byefatlicia
GLP-1 Enthusiast
It's almost like they want to keep you uninformed. And like there's some level of loyalty because you don't have knowledge to do it any other way...
Its begun...gray market about to get closer to a shade of black if this continues. Plz dont tell complete strangers to take the clinical doseage...plz
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SeaGypsy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yup, my first and only order of compunded Tirz they informed me of my 2.5mg dose and how many units but absolutely refused to tell me how many mg were in the two vials they sent. Actually told me that it wasn't important to just take the recommended dosage following the titration 🤷♀️
unclebuff702
GLP-1 Apprentice
Would also be shocked at how little these telemed NPs and RNs actually know about what they are prescribing to people.
Before going grey I was sourcing from a medspa where I know the NP and I was educating her on the dosing and different GLPs. They are just slinging meds for profit with a license to protect them, the don't give a damn about you (us). They just use a checklist for red flags and write scripts and get paid.
The whole pharma industry is a ponzi scheme lol
woundcarping
GLP-1 Specialist
I don’t know what the first part means, but that’s fine.
I’ve never seen any meaningful data or conversation of freezer stored lypholilized vials not lasting. I’m more concerned with vial degradation causing peptide issues.
I’m not opposed to buying a freezer, but if I’m that serious, I might as well buy two for redundancy. Jano says or implies the advantage of -40° is negligible compared to 0°.
Efficacy isn’t a light switch, usually. If in 40 years my tirz has degraded 50% in the sealed vials in the freezer, I could, in some theories, increase my dose to restore efficacy. If I don’t have the peptide, I can’t take any dose.
byefatlicia
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Agree. And sometimes even PCPs are much the same in regards to the "slinging" and "garden variety fuckery" (phrase stolen from @randompersonrandom
unclebuff702
GLP-1 Apprentice
This is the best thing about running your own research and trials. You won't know until you know. This is exactly how I think about it. I'd rather have some at a potential lower efficacy when I need it than have none at all because big pharma says I can't.
Great points and I will keep them in mind...i probably will end up getting more than 5 years becasue like i mentioned jack3d, I know its only a matter of time before they ban it! Jack3d wasnt even battling big pharma the way these GLPs are so I really think its just a matter of time....at least for it to be as "easy" as it is now.
First part is just me being a little sensitive from a previous post LOL I was on probation and couldnt post in the testing group at the time....so posted a pretty basic testing question on my introduction post and got dragged the tiniest amount possible for not using the search bar LOL same deal here. I cant find a consensus on storage and wanna post a thread about long term storage....and peoples personal experience. BUT i can easily google that and search in here and find answers...but theyre all over the place
appreciate the replies. Im gonna buy more than 5 years worth for sure the more im thinking about it
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
my favorite thing today is a thread where people are talking about how scattered new people with zero context and zero idea of how things work are going to get peptides moved from grey to black, and then scattered new people with zero context and zero idea of how things work on the forum itself suddenly run in and start yelling random questions into the void. And no one answers them, because Donnie, you're out of your element.
wow. i now have a favorite person on this forum 🫡
BNLFL
GLP-1 Specialist
I just re-added including the GB stuff I,m waiting for. At our current use, wife and I at 8mg each. It's 17 years, and I know of 2 kits I want to buy.
lastresort
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Kids should be off drugs, period. That is unless you are formally diagnosed.
coach chickpea
GLP-1 Apprentice
Best post yet!
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
Just cause you were a good sport, the answer to your question is "it depends." You may need to increase your dose if you've already taken a look at your calorie intake, are making sure to get a reasonable amount of exercise, and are just having a terrible time getting to a point where you can eat less than you expend. and if your dose wasn't the max recommended yet, then it might be fine to go up. But you should read more about how the clinical trials did it, and keep reading in the forum for what other people's experiences with reta are and were.
myboysherman
GLP-1 Apprentice
So this is a story about a preventable medical error and a patient who lacked the confidence to trust her own judgement. The whole dumb ordinary scenario plays out hundreds of thousands of times per year. GLP errors are only becoming more common because GLPs are becoming more common.
