KLOW research

peptideusername said:
Who the hell is Chase Irons? Sounds like a golf caddy or a porn star.
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Youtuber who sells/promotes peps... for money...while feigning he's just a body builder.
Nowhere near as obnoxious as the great and unquestionable "Dr" Trevor with his 35+ minute rants insulting anyone and everyone who dares challenge his unfathomable brilliance.
I guess it works for him. He's making bank. I just can't take his "I know more than you do so... nah nah nah nah nah" AND I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE (lmao), a hole attitude.
 
These supposed MD, DO, and CP doctors on social media spewing strong options as fact do nothing to advance the community. In fact thy endanger it by misinformation, unqualified opinion, and spotlighting compounds and vendors. It’s a one way track to dangerous to users and over regulation. They will not break the market open for free use or approval.

Come at me with peer reviewed RCTs, or quantified personal experiences or case studies. But stating a strong personal opinion as fact and speaking in absolutes is simply a sales tactic to exploit cognitive biases. An effective one at that. “Take this substance from this vendor only in this manner because I say so! I don’t care about the haters, they’re wrong! I won’t even defend myself against them they’re so wrong!” Seems to be the whole sum of these scripts. At least the ones I’ve seen.

What do you know? How do you know it? That’s the recipe for data transmission that is useful and verifiable. …but then I suppose this is just my strong opinion in the end! 🤣🤦‍♂️
 
JoonyO said:
Youtuber who sells/promotes peps... for money...while feigning he's just a body builder.
Nowhere near as obnoxious as the great and unquestionable "Dr" Trevor with his 35+ minute rants insulting anyone and everyone who dares challenge his unfathomable brilliance.
I guess it works for him. He's making bank. I just can't take his "I know more than you do so... nah nah nah nah nah" AND I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE (lmao), a hole attitude.
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JoonyO said:
Youtuber who sells/promotes peps... for money...while feigning he's just a body builder.
Nowhere near as obnoxious as the great and unquestionable "Dr" Trevor with his 35+ minute rants insulting anyone and everyone who dares challenge his unfathomable brilliance.
I guess it works for him. He's making bank. I just can't take his "I know more than you do so... nah nah nah nah nah" AND I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE (lmao), a hole attitude.
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He sure is a special kind of person 😂
You always have to fastforward his videos until the last 10 minutes. Thats when the good information comes.
 
Rockybalboa said:
He sure is a special kind of person 😂
You always have to fastforward his videos until the last 10 minutes. Thats when the good information comes.
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When he was on you tube you could just scroll through the transcript to find what you needed a little quicker, lol
 
I reconstituted some 50/10/10/10 KLOW with 3mL BAC and dosed 0.15 mL to deliver
GHK-Cu: ~2.5 mg
BPC-157: ~500 mcg
TB-500: ~500 mcg
KPV: ~500 mcg

I’ll say that the GHK-Cu hurts like crazy. Some describe it as a wasp sting, but my experience isn’t as pleasant as a wasp sting. Some react more than others, so YMMV. For me, it lasts a full 24 hours. I hate to point anyone to the dumpster fire that is Reddit, but if you search for doctordup2, that user has lots of great comments from >20 years of research and has developed an administration protocol that definitely helps with those who have more of an ISR.

I’m personally undecided as to whether or not I’ll continue after my current supply is finished. Good luck with your research!
 
hexagonal said:
Which would be... not KLOW, which is what this thread is about.

The blend in discussion contains these by definition.
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Fugayzi, fugazi. It's a whazy. It's a woozie. It's fairy dust. It doesn't exist.

It's just a made up name, the original anele protocol was bpc and ghk

the bpc was only added to be a mass cell stabilizer so that the ghk would not burn when injecting.

Same for tb ( maybe you get some hair benefits if it's TB4 and not TB500 )

You can replace the two with KPV if you have a history of cancer. You still get the skin benefits.

