Lifting with peptide cycles

[Waclive]

I've recently started lifting again and experimenting with CJC-1295 and Ipamorelin before bed on the days I lift. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with it and what did you find out from your research? Or have you tried any of the other variations of secretagogues? Has it affected your sleep in any noticeable way?

I'm curious mainly about how you cycled it (I.E. When you pinned, at what frequency, and what dosage) to see if I'm leaving anything on the table as far as the timing of it goes.

Currently I am pinning 250-350 mcg at night before bed only on lift days. I'm wondering if it would be beneficial to go the 5 on 2 off cycle regardless of the lift days or if that's diminishing returns because I'm not lifting all of those days.

 

[cygnus]

CJC/Ipa gave me some uncomfortable facial flushing for about 10minutes after injection, but sleep on the GH secretagogues is pretty great. I've historically been a lousy sleeper but doing a simple 250mcg tesamorelin and 250mcg ipamorelin combo 2 hours after final meal (right before bed) has made a world of difference to me; I do a 5 days on, 2 days off protocol with them. Better sleep = better performance in the gym. I workout a lot, 6x heavy lifting sessions per week, and even on a cut with retatrutide that has me in a 1000cal daily deficit I find that I'm not being severely impacted from a training volume, estimated 10RM max, nor fatigue perspective. Is that all from the GHRH/GHRP? Probably not, but I feel pretty great on them and wish I didn't have to cycle off after 16 weeks to give the receptors a break.

 

[Waclive]

I appreciate you sharing your experience, thank you.
Have you tried any of the others to see if the effect are more noticeable?
Have you always lifted 6 days a week using them?

In my research, I haven't found anything to say I can cycle longer than 16 weeks doing it less than 5 days consecutively or if I am missing any benefits by not doing it 5 days in a row. Makes sense to run both to see what I can learn about it.

 

[cygnus]

I appreciate you sharing your experience, thank you.
Have you tried any of the others to see if the effect are more noticeable?
Have you always lifted 6 days a week using them?

In my research, I haven't found anything to say I can cycle longer than 16 weeks doing it less than 5 days consecutively or if I am missing any benefits by not doing it 5 days in a row. Makes sense to run both to see what I can learn about it.

To my understanding there's nothing that would prohibit you from only using on lifting days, though if you do that I would say do it the night before lifting instead (or in a fasted state prior to lifting) in order to get the most out of them. The 5 on / 2 off is supposed to be about receptor burnout, but also could have just been because the first clinics pushing the protocol weren't open on the weekend. I stuck with the 5on/2off for simplicity and am not stressing on whether or not it's optimal.

As for my working out, I have a somewhat complicated lifting routine, rotating through 8 mesocycles on an annual basis where the focus shifts in training blocks from strength -> hypertrophy -> muscular endurance and periodizing volume as caloric intake shifts, but I have trained in the 6 day/week well before using any peptides.

CJC1295 and tesamorelin sleep were comparable, but I like that tesamorelin has practically zero negative side effects at a low dose. Those are the two GHRH I've tested (sermorelin makes some people hungry which I didn't want); ipamorelin is the only GHRP to try really -- it works well and doesn't mess with your hunger too much even though it works on ghrelin.

I'm not opposed to trying other GHRH, but I like what i have already. Maybe if na-931 ends up being real (so far the evidence suggests it might have been a faked trial) we can all shift over to that IGF-1 agonism instead. [note: if someone has good evidence that na-931 is real, like a CAS number, I would love to see that. An oral quad agonist sounds like the golden goose]

 

[Waclive]

I decided to get on the AI train and ask grok about the protocol and it was saying, through anecdotal accounts, not going the 5 days at a time is leaving gains on the table as it's more important to be consistent.

 

[Such1943]

I just started a 4-day upper/lower split this week (for the long resting period). Getting back at it after 15-20 years off and staring at a computer 10 hours a day for work. Just built out a basement gym with just the basics, rower, air bike, bench and some adjustable dumbbells, might add a functional trainer/power rack in the future. Today is upper B and I’m still sore as fuck from Monday’s upper A.

I’m on quite a few things at the moment. Testosterone (TRT dose), HGH 2UI (on its way) and Creatine. First roid cycle I suppose, not adding anything else to that. I also take Reta, KLOW, SS-31, NAD+ and Mots-C. Reta makes me lethargic, the SS-31/NAD+/Most-C has resolved that and more. KLOW for recovery and just overall repair of years of abuse. I’m getting old enough to start feeling it, 45.

From my research, for older guys straight up HGH is more effective (and cheaper) rather than CJC/Tesa w/ IPA because it’s harder to get your balls up and running again after years of slacking (I could be wrong).

Anyhow, not sure where I’m going with this. I can share dosing, schedule and experiences on my stack.