Let's talk GLP1's downfall - MUSCLE LOSS

[tul9033]

So you've lost an enormous amount of weight. Have you noticed how much muscle mass you've lost?
Arguably the biggest drawback to GLP-1's is the loss of muscle mass. Many in the healthcare industry are espousing an early death due to GLP-1's rapid weight loss going hand in hand with rapid muscle loss. Older GLP-1 patients losing so much muscle mass they cannot gain back and will no longer be able to support their own body weight as they age.
Let's talk about gaining this muscle mass back. We have some great tools at our disposal: CJC-1295, Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, GH, ABS.
What are you trying and what have been the results?

 

[chipspew]

I noticed this during my weight loss. Now that I am about 75% of the way to goal, I have started adding weightlifting to my treadmill walking. I have noticed quite an improvement already after about 6 weeks of doing resistance training. Weight loss is going slower, but that's probably a good thing.

Looking forward to find out more about various peptides that can help. Thanks for starting this thread.

 

[scarywood75]

So you've lost an enormous amount of weight. Have you noticed how much muscle mass you've lost?
Arguably the biggest drawback to GLP-1's is the loss of muscle mass. Many in the healthcare industry are espousing an early death due to GLP-1's rapid weight loss going hand in hand with rapid muscle loss. Older GLP-1 patients losing so much muscle mass they cannot gain back and will no longer be able to support their own body weight as they age.
Let's talk about gaining this muscle mass back. We have some great tools at our disposal: CJC-1295, Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, GH, ABS.
What are you trying and what have been the results?

Ok, first muscle loss is caused by the rapid weight loss and not by GLP1s directly.

Second, GH in my opinion is not worth it given the risks of misuse and what it does to you.

Tesa and IPA would be safer, Enobosarm seems promising as per https://dom-pubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/doi2.109

 

[hexagonal]

So you've lost an enormous amount of weight. Have you noticed how much muscle mass you've lost?
Arguably the biggest drawback to GLP-1's is the loss of muscle mass. Many in the healthcare industry are espousing an early death due to GLP-1's rapid weight loss going hand in hand with rapid muscle loss. Older GLP-1 patients losing so much muscle mass they cannot gain back and will no longer be able to support their own body weight as they age.
Let's talk about gaining this muscle mass back. We have some great tools at our disposal: CJC-1295, Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, GH, ABS.
What are you trying and what have been the results?

Resistance training and adequate protein intake are enough to stave off muscle loss for most people.

Increasing your IGF-1 might increase the muscle satellite cell proliferation but that won't do much of anything without the resistance training and protein as well.

 

[hexagonal]

Ok, first muscle loss is caused by the rapid weight loss and not by GLP1s directly.

Second, GH in my opinion is not worth it given the risks of misuse and what it does to you.

Tesa and IPA would be safer, Enobosarm seems promising as per https://dom-pubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/doi2.109

Chronically elevated IGF-1 levels from secretagogues will pose the same risks of those levels being reached via exogenous HGH, though.

 

[scarywood75]

Chronically elevated IGF-1 levels from secretagogues will pose the same risks of those levels being reached via exogenous HGH, though.

Yeah of course, all these are just to be taken temporarily

 

[indolent]

spinach

 

[normal]

I hit the gym the whole time I was losing. Best decision.

 

[seeker-seventy-six]

I thought this was a really interesting take on muscle loss with GLP-1s:

2:03:45

Dr. DeFronzo isn’t too worried about lean muscle loss with these meds because, overall, they help people with obesity move more and improve their health in so many ways. The benefits far outweigh the downsides for most people.


Sure, they might not be the best choice for an 80-year-old at high risk for sarcopenia, but for younger people—especially those with prediabetes or type 2 diabetes—these drugs can be game-changers for insulin resistance. As he puts it, food addiction is a huge health concern, and GLP-1s could be a key part of the solution.

 

[keangkong]

So you've lost an enormous amount of weight. Have you noticed how much muscle mass you've lost?
Arguably the biggest drawback to GLP-1's is the loss of muscle mass. Many in the healthcare industry are espousing an early death due to GLP-1's rapid weight loss going hand in hand with rapid muscle loss. Older GLP-1 patients losing so much muscle mass they cannot gain back and will no longer be able to support their own body weight as they age.
Let's talk about gaining this muscle mass back. We have some great tools at our disposal: CJC-1295, Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, GH, ABS.
What are you trying and what have been the results?

