Could also indicate that the number of refund / reshipment requests have cut quite a bit into his profits.
Nexaph testing
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Im not a homer, but can confirm from the start, he made it clear jano is required. There's screenshots a while back of him saying it.
What made it confusing for some newer individuals was in-house use of TP for marketing/vendor tests due to jano timelines and sponsoring 3rd party test that utilized TP.
Crappy situation, but don't think he's trying to scam people over it. I'd trust Jano the most too.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I'm 100% sure that's why he's doing it, I just wanted to clarify that it's not necessarily unreasonable.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I will say this:
if he trusts TP enough to use them and sponsor 3rd party tests that use them, he should accept their results for the purposes of issuing refunds / reshipments.
Oh for sure. I'm not disagreeing with you either fwiw.
At the end of the day, it's a business.
I know a lot of people here do not trust Cain. From what I have read, some have good reasons. Especially the weird relationship between him and Dionysus. Personally, I have had good experiences with Nexaph. He responds promptly to inquiries, and for the one reship I received I didn’t need to do anything. I would not have even known anything was wrong with the batch if Cain didn’t tell me. If he did do some shady things in the past, he seems to be trying to make up for it.
Dont disagree. But not going to downplay the conundrum of the gold standard testing a vial from a kit and giving it a 99.9% after TP tested it at 98.6.
It's a shitty situation. I guess as a business. If you can afford it, you just reship and move on to avoid backlash.
But this is messy. Could have been avoided by not mudding the waters by utilizing tp for vendor tests to cross check Jano.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I don't think anyone here has disputed that. We know he's no Cantydes.
Bad results happen, and, I feel like I've already beat this horse to death, but imho HOW the bad results happened and the lack of risk controls to prevent this problem from occuring in the future is an issue for me.
I can appreciate that.
Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…
Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Yes, that's correct.
TP is Trust Point, they're kind of like the parent company of Peptide Test
keangkong
A Not So Fat Dude
I agree. If you use a lab to provide testing results that you ask others to rely upon in buying from you, then the buyer should be able to use the same lab and have those results honored. If the seller doesn't trust that lab's results, then the seller should post COAs from that lab.
Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.
keangkong
A Not So Fat Dude
I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?
keangkong
A Not So Fat Dude
The vendor chooses to accept certain payment methods. If those don't work, I'll definitely blame the vendor.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Some folks are looking into this and it definitely seems like there has been more than one instance involving Vanguard. From what I've been told there is also one instance involving a different testing company, but no pattern of behavior established yet. That's about all I can say for now.
I defer to notable on this one; he will be significantly more informed than I am.
zpped
Moderator
thats just vanguard and they are suspected of overestimating, not under.
Not taking TP tests is just stupid. But so are 99% guarantees.
Edit to add: this isn't the only incident with vanguard. it's a building pile of things people are compiling.
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noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
It's not just Vanguard, but I am one of the people helping compile information about them specifically. I don't really want to talk about it much because some labs and vendors are more active on these forums than others and it benefits us when they don't know what we're doing.
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
I want to meet the person that is unwilling to inject from a batch tested 1x at 98.6% at Peptide test, and 3x at >99% from Jano.
Does that person even exist? Probably not.
At this point it sounds like ya'll are a bunch of whiny bitches who just want some free shit.
Doesn't have anything to do with quality or purity or product, just plain greed.
Does that person even exist? Probably not.
At this point it sounds like ya'll are a bunch of whiny bitches who just want some free shit.
Doesn't have anything to do with quality or purity or product, just plain greed.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Since you feel so passionate about testing standards, tell us, who exactly do you think is a "whiny bitch"? Name some names please.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I never said I was the boss of you or ordered you to do anything, I asked for clarification because you seem very upset with some people for doing some thing (unclear to be honest), and decided to hop into a basically dead thread to start cussing everyone out.
You are being very aggro for no reason.
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
Hopped on a basically dead thread? There was a comment 5 minutes before mine, and an entire page of comments today alone.
This is probably one of the most active threads on the forum.
And yes, I'm annoyed that people are spamming this topic across every platform I'm on, it's inescapable.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
What do you want us to do about that? I don't even know which other forums you're talking about.
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
What happened to you disengaging? I kinda liked that.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Your wish is my command. You'll never hear from me again.
I think we can all agree it’s a pretty bad look to market yourself on a purity guarantee, fund testing of your products, and then not honor the guarantee when the testing you funded returns a result that falls under the threshold. Maybe he is technically in the right, he wouldn’t be the only one to require Jano reports for reship (which is totally reasonable), but he prob should have considered this potential outcome when choosing labs to fund testing with. Oops.
While I understand the concerns about this company, I do have to say that I have probably learned more in this thread than any others, from both users and critics, and I certainly have yet to see any other vendor engage this much. So, thanks all.
A bank transfer is a payment method. Wise is an app people choose to use. Wise is essentially the senders bank in this case.
I got no dog in the fight and I'm not taking up for him. I expressed the same view directly to him in his server. Trustpointe is the labm peptide test is a 3rd party marketing person for trustpointe.
He got most of them tested a tp and jano. He was just utilizing tp because the results would come in quickly and then the jano would come back mid shipment. So he tested with both. But always claimed jano was the lab for gurantee purposes.
This batch was marketed with a jano vendor coa. It's him using both jano and tp on other batches where the lines blur and potentially confused people.
He ultimately paid for two of his own tests, and 2 more 3rd party tests including vial reimbursement. Way more than most vendors would do. He deserves some flack for things that have happened. I personally dont think this is one people should die on their sword for. No matter which side of the fence you may sit on
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