There is zero newsworthy aspect of this story. As much as I hate journalists, this story was almost certainly scripted, filmed, and tossed into a can at a Pharma backed PR firm and delivered as a finished product to NBC. It's a "video news release" and it's just NBC's gift to the advertisers. Everyone involved should be blasted into the sun.
And yes, I agree with the OP's point. News outlets are completely unsalvageable and their sponsors are threatened, but they will probably win and wreck compounding. Gray may a tougher nut for them to crack, but it's surely next on their list.
There is zero newsworthy aspect of this story. As much as I hate journalists, this story was almost certainly scripted, filmed, and tossed into a can at a Pharma backed PR firm and delivered as a finished product to NBC. It's a "video news release" and it's just NBC's gift to the advertisers. Everyone involved should be blasted into the sun.
And yes, I agree with the OP's point. News outlets are completely unsalvageable and their sponsors are threatened, but they will probably win and wreck compounding. Gray may a tougher nut for them to crack, but it's surely next on their list.
Mr. Blonde
GLP-1 Enthusiast
This is why I get my dosage suggestions from the one and only Tracy.
myboysherman
GLP-1 Apprentice
Because I'm now mad on the internet, I'll just add two more cents:
There is no being careful here. There could be a total of zero people harmed. The only story is that compounders cut into profits. So if they need to show dead puppies, they will show dead puppies even if somebody on Madison Avenue has to poison a few. "It's not about what they say it's about."
That's probably only one cent.
There is no being careful here. There could be a total of zero people harmed. The only story is that compounders cut into profits. So if they need to show dead puppies, they will show dead puppies even if somebody on Madison Avenue has to poison a few. "It's not about what they say it's about."
That's probably only one cent.
wildweasel
GLP-1 Apprentice
That video legitimately made me angry watching it.
Not a single 15 second portion passed without me feeling subtle anger at the way NBC was misleading in how it reported this event and whos fault it is that it happened.
Mochi Health said to take this much.
Mochi Health caused this, not some mystery toxin in her Ozempic.
Not a single 15 second portion passed without me feeling subtle anger at the way NBC was misleading in how it reported this event and whos fault it is that it happened.
Her fucking prescriber, Mochi Health, is the one at fault for not properly managing her dose. This isnt the fault of a generic medication or the compounding pharmacy that provided a generic option.
Mochi Health said to take this much.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. Stop the presses. this is that HARD HITTING journalism right there. That real Pultizer shit.
Mochi Health did this.
I have never wanted to punch a reporter so bad in my life.
She didnt fucking get a hypoglycemic episode because of what else were in her meds, she experienced a hypoglycemic episode because she was put on too large of a dose given her other medical conditions.
Mochi Health caused this, not some mystery toxin in her Ozempic.
Damn fucking straight! Mochi Health did this to you lady, not the compunding pharmacy giving you a less expensive generic form of Ozempic saving you money.. it is Mochi Health's fault for overprescribing the dose in a new patient. dont blame the fucking compounding pharmacy for giving the lady a less expensive option to purchase the medicine, blame the people who said to take too much.
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byefatlicia
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Exactly this 🔼 And I will also say... You'll never see a story about how lives are being saved on the other side of the grey equation.
wileyhorse
GLP-1 Apprentice
I recommend posting this in the Retatrutide thread, which is more relevant, as your question is unlikely to get answered in this one.
wildweasel
GLP-1 Apprentice
coach chickpea
GLP-1 Apprentice
Thank u, im fairly new here so trying to navigate.
sheilarae74
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I personally am going to wait and see how things go with people researching Eloralintide in the real world before I stock up on too many years of reta. I'd really hate to spend thousands when there are things coming down the pipeline in the future that will most likely be 100x better.
lessthanhalf
GLP-1 Specialist
Irrespective of the causes of the overdose in the original video, overdoses from grey peptides are actually common. There are quite a few scientific papers on it and reports from poisons information centers etc. Just from this forum I have seen several.
