Legal chat: Are we co-conspirators?

Is anyone familiar with the prosecutorial practices of the various United States Attorneys located throughout our nation? I am. I actually wrote out a response that was really damn long, with all kinds of hypotheticals, but I just deleted it because there is really no point even in discussing it. The practical reality is this: federal prosecutors do not handle small cases. What is a small case is open to some interpretation, but in many jurisdictions, the threshold for financial loss is $100k before they want to get involved. Small-time drug dealers are not on their radar and won't ever be. No US Attorney will ever prosecute someone for buying Chinese peptides on the Internet for individual use, even if that US Attorney can cook up a legal theory that might actually work.
I have so many questions, all of which would probably show that all of my legal knowledge comes from television and James Patterson novels.

My thought would be, could EL or NN try to argue, with the prices being upwards of 1k/mo, that people selling are stealing money people would have spent with them?

Big companies can be petty. Like with the whole Disney arguing that a case has to go through arbitration because someone used Disney plus thing.
 
I like how none of the self-disclosed attorneys have not responded to this thread.
I’m not a criminal lawyer. I’m not familiar with US criminal law (or Canadian, for that matter). If anyone wants to talk about how to expropriate a property or how to appeal a land use decision made by city council, I’m your girl. But I don’t participate in discussions about the law unless I can add something to it.

I also just feel like I talk about the law 40-70 hours a week and like to spend my free time/time off thinking about anything else lmao.
 
I have so many questions, all of which would probably show that all of my legal knowledge comes from television and James Patterson novels.

My thought would be, could EL or NN try to argue, with the prices being upwards of 1k/mo, that people selling are stealing money people would have spent with them?

Big companies can be petty. Like with the whole Disney arguing that a case has to go through arbitration because someone used Disney plus thing.
EL or NN could attempt to get federal authorities to pursue criminal charges against people for a variety of things, but I have a hard time believing that many prosecutors would be moved by their arguments or pleas. Their remedies are purely civil, and I am quite certain that they will continue to pursue them, probably with increased vigor if they believe that it's in their financial interest to do that.
 
I’m not a criminal lawyer. I’m not familiar with US criminal law (or Canadian, for that matter). If anyone wants to talk about how to expropriate a property or how to appeal a land use decision made by city council, I’m your girl. But I don’t participate in discussions about the law unless I can add something to it.

I also just feel like I talk about the law 40-70 hours a week and like to spend my free time/time off thinking about anything else lmao.
I'd probably be annoyed if someone started asking me a million questions about my area of expertise in my time off, too.
 
EL or NN could attempt to get federal authorities to pursue criminal charges against people for a variety of things, but I have a hard time believing that many prosecutors would be moved by their arguments or pleas. Their remedies are purely civil, and I am quite certain that they will continue to pursue them, probably with increased vigor if they believe that it's in their financial interest to do that.
I guess that's more what I worry about. Not that they'd be successful with criminal charges, but that they'd financially ruin a lot of people via frivolous litigation.
 
I have so many questions, all of which would probably show that all of my legal knowledge comes from television and James Patterson novels.

My thought would be, could EL or NN try to argue, with the prices being upwards of 1k/mo, that people selling are stealing money people would have spent with them?

Big companies can be petty. Like with the whole Disney arguing that a case has to go through arbitration because someone used Disney plus thing.
As with the case of that Disney mayhem, that would end up as a civil case, not a criminal case. Could EL or NN come after the sellers for loss of profit and duping their research? Maybe, but they haven't really yet, so I would say they don't have a case or don't care enough.

My legal knowledge is ALSO lacking, so I don't say this as an absolute, but I am pretty sure only the government can prosecute a criminal case. So as @YoYoFat says, the government does not seem to give a shit about non violent buyers of grey market supplements.
 
I guess that's more what I worry about. Not that they'd be successful with criminal charges, but that they'd financially ruin a lot of people via frivolous litigation.
They certainly have the financial resources to ruin plenty of people and businesses, but that comes at a cost to them, as well. The real goal is to frighten everyone and discourage people from doing things that will hurt them financially.
 
They certainly have the financial resources to ruin plenty of people and businesses, but that comes at a cost to them, as well. The real goal is to frighten everyone and discourage people from doing things that will hurt them financially.
I guess that's more what I worry about. Not that they'd be successful with criminal charges, but that they'd financially ruin a lot of people via frivolous litigation.
I mean despite the whole "we will bankrupt you in court costs" mantra shtick, you do actually need to have a legitimate case against someone to even start a civil suit.

Judges WILL throw out frivolous lawsuits.


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I mean even if you buy peptides over your whole life, NN and EL have only a claim to a few of them, and even then, the mixture we buy on grey market is NOT the same as what EL and NN produce. I really don't personally think there is much of a case for them. And I just dont see how a court is going to let a company go after a buyer of a product, thats not where the liability lies in the transcation, the only target they could go after would be the sellers I would think.

