MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
ROFL
I'll tell you that your "arousal" sounds like a personal problem.
Is Nexa no longer cool
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I'll tell you that your "arousal" sounds like a personal problem.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
He's good Coach.... he'll be fine in 10 minutes. If u were ban happy you woulda got me for all the stupid things I post or when I bark at vendors when folks get stiffed without the facts or any patience....
Super Trips
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I was referring to when you left and let worker be take over the forum for mod.
me and worker Be went back and forth about cain for 6 months when we had a problem in dec-may of this year with china vendors ripping off EVERYONE on here it seemed like.
what are the most made question on this site?
how can i buy grey pep right?
nexaph offers a great newbie way to buy with a easy site and CC payments.
So why trash one of the only guys that has had a site up that helps more people get into grey?
that is why I defend him is because we forget that not everyone on here can buy peps from china.
I could make a huge list of reason why having a package in customs flagged or even let through after inspection could turn people away.
Yes DHS keeps track of yall orders and what was in it even if it was passed through no problems.
want a new job in the gov or contract to work with them?
how about clearance to go certain places? or denied a passport or twic card?
some people dont want to risk importing anything from china that may bring a flag onto them.
while its legal now may not be legal tomorrow.
if cain makes money while risking his neck to make a profit let him
But unless yall just enjoy answering the same questions over and over
let the newbies try him out without putting fear into them because its no less risk ordering from china or even a china vendors supply USA warehouse.
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Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Of course, there are other domestic resellers besides Nexaph, including Amino Lair for kits and maybe at least 20 group buy vendors now, including some with already tested in-stock kits and singles.
But some newbies know Nexaph and Peptide Sciences and that's about it. And it takes time to find out about other vendors and especially group buys.
I still buy Nexa technically since I recently got a vial of T60 resold by BioBombshell.
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I'm a bit jaded in that when I first started out in this hobby, the main "gray" choices were Peptide Sciences and SAF. Both were absurdly overpriced, and offered little to no testing; but they took card payments and shipped from within the US so they were the de facto entry point for 99% of people looking for an alternative to big pharma at the time.
In a few short months, they became the "nexa" of that era; everyone had an opinion and felt compelled to share it. The main difference being that neither of those companies could be bothered with trying to engage customers publicly; they were smart enough to ignore the noise and focus on the big picture: making all the money. As time wore on, and even to this very day, because they accepted cards and shipped domestically they continued to have their supporters and loyal customers. To most people now however, neither would even be included in consideration today, even for those who have never purchased from them.
As time went on, the domestic vendor scene began to change rapidly, with countless startups sprouting up all over the place as people discovered they could buy kits from QSC, Senwayer, Tri-Trust, and the whole gang of Chinese that most here have never heard of, and turn around and sell kits or individual vials for hundreds or thousands of percent markup and enjoy almost overnight success.
That's when the differences in vendor approaches and personalities started to become something for the whole world to see. Several vendors with great prices and quality products would ultimately fail because of shitty customer service, shipping problems, always running out of inventory, and often due do problematic personalities (remember Phat Strength?) allowing themselves to be seen for the questionable type of people customers were dealing with.
Other vendors followed a different path. Arctic is my go-to example because even though they had a number of public disasters early on (mostly underfilled vials, shipping/inventory and customer service problems), they took the approach of learning from those mistakes and doing everything they could to overcome them and improve every day. Eventually they got to the point of almost universal respect, even though their prices were well above what many people who were becoming familiar with China-direct purchasing were willing to pay. Sure, they had occasional bad reviews, but they were all "feels" complaints; never did you hear someone complain about being ripped off or the owners being assholes. Eventually, other vendors like Skye, Polaris, etc. would follow the same model and many are still around today with the same near-universal admiration and respect. The owners of those types of companies were/are decent people, or at the very least able to keep any negative personality traits private and not let them interfere with how they conducted business. (I didn't include BB/Aminos Research because while they were the cat's meow for quite a while, their spectacular failure quickly erased all of the good will they built up.)
