twice daily is 1.53mg and .84mg total. Can anyone see any flaws with this? Thanks.
 
It isn't too far off my weekly total of 7mg bpc and 5mg tb. The main difference being a take my tb Monday and Thursdays. I looked up the half life and both seem to be hours. I wonder where i got my TB protocol after reading that.
 
My history shows me doing a loading phase of tb taking 1mg every day for 4-6 weeks, then dropping to 2.5 M & Th till the kit is gone.

I haven't seen much in results, but i did add the collagen peptides this week.
 
 
PAPoots said:
I am taking BPC 500mcg once in the AM and again at night every day. Subq at the injury site. I switch between left and right elbows.
Also taking TB-4\500 2.5mg on Monday and Thursday. I mix it with the BPC.

I can't say I'm detecting any healing better than what I would get with plain old ice, Aleve, therapy, and lighter training.

Any thoughts on my protocol? Is it not enough? Do I need to increase the frequency of the TB?

I got a new batch coming from ERP and I am only about halfway through my current kits. So, if I need to ramp up, I'm set.
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Maybe try the klow stack. KPV does wonders
 
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I've been running it for 3 weeks, twice daily injections and I'd say my results are questionable at best, hard to say. Maybe a slight overall general repair and less inflammation but nothing dramatic.
 
TastyBlack said:
I've been running it for 3 weeks, twice daily injections and I'd say my results are questionable at best, hard to say. Maybe a slight overall general repair and less inflammation but nothing dramatic.
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I probably won't run it again after my kits are gone. I've been laying off the gym for a few weeks and today was the first day back trying chest presses. I didn't have the aching and pain at rest, but as soon as I started to press, there is no going past 90 degrees at either elbow without feeling some pain. So, I just did partials and moved on.

I'll keep taking the collagen and BPC till I run out and then I'll probably go see a PT. I'm guessing it is all scar tissue now. I still get some carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms, so I know the inflammation is still in the joint.
 
Smiter said:
For me too, hence no... In fact, some bovine products have a smell that the marine version does not. I go a step further and add green cardamom powder...for the added Irisin benefit.
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Ooh, I love cardamom! I should use it more. I have pods and a concentrate.
 
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