I mean we have no contract with EL or NN, no agreements, hell most of us probably dont even have prescriptions for NN or EL products.
 
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Actually this brings up an interesting question for me. Does the US have private prosecutions?

We have them here but they are notoriously difficult to advance. Basically a private citizen can swear an information against a legal entity and attempt to prosecute them themselves. I’ve attempted a few (I worked for a crazy guy at one point) and I’m pretty sure none of them ever got past the first couple of steps and there was zero chance of success. I believe the Crown would get involved at some point to determine if they wanted to take over the prosecution but that NEVER happened. I never got past the discovery stage I don’t think.
 
Actually this brings up an interesting question for me. Does the US have private prosecutions?

We have them here but they are notoriously difficult to advance. Basically a private citizen can swear an information against a legal entity and attempt to prosecute them themselves. I’ve attempted a few (I worked for a crazy guy at one point) and I’m pretty sure none of them ever got past the first couple of steps and there was zero chance of success. I believe the Crown would get involved at some point to determine if they wanted to take over the prosecution but that NEVER happened. I never got past the discovery stage I don’t think.
I do not know, I could probably google, but I will just say I have literally never heard of anything like that ever. We have some stupid Citizen's Arrest bullshit, but that shit never actually holds up.
 
Actually this brings up an interesting question for me. Does the US have private prosecutions?

We have them here but they are notoriously difficult to advance. Basically a private citizen can swear an information against a legal entity and attempt to prosecute them themselves. I’ve attempted a few (I worked for a crazy guy at one point) and I’m pretty sure none of them ever got past the first couple of steps and there was zero chance of success. I believe the Crown would get involved at some point to determine if they wanted to take over the prosecution but that NEVER happened. I never got past the discovery stage I don’t think.
Private prosecutions under federal law are allowed under certain federal acts, but they are still rare. Many states have banned private prosecutions by law or through case law, but some states still allow some concept of private prosecution, which actually just means that a person can file a complaint, affidavit or other such document with a magistrate who can then decide whether it should proceed. Even then, a public prosecutor then takes over and can do whatever with the case, including tossing it. So, the simple answer is: Mostly no, not in a meaningful way and only in a few rare instances.
 
Private prosecutions under federal law are allowed under certain federal acts, but they are still rare. Many states have banned private prosecutions by law or through case law, but some states still allow some concept of private prosecution, which actually just means that a person can file a complaint, affidavit or other such document with a magistrate who can then decide whether it should proceed. Even then, a public prosecutor then takes over and can do whatever with the case, including tossing it. So, the simple answer is: Mostly no, not in a meaningful way and only in a few rare instances.
Good to know! Sort of similar here. They pretty much never went anywhere but I guess, at least here, someone could throw spaghetti at the wall and try a private prosecution related to glp1s (and likely fail lol).

The most painful civil cases I worked on in my career were against people representing themselves pro se. I think that's probably true for most lawyers who have done some litigation.
Literally the worst. And I went up against pro se individuals all the time and I just absolutely dreaded it. So painful.
 
I've actually won a case against a party represented by trained lawyer 'pro se' - case went to trial and I was representing myself. That was fun. I was the defendant.
 
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idk what you're asking here but that jessica person is a giant scam artist and i root for her to be thrown into a panama gulag every single day i wake up. just an absolute scum bag of a person. preying on the least savvy people (facebook group people) to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in scammed money.
with a known criminal background.
 
I've actually won a case against a party represented by trained lawyer 'pro se' - case went to trial and I was representing myself. That was fun. I was the defendant.
That’s pretty embarrassing for the lawyer!

I don't do litigation anymore, but I was 25-0 versus pro se litigants. Admittedly, some of those litigants were prisoners or half-crazy, or both.
 
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I've actually won a case against a party represented by trained lawyer 'pro se' - case went to trial and I was representing myself. That was fun. I was the defendant.
Good job. A friend of mine, a nonlawyer, defended himself in a civil case. He "lost" in that the plaintiff, represented by the biggest and most expensive law firm in town, managed to secure a verdict for a small amount in damages but a large amount in attorney fees. My friend then represented himself on appeal and managed to have the attorneys fees award overturned. It's rather embarrassing when the biggest law firm in town loses on appeal. In defense of the law firm that lost, I'll acknowledge that my friend was an unusually bright person in a great number of areas including law.
 
That’s pretty embarrassing for the lawyer!

I don't do litigation anymore, but I was 25-0 versus pro se litigants. Admittedly, some of those litigants were prisoners or half-crazy, or both.
Pro se inmates are a PITA to litigate against, not because their claims have merit, but because they bring pure chaos by throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks -- and you still have to respond to it.

Ugh, don't miss that at all.
 

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