Most of the people using grey peptides do not have the background education to use injectable medicines safely, but most do teach themselves, but many just go ahead with little idea of how to calculate doses accurately, and simple errors like a factor of ten error in doses is just so easy to do. And the doses of GLP's are not really very tolerant to errors, twice the dose has a fair chance of making you feel unwell and ten times has a good chance of needing medical attention for the persistent nausea and vomiting.
Some of the attention paid to this is no doubt coming from the drug companies trying to make grey peptides seem less safe, but the problem is also a real one.
Most of the people using grey peptides do not have the background education to use injectable medicines safely, but most do teach themselves, but many just go ahead with little idea of how to calculate doses accurately, and simple errors like a factor of ten error in doses is just so easy to do. And the doses of GLP's are not really very tolerant to errors, twice the dose has a fair chance of making you feel unwell and ten times has a good chance of needing medical attention for the persistent nausea and vomiting.
Some of the attention paid to this is no doubt coming from the drug companies trying to make grey peptides seem less safe, but the problem is also a real one.
When I see these young kids doing peptides I really think in my head "WHY?!?!" almost every time....almost. If you are morbidly obese and really of the deep end, I get it since you literally might die otherwise. But man, seeing chubby dudes/women who look like theyre in theyre early 20s stacking their peps deep and doing all kinds of things....I kinda feel bad for them. Cuz they dont need it now imo considering the human body at that age...so what are they gonna do when they get old and really start having deficits/issues that peptides can improve? Cant imagine the peps will hit the same if theyre long time users.
that whole "limitless" idea, and improvements in scientific knowledge of today has some of this generation thinking drugs are a must. sad deal imo....but im kinda in a glass house since im on it and not prescribed myself
Thats my worry, I felt this was more about negligence than it was about GLPs....and thats not at all how this was spun up for the masses who dont know better. if they are doing things like this now....what will news reports be like is if a pretty college cheerleader, who had just got accepted into medical school to become a surgeon ends up genuinely hurting herself, or GLPs are adjacent to why she hurt herself happens? Oh they'll light the world on fire with a poster child like that.
woundcarping
GLP-1 Specialist
I’m 24 weeks in and something like 14-20 weeks from my target range (driven by body fat percentage aesthetics).
After that the plan is to reduce my dose to find the stable maintence dose. Assuming the lack of sides I have now persists into my maintenance dose, I struggle to see why I’d be overly interested in rocking the boat.
I’m not opposed to having a variety of alternate options on hand, but the latest and greatest weight loss drug seems irrelevant when you’re not trying to lose weight.
wildweasel
GLP-1 Apprentice
Well said.
I hope that once people reach their target weight they can take advantage of their new life and maintain the reduced eating habits they had while on a glp1, or take advantage of their new body and adopt healthy exercise routines which they couldn’t have before
Additionally… as long as what’s in the freezer is “good enough” who needs the latest one that is 10x more potent
sheilarae74
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'm still going to wait. There might be something even better for maintenance down the road.
But that doesn't mean I will pass up a good gb for anything worthwhile when I see it. I have a big chest freezer in the garage. 🤣
I haven't gone down the rabbit hole...but isnt it really expensive? I really haven't researched it at all and just saw it mentioned a few times and most all those times the cost was mentioned. Or is that temporary and kinda how it goes in the early stages, and then they become more affordable like Tirz and reta prices are today?
sheilarae74
GLP-1 Enthusiast
It's really expensive now because everybody wants it. I heard some vendors got 700-800 people on a waiting list. I think eventually things will calm down enough for it to be affordable once the dust settles.
rkbleddyn
GLP-1 Apprentice
I use my dr. for peptides and TRT. I get the T from a compounding pharmacy, he just writes the script and they disclose the exact dosage. My dr. gets my Tirz compounded and tells me the exact dosage. I buy other peptides of course from grey, but they also disclose the peptide amounts and I reconstitute that, so still know exact dosage. No way I am buying anything without dosage, that would drive m crazy.
