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I don't know if this is an issue with the klow but I think it is. My rat decided to buy a single vial of klow before it committed to a full kit. My rat also is only taking it every other day in the evening. The next morning the rat wakes up feeling like death. Its head hurts, its nauseous, and sleeps off and on all day. For the record its not a napper and it is bad enough it has missed work. I don't think this is normal. The mix is the klow 80 with 3 ml bac water and injecting 15 u every other evening. Just looking for advice. Thanks
 
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Cypress said:
I don't know if this is an issue with the klow but I think it is. My rat decided to buy a single vial of klow before it committed to a full kit. My rat also is only taking it every other day in the evening. The next morning the rat wakes up feeling like death. Its head hurts, its nauseous, and sleeps off and on all day. For the record its not a napper and it is bad enough it has missed work. I don't think this is normal. The mix is the klow 80 with 3 ml bac water and injecting 15 u every other evening. Just looking for advice. Thanks
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Oh crud. Sorry to hear this. WHICH color cap does your vial have? I have KLOW on order. I am SURE you are not supposed to feel this way. I am doing a wolverine stack every other day for a knee/calf tear and feel much better each morning. Did you read the COA from your sourcing? Please let us know WHO it was, you can spell it out one letter at a time down, i.e.,
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Definitely sounds bad, and I don't want to suggest you shouldn't be concerned!
Just pointing out that lots of people sleep badly after pinning that pep combo in the evening (I think it's the BPC specifically), and I personally had to switch to mornings because I wan't getting any deep sleep at all and was waking up sweaty and needing to pee five times a night.
Your day-after feelings sound like probably more than just bad sleep, but maybe a possibility.
 
SoCalGirl said:
Oh crud. Sorry to hear this. WHICH color cap does your vial have? I have KLOW on order. I am SURE you are not supposed to feel this way. I am doing a wolverine stack every other day for a knee/calf tear and feel much better each morning. Did you read the COA from your sourcing? Please let us know WHO it was, you can spell it out one letter at a time down, i.e.,
D
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Definitely sounds bad, and I don't want to suggest you shouldn't be concerned!
Just pointing out that lots of people sleep badly after pinning that pep combo in the evening (I think it's the BPC specifically), and I personally had to switch to mornings because I wan't getting any deep sleep at all and was waking up sweaty and needing to pee five times a night.
Your day-after feelings sound like probably more than just bad sleep, but maybe a possibility.
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Cypress said:
I don't know if this is an issue with the klow but I think it is. My rat decided to buy a single vial of klow before it committed to a full kit. My rat also is only taking it every other day in the evening. The next morning the rat wakes up feeling like death. Its head hurts, its nauseous, and sleeps off and on all day. For the record its not a napper and it is bad enough it has missed work. I don't think this is normal. The mix is the klow 80 with 3 ml bac water and injecting 15 u every other evening. Just looking for advice. Thanks
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I thought the only people pinning rats were on reddit. Around here everyone uses this stuff on humans. 😉
 
I stopped the klow and started feeling better. I figure it must have been something in it.
 
I always start with lower doses. For KLOW (mixed same way) first dose was 3units, next day 6 units for couple of days, then 9, then 12, then got to target dose of 15. It burned little bit in the beginning, sometimes up to 12 hours, then got used to it. Also took 50mg zinc every other day.
 
I take 2.67mg of KLOW every morning. I would try taking it in the morning instead of mid day or night…
 
FRMN01 said:
I always start with lower doses. For KLOW (mixed same way) first dose was 3units, next day 6 units for couple of days, then 9, then 12, then got to target dose of 15. It burned little bit in the beginning, sometimes up to 12 hours, then got used to it. Also took 50mg zinc every other day.
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I just wanted to thank you. I switched it up and still feel good. I'm taking it every day but only 5 units. Later will try to increase the amount, but for this last week its is working.
 
Cypress said:
I just wanted to thank you. I switched it up and still feel good. I'm taking it every day but only 5 units. Later will try to increase the amount, but for this last week its is working.
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I'm going to have to try that, because now I KNOW what 10 IU feels like. I started today and pinned at 3 pm. I even did two mini-pins of 5 IU each about an inch apart because I heard that works better. 6 hours later it's still a pain in my side. My body is saying, The Stuff you pinned was BLUE, what did you think was gonna happen?? I thought the KPV and BPC would help reduce any SR but no dice. I'm going to work up to it more slowly.
 
Chili777 said:
I'm going to have to try that, because now I KNOW what 10 IU feels like. I started today and pinned at 3 pm. I even did two mini-pins of 5 IU each about an inch apart because I heard that works better. 6 hours later it's still a pain in my side. My body is saying, The Stuff you pinned was BLUE, what did you think was gonna happen?? I thought the KPV and BPC would help reduce any SR but no dice. I'm going to work up to it more slowly.
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GHQ is very painful for me, but I have a few things that helped.
Room temperature syringe
Upper glutes (No pinching needed, just do it)
Add additional BAC water. I add 3-4 units of BAC before pulling my dose to water it down
You can also try using a hand massager on the pin location.
 