Then of course were the "less-than" vendors, those people who see the peptide business as a money factory and nothing else; only caring about their customers to the extent of convincing them to keep coming back to spend more. Astro, HVY, Xcel, Helix, Cantides, the list goes on and on. They were caught lying over and over again. They would never made good on bad product. They did all the wrong things, almost always having to do with the personalities of their proprietors.
Even with the worst vendors at their worst moments, I don't recall any of them ever rubbing their "success" in the faces of the very customers who made that success possible. Ironically, the most successful long-term vendors seem to be the ones who realize that public interactions with customers/potential customers is ill-advised and minimize or eliminate their public participation once they've become established. It's the ones who keep needing to remind the world how wonderful they are that almost always end up being the names brought up as examples of how not to do things.
Vendors will continue to come and go, and a year from now we'll be talking about an entirely different set of names. One of the core missions of this forum is to give members the information and tools to help empower informed decision-making for everyone's unique situation and circumstances, and much of that is accomplished by people sharing their experiences and opinions openly and honestly (without being paid or incentivized). I don't especially care whether someone supports a vendor or not; positive or negative feedback doesn't matter as much as its sincerity, provided the discussion is always conducted genuinely and respectfully and without attempting to invalidate or intimidate dissenting opinions.
Anyway, this should really be a separate post, maybe a "Gonk's Chronicles of Grey Market Peptide History" kind of thing at some point, so I'll leave it as food for thought for now. Always remember that this forum as a general rule remains staunchly vendor-neutral unless and until a vendor has given us reasons to set that neutrality aside, such as when their actions put the health or finances of our members in jeopardy.
And if all y'all don't start being more respectful of each other despite disagreements, that's when the ban hammer will start coming down.
I'm tired of this entire conversation, but wanted to address this one part of your reply...
Most people probably don't know this, but one of the reasons ЕWВ was a top choice for leading this circus during my absence is the fact that he and I often disagreed (and still do) about many aspects of this hobby, sources, and life in general. What we do share is RESPECT, and that's what I expect of every other member here regardless of differing opinions or experiences.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
I still use them, but I don’t pick based on “coolness.” I’ve mixed in some old Tirz vials from pricey single vial vendors and GBs from unknown vendors in between Nexa vials and haven’t noticed a discernible difference based on FEELZ.
My preference is more based on reliability and ease, and admittedly, a lack of patience. Nexa comes reliably and fast.
ETA: Just realized I’ve been using him for a year. Time FLIES when you’re happy and skinny! 🤣
My preference is more based on reliability and ease, and admittedly, a lack of patience. Nexa comes reliably and fast.
ETA: Just realized I’ve been using him for a year. Time FLIES when you’re happy and skinny! 🤣
loveisinthearies
GLP-1 Novice
What’s up with Amino Lair’s testing? Do they only use Freedom Diagnostics (I think that’s the name). I’ve scoped them out as a potential place to shop but wasn’t sure on that aspect.
Anyone aware of any test groups for them?
Bourbaki1729
Recently Joined
I fail to understand what that has to do with the OP's question, but I think it reveals your opinion of the proprietor.
There shouldn't be any confusion as to my opinion of the proprietor, especially after the coordinated shill assault on the forum earlier this year.
I vaguely recall them posting tests from other labs in the past; might want to look through the archived promos section to see.
Likely just a cost and path of least resistance thing for them. I really don't have any knowledge or experience with the Freedom lab, but if you're curious I suggest reaching out to Amino Lair to ask about their lab choices.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
I’ll never understand this “shill” thing you hang on to.
God forbid a flood of people fleeing name brand and compound who found something easy, reliable, fast, that they were comfortable with, and that works just as well as the “real” stuff, saving them eons of money a year, comment and share their experiences when other newbies ask about who everyone is using. They were excited, as was everyone who found grey. That’s not “shilling.”
geoguy78
GLP-1 Specialist
Sounds like you and I have the same questions. I know absolutely nothing about Freedom Diagnostics other than one comment someone on this forum made when I brought up Amino Lair a while back. Currently I'm sitting back and watching them closely, hoping that a bigger body of feedback builds up.
I saw the sale on Reta...I am wondering if I should purchase it as it would save me like $45 but I just did my first pin of Triz. Thoughts? Should I buy it?
MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Ok, just went through all of that to find a disorganized chat group. The vender list is sparse and made no mention of Nexaph that I could find. Call me a fan girl all you want but I STILL haven't found a cheaper vender that suits my needs.
I think I am in the telegram group for stairway to gray but I am not 100%. Is it called STG - No oils?????
geoguy78
GLP-1 Specialist
Nexaph appears to be blacklisted on StG. Even mentioning that name prompts an automod response. I'm not sure why. But if you search for "Nexaph", "SNP", etc. all you'll find are the automod responses. I'm assuming they "poof" any posts mentioning them.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yes they threw in no oils so noone asks about aas.... another member figured it out and got her a link.... thank you!
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Sure. Eventually you will try reta....Next time shop around and save 100 for domestically shipped or 200 international. Most everyone can afford a kit from them but the problem is building a 70 year stash. Joking but a majority of us weirdos have a 2-9 year supply of sema, tirz and reta....
loveisinthearies
GLP-1 Novice
I’ve only been in the space for 2 weeks and already crave having my own stash..
MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
So just more non legitimate answer as to why I'm supposed to not buy from that vender. All I have learned is that: #1 - He might be an asshole. #2 He once lied about where he lived. #3 - Previously someone said he sold bad product .. but honestly it looked like something they did themselves. It looked like they introduced a drop of BAC water to their vials.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Can't go back 5 hours to an argument gizmo.... that's rekindling and illegal. He was actually working with you not against you when he responded to your statement.....Amino Lair. Half price of nexa. Ships domestically. Level II complete. Lighten up madame.
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MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Only takes bitcoin. Next.
What's to be confused about?
I have zero issue with honest, sincere reviews. I encourage them, whether positive or negative, and regardless of my (or any mods) opinion. They're an important part of helping people - especially those new to the hobby - make the best decision for their situation.
It's the incentivized reviews that are the problem. When someone posts a review that they are being compensated to post, whether by free product, a discount, or outright payment - and they fail to disclose that compensation - that review can't be trusted and is ultimately a disservice to the community. Unfortunately, even what may be legitimately honest and sincere reviews are jaded by whatever compensation the people posting received in exchange for the review. There is a reason that most mass media has been required to disclose when someone is being compensated for their promotion of a product/service/company/etc. since before most of us were born.
The vast majority of reviews posted here are never moderated or deleted; I would estimate less than 5%. The only exceptions are when they're posted in the Introduce Yourself section, posted by new(er) members that appear to have signed up for the sole purpose of "subtly" mentioning a vendor and/or posting a review, and of course when they exhibit all of the usual signs of shilling. Do we get it right every time? Absolutely not. Are their obvious patterns to incentivized reviews that we see over and over again? Without a doubt, often as if they're following a script. An adage I've become quite fond of in daily life over the last several years is "I've seen this movie before", it has an amazing way of being apropos in countless situations on a daily basis, and shill posts/reviews are a salient example.
There has been a clear rule prohibiting shilling on this forum since the day it was launched. It should be no mystery to anyone at this point. I'm sorry if you or anyone else disagrees with that policy, but it's not going to change. It's important to me that reviews posted here be honest and sincere, without outside bias or incentive, and ultimately help the community. I'm confident that our approach does the best job of keeping things as fair as they can be given the nature of this hobby and an internet forum in general.
rsmith
GLP-1 Enthusiast
It's not true of course. It's just another of many inflammatory rumors camouflaged as a legitimate question which it almost certainly isn't. Post some evidence or keep it to yourself is my motto.
Both of you need to let it go and move on.
rsmith
GLP-1 Enthusiast
started out in the scene pretending to be based in China?
That's a lie. Produce evidence or admit you're a liar.
I'm about to ban a bunch of people from this thread, and maybe even hand out some broader week long bans if everyone doesn't start treating each other more respectfully, including the guy who you're calling a liar who I will confirm is not lying about that matter.
rsmith
GLP-1 Enthusiast
someone making a point to rub it in the face of the very customers whose patronage is generating the profit.
Show the evidence or else it will apparently be a lie that you probably read on Reddit.