It's all about ghk, that gives most of the benefits.

If you want something else you can buy wolverine ( bpc/tb ) ar tri-heal ( bpc/tb/kpv ) but when you talk klow or glow you are talking ghk.
 
Dos-Dox said:
I reconstituted some 50/10/10/10 KLOW with 3mL BAC and dosed 0.15 mL to deliver
GHK-Cu: ~2.5 mg
BPC-157: ~500 mcg
TB-500: ~500 mcg
KPV: ~500 mcg

I’ll say that the GHK-Cu hurts like crazy. Some describe it as a wasp sting, but my experience isn’t as pleasant as a wasp sting. Some react more than others, so YMMV. For me, it lasts a full 24 hours. I hate to point anyone to the dumpster fire that is Reddit, but if you search for doctordup2, that user has lots of great comments from >20 years of research and has developed an administration protocol that definitely helps with those who have more of an ISR.

I’m personally undecided as to whether or not I’ll continue after my current supply is finished. Good luck with your research!
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I do use some of the tricks to help and they do.. I reconned with much more bac water. I use a lower dose. I apply a lidocaine cream ten mins before pin, and I have a Benadryl cream ready for after if needed. I only pin to upper hip area which seems to have less nerves and more fat.
I test with a light touch to check if its a sensitive spot or not, until I find a spot where I dont feel and it just goes in, then I inject slowly..to let it flow without trauma. Lately I have no pain when I find the right spot, and zero bruising. some slight pain in the area afterward, that goes away quickly. I wish you luck.
 
desinr-gal said:
I do use some of the tricks to help and they do.. I reconned with much more bac water. I use a lower dose. I apply a lidocaine cream ten mins before pin, and I have a Benadryl cream ready for after if needed. I only pin to upper hip area which seems to have less nerves and more fat.
I test with a light touch to check if its a sensitive spot or not, until I find a spot where I dont feel and it just goes in, then I inject slowly..to let it flow without trauma. Lately I have no pain when I find the right spot, and zero bruising. some slight pain in the area afterward, that goes away quickly. I wish you luck.
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The only problem that I can see with adding more bac water is that there isn't room in the vial these come in. That creates a whole other list of steps required to go with more bac water.

I saw something online talking about doing injections less than 5 ml per location three times to get to the 12 units (If you're reconstituting with 3ml bac water). Something about those smaller amounts being the magic amount where histamines aren't responding to the scene of the crime.

I was thinking about maybe using only 1ml of backwater next time I reconstitute our next vial. This would allow us to do five units to get the same amount of peptide in our system. I wonder if that would make things sting worse or less though.
 
ostrichsak said:
The only problem that I can see with adding more bac water is that there isn't room in the vial these come in. That creates a whole other list of steps required to go with more bac water.

I saw something online talking about doing injections less than 5 ml per location three times to get to the 12 units (If you're reconstituting with 3ml bac water). Something about those smaller amounts being the magic amount where histamines aren't responding to the scene of the crime.

I was thinking about maybe using only 1ml of backwater next time I reconstitute our next vial. This would allow us to do five units to get the same amount of peptide in our system. I wonder if that would make things sting worse or less though.
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I bought bigger sterile vials, and I filter into those. You start by recon with 1-2ml into pep vial, then transfer into a sterile vial, I filter the recon into that new vial. The last time I used a total of 6ml bac into KLOW 80, and split into 2, 3ml cartridges. I am using pens to pin.
Many people say yes the concentration does affect the sting.
 
desinr-gal said:
I bought bigger sterile vials, and I filter into those. You start by recon with 1-2ml into pep vial, then transfer into a sterile vial, I filter the recon into that new vial. The last time I used a total of 6ml bac into KLOW 80, and split into 2, 3ml cartridges. I am using pens to pin.
Many people say yes the concentration does affect the sting.
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Like I said, a whole other list of steps. I know that some say that more Bac water can mean less sting. What I'm also saying is that some say that the total volume being above 5ml per inj site can also impact the sting. What I'm saying is that I don't know if the inverse is true as well. In other words, higher concentration (less Bac water to reconstitute) but less total volume per injection per site. That's the part I don't know is if it's low enough volume at a certain point (even at higher concentration) to also not trigger the histamine response.
 