Occindemure said:
GHQ is very painful for me, but I have a few things that helped.
Room temperature syringe
Upper glutes (No pinching needed, just do it)
Add additional BAC water. I add 3-4 units of BAC before pulling my dose to water it down
You can also try using a hand massager on the pin location.
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Good suggestions. I can still feel it today and have red welts on my love handles where I thought it would be ok pin. Nope.
 
Wait, I just got some KLOW literally today...it hurts when you pin it? I didn't realize that was a ubiquitous side effect.
 
BlatantlyObviousXL said:
Wait, I just got some KLOW literally today...it hurts when you pin it? I didn't realize that was a ubiquitous side effect.
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When I first started I got red welts that would bruise for over a week, regardless of what I did to mitigate it. Now it seems as if my body has adapted and I don’t get much reaction to it anymore.
 
I was just going to ask basically the same thing. I pin 5 units mid afternoon. I pinned in my thigh today. I am doing Monday Wednesday and Friday. My problem is my abdomin hurts around and under my ribs. I've taken a total of 5. I'm taking after a hardware removal from tib fib fracture. Not sure if this is normal.
 
Thanks for all the replies. Gives me some clarity and will the caboose if things aren't bueno like anhydrous said. LOL
 
Troposphere said:
I've been very lucky with KLOW. No pain or bruising. I'm 23 days into using it and I've noticed a big improvement in a knee injury I've had for a year and a half.
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I'm going to start Klow in a week or so. Very much hoping it helps with me patella tendonitis and tennis elbow. Do you inject at or near me the sites? Or just abdomen etc for systemic relief.
 
thorien said:
I'm going to start Klow in a week or so. Very much hoping it helps with me patella tendonitis and tennis elbow. Do you inject at or near me the sites? Or just abdomen etc for systemic relief.
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I've been alternating between the top of each thigh, just a couple inches below my waist. I read someone else's post about the abdomen was a no go for them due to pain, and the thigh was ok. So I just winged it and chose that spot. I get no stinging or pain, but I do get a hint of bruising.

I don't place much value on injecting near the injury based on what I've read so far.
Edit to add: I've been dealing with golfer's elbow through all of this. I have two pieces of advice for elbow tendinitis: 1. Get a Flex Bar and do the Tyler Twist rehab exercise. 2. Sleep on your back with your arms at your sides to get the best blood flow to them during sleep. I know the second idea seems silly, but I can tell a difference when I do this.
 
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I also do not inject near the injury and it still works for me..
 
Cypress said:
I don't know if this is an issue with the klow but I think it is. My rat decided to buy a single vial of klow before it committed to a full kit. My rat also is only taking it every other day in the evening. The next morning the rat wakes up feeling like death. Its head hurts, its nauseous, and sleeps off and on all day. For the record its not a napper and it is bad enough it has missed work. I don't think this is normal. The mix is the klow 80 with 3 ml bac water and injecting 15 u every other evening. Just looking for advice. Thanks
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Howdy, i mix the same as you are, injecting 15 u daily in the morning just after i wake up. I am luck that i don't get the sting like a lot report. also have NADS+ at the same time, set me up for a day.
maybe try a morning dose for your rat
 
I'm kinda curious, I see people talking about units with no reference to how they reconstituted. I just received some Klow, because frankly I have already been doing 2 of the 3 so why not bundle it. My instinct is to go off a typical GHK doing regimen using it as the baseline. Is that a recommended way to go, or does the additionals make a readjustment necessary? Also, where do most of you go for "reliable" information about the different peptides. I have a couple sources that I will refer to, but I often run into differing protocol recommendations, etc. I really appreciate any insight from the community about this.
Thanks
 
Occindemure said:
GHQ is very painful for me, but I have a few things that helped.
Room temperature syringe
Upper glutes (No pinching needed, just do it)
Add additional BAC water. I add 3-4 units of BAC before pulling my dose to water it down
You can also try using a hand massager on the pin location.
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Good advice.. I did all this with the exception of extra BAC. The game changer for me was switching to 1/2inch pin from 5/16inch.

Seems like the little bit of added depth helps the pep evade some of the mast cells that cause ISRs. At least in my experience.
 
I finally found the combo the works for me with KLOW. I reconned with 3 mg BAC, transfer it to a 10 mL sterile vial, add 6 more mL BAC and 1 mL of lido. I use 31g 5/16" syringes. I want 15 IU (2.5 mg) total so I adjust to 45 IU, based on concentration. The lido takes away a little from that, but close enough. I still get a bit of an ache after a couple hours, but it's quite tolerable. I can do this now. 💪
 
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