The safest effective supplement for increasing strength is creatine. Pair it wish resistance exercise.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

Dr. DeFronzo isn’t too worried about lean muscle loss with these meds because, overall, they help people with obesity move more and improve their health in so many ways. The benefits far outweigh the downsides for most people.

yes, most start out morbidly obese and it's important to correct that situation as quickly as possible and get the fat out of the liver. get to a point where you can walk/jog/run.

so i won't be able to lift heavy things as well. so what.

 

[Healthmaster]

Heavy resistance training, high protein diet, testosterone therapy if you are a man, and hgh at therapeutic doses. Muscle will be retained. Starving yourself of course your gonna lose muscle mass, you have to feed the machine.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

its really impossible to burn fat and gain muscle at the same time or bodybuilders would have figured it out. bodybuilders are either in gain muscle and fat mode or reduce muscle and fat mode.

you can't change the laws of physics captain.

 

[CrabbyD]

its really impossible to burn fat and gain muscle at the same time or bodybuilders would have figured it out. bodybuilders are either in gain muscle and fat mode or reduce muscle and fat mode.

you can't change the laws of physics captain.

If you start with a lot of fat and little muscle, it's very easy to recomposition. The leaner you get the harder it is. I have definitely lost inches without losing pounds when I was 200+

 

[TetsuNW]

One can certainly lose fat and build muscle but there are specific circumstances to doing that. Ones which I believe, from the way people are talking and the reason they're here, would apply to the majority of people here.

This somewhat of a deep dive into the topic but those special circumstances are covered in the first few minutes.

On the subject of resistance training. It's a must imo, not just for GLP1 users, for everyone who wants a long healthy life.

No need for special supplements, eat enough protein 0.6-1g/lb, 0.3g fat per lb, the rest carbs eaten before you train. Start with walking if that's where you are at, add bands, then body weight, then dumbbells or kettlebells, trian 1-2 reps to failure, push a set every so often to failure. Once you feel like you've made some progress then look at getting more serious about resistance training. There are so many various ways to train and implements one can use, it's almost limitless, don't sweat the details, just find what you enjoy and benefit from.

 

[TetsuNW]

A couple playlists to help get you rolling with weights, this applies to any form of resistance training.

Fat Loss Dieting Made Simple

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Hypertrophy Made Simple

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Kettlebells are more advanced from a technique stand point, somewhere in between free weights and Olympic lifting, lmk if you want some info on them.

 

[geoguy78]

I think the whole muscle loss thing is overblown. Yeah, I've lost muscle. But I'm over 60 pounds lighter. I don't need all that muscle anymore to efficiently move my much lighter body around. That muscle developed to support a body that no longer exists. I ski a lot, and can actually ski without getting exhausted. And I've barely worked out since starting tirz.

 

[Mr. Smith]

Don't lose the weight fast... Eat right.. Work out... Gain muscle. I'm saying this after a year on Sema... Lost my weight and in great shape. Lost it SLOW on purpose... I'm talking maybe a 1lb a month slow... (But I only needed to lose 15lbs).

 

[hexagonal]

its really impossible to burn fat and gain muscle at the same time or bodybuilders would have figured it out. bodybuilders are either in gain muscle and fat mode or reduce muscle and fat mode.

you can't change the laws of physics captain.

This is true for bodybuilders, but they also are dieting to extreme levels of bf% for shows. 4-7%. Natural bodybuilders will lose more muscle, enhanced will lose less. And 'muscle memory' lets your body rebuild lost muscle mass pretty quick once you get back into a surplus. AAS are anti-catabolic but when you're going that low it's just basically impossible to not lose some - you might not even be able to get enough protein to begin with in your calorie budget depending on your size.

If you're just starting out and you've got a lot of fat to burn, you can gain muscle in a deficit for a good while - your muscles will just respond very well to stimulus and grow if you have adequate protein intake. After 9-12 months when the noob gains are tapering off it will get harder, and 'recomp' will be easier than building muscle in a deficit, but you'll be able to stay around the same body weight and be dropping fat + adding muscle. But recomp generally isn't as efficient as doing bulk/cut phases, yeah.

One thing to consider, though, is the more muscle, the more calories you burn. The 50 calories per day for a pound of muscle is a myth - you're looking at more like 10ish - but you can put 15-20 lb of muscle in that first year of consistent training, and another 12-15 in the second year with average genetics and no gear. ~300 extra calories a day burned. For men, if you go on TRT and they put you towards the top end of the range, you can do better than this. Women can benefit from TRT too, though generally to a lesser extent than men. I've decided I'd rather go to a much smaller deficit to keep building muscle at a good rate for as long as I can, and when that slows down too much, re-evaluate.