Dos-Dox said:
I reconstituted some 50/10/10/10 KLOW with 3mL BAC and dosed 0.15 mL to deliver
GHK-Cu: ~2.5 mg
BPC-157: ~500 mcg
TB-500: ~500 mcg
KPV: ~500 mcg

I’ll say that the GHK-Cu hurts like crazy. Some describe it as a wasp sting, but my experience isn’t as pleasant as a wasp sting. Some react more than others, so YMMV. For me, it lasts a full 24 hours. I hate to point anyone to the dumpster fire that is Reddit, but if you search for doctordup2, that user has lots of great comments from >20 years of research and has developed an administration protocol that definitely helps with those who have more of an ISR.

I’m personally undecided as to whether or not I’ll continue after my current supply is finished. Good luck with your research!
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Wow, does it seriously hurt that bad? I'm dosing the same as you but did recon with 2ml PBS and it's not that painful at all, any sting is very minimal if I notice it.
 
The short answer is: It differs from person to person.

One person may notice nothing and this seems to be fairly common (although I found data from one clinician who reported only ~5% according to their data set of their extensive RS group) and others report significant discomfort/pain. The same source reported ~50% RS quit due to this reason so one can conclude that it must have been fairly significant for them.

The important thing to note is that it's likely the GHK-Cu that is causing the pain for most. The felt stinging/itching/discomfort is a histamine response to that peptide. The stack was created largely to help reduce the sting. I think much of the data I found was more about the use of GHK-Cu by itself as it's something that's been used for quite a few years now. The Glow/Klow stacks are a relatively new thing gaining popularity. I think these stacks do help so the negative reports have been lessened, not eliminated.

My personal data (anecdotal as it may be) is that I do have the injection site pain from Klow-80 injections (dose: 2mg GHK-Cu daily). I'm not terribly surprised though because I also had a similar reaction to Test injections sub-q in my belly. Prior to this, it may be important to note that I'm not allergic to anything nor have I had an allergy response to anything in my nearly 5 decades on earth. Everyone is different. I ended up finding that my thighs offered a better experience for test specifically. (I also made a transition from seed oil based solution to MCT which also seemed to help)

My wife, on the other hand, had a much lower response to Klow-80 injections same dose. Her discomfort was only very very minor but it was still there. We both found that injecting in our love handle area was far better for injection site pain. Straight out 90deg and then either higher or lower depending on the day/rotations. She even tested sub-Q injections in her thighs and also found this to be a good spot for her. Since I already use my thighs for test injections I opted to stick with my mid section for peptides.

In our testing, I may try the 1ml to inject less volume method the next time. I have my doubts though as typically people report lowered sting from MORE bac water, not less. I'm hoping that the decreased volume method I found from one clinician works for us. If not, it's easy to transfer the contents of said vial to a larger sterile vile, adding more bac water and going to the other side of the scale in terms of dilution as others have reported dilution helps too.

Like all of this stuff, it's all testing. Use scientific method to gather others success/failure stories, form your own theories and models and then monitor personal results. Adjust as necessary and document along the way. Share your findings with the community when possible.
 
desinr-gal said:
I only pin to upper hip area
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Total agreement with that. Upper hip/love handle to top of glute area and I get little to no sting or any other isr. I started at inner thigh, which I'd seen as a recommended area to pin, it leaves me with a red welt about the size of a quarter and some irritating sensations that I don't equate with pain, but I know something is going there. I guess I'm one of the luckier ones in that the reactions are mild, other than moving injection site, I don't do anything special....no extra bac, lido, etc.
 
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