PGB Membership

chmuse said:
I enjoyed the banter and was rooting him on until the dog whistle
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I hadn't even gotten to the part where he started posting "inspirational" nazi videos.

jesus christ what a trainwreck
 
hexagonal said:
I hadn't even gotten to the part where he started posting "inspirational" nazi videos.

jesus christ what a trainwreck
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Yeah I was rooting for him, he even stopped taking such massive doses people were telling him he was gonna die. Then boom! Inspirational 'Hitler only wanted to get rid of the evil degenerates' video. Ick.
 
chmuse said:
Yeah I was rooting for him, he even stopped taking such massive doses people were telling him he was gonna die. Then boom! Inspirational 'Hitler only wanted to get rid of the evil degenerates' video. Ick.
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nonyabizznez said:
Testing adds to the cost of PGB. Product in hand FedEx in a few days add to the cost of PGB. My mail order pharmacy Centerwell can't deliver as fast. PGB assures you're getting what you paid for. NO China vendor does that regardless of their "guarantees" and if you do get lucky and a vendor backs up their "guarantee" it won't be without a $300 Janoshik test. You gonna pay that on your $50 Sema kit?

I'm not a shill for PGB and they represent a minor fraction of my stash but I totally value their business model and the price difference in kits is pennies per pin!

If I were you I'd make like a Chinese Vendor and rebrand yourself and come back. Your approach as "Panda King" sucks.

Signed
Jerk Off Number 4
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I’m glad we have more than one jerk-off here.

A fellow jerk-off.
 
chmuse said:
Two forums weren't enough, I'm still talking too much. In an effort to slow the tsunami I decided to learn about AAS on meso.
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One thing I've learned reading some AAS related forums is that men really like injecting multiple grams of AAS into themselves no matter how dumb of an idea it is. It is unfortunately not just limited to the hitler youth guy.
 
hexagonal said:
One thing I've learned reading some AAS related forums is that men really like injecting multiple grams of AAS into themselves no matter how dumb of an idea it is. It is unfortunately not just limited to the hitler youth guy.
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Yes, so I've gathered.

I also found a thread by one of the mods breaking down forum etiquette. Apparently I've been quite rude.
 
brentm said:
Just from my short amount of time, PGB seems to be the vendor you slag on the least. I do appreciate the backstory you share on here about vendors.
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At the moment they’re the best of a very flawed bunch in my opinion. I would love for a Chinese vendor to step up with good quality, aggressive prices, and reasonable service though.

Have I shared much of the PGB backstory? In short they started as a group buy model where the vendor, XCE, did everything (including collecting payment via paypal and fulfilling orders directly to customers), and jlo/PGB just did the sales part and collected a fee from the supplier. He was basically drop shipping. Everything was cheaper than if you were to buy kits directly from XCE because they were honoring high MOQ prices but doing all the work of an individual sale.

When XCE got busted, PGB transformed into a domestic crypto-only vendor where jlo/PGB is doing all the crypto stuff, manages the website, and fulfilling orders. Their stellar reputation is largely due to how good XCE was, but there is a lot of inertia behind it so it's been very durable. In my opinion you shouldn't judge the current form against that old model where it was basically PGB riding the good work of XCE, but people do. Present-day PGB is basically a domestic vendor with so-so pricing and a mostly good quality record with some isolated hiccups, along with a lot of hoops to jump not because they're pretentious but because the owner believes it provides some legal protection.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
At the moment they’re the best of a very flawed bunch in my opinion. I would love for a Chinese vendor to step up with good quality, aggressive prices, and reasonable service though.

Have I shared much of the PGB backstory? In short they started as a group buy model where the vendor, XCE, did everything (including collecting payment via paypal and fulfilling orders directly to customers), and jlo/PGB just did the sales part and collected a fee from the supplier. He was basically drop shipping. Everything was cheaper than if you were to buy kits directly from XCE because they were honoring high MOQ prices but doing all the work of an individual sale.

When XCE got busted, PGB transformed into a domestic crypto-only vendor where jlo/PGB is doing all the crypto stuff, manages the website, and fulfilling orders. Their stellar reputation is largely due to how good XCE was, but there is a lot of inertia behind it so it's been very durable. In my opinion you shouldn't judge the current form against that old model where it was basically PGB riding the good work of XCE, but people do. Present-day PGB is basically a domestic vendor with so-so pricing and a mostly good quality record with some isolated hiccups, along with a lot of hoops to jump not because they're pretentious but because the owner believes it provides some legal protection.
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The impression I've always gotten from you is 'They used to be pretty great, now they're reliable and relatively safe-ish compared to what else is currently available'
 
chmuse said:
The impression I've always gotten from you is 'They used to be pretty great, now they're reliable and relatively safe-ish compared to what else is currently available'
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Yah that’s basically it. Prob best to think of old pgb and current pgb as completely different companies, so little in common between the original MO to the current one.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Yah that’s basically it. Prob best to think of old pgb and current pgb as completely different companies, so little in common between the original MO to the current one.
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So do we know who “current PGB” uses as a supplier? Or do they shop around the same as everyone else? It sounds like they had a good thing with XCE but without that solid supplier behind them, is it only a matter of time before the quality issues hit them too?
 
Doxyisfoxy said:
So do we know who “current PGB” uses as a supplier? Or do they shop around the same as everyone else? It sounds like they had a good thing with XCE but without that solid supplier behind them, is it only a matter of time before the quality issues hit them too?
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The narrative being pushed is that their current supplier "XYX" is actually still XCE. There's no way to verify though. They have another supplier they have ordered limited stock from, and they appear to be looking for other vendors, they recently tested a zero peptide sample from a supplier they were vetting.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
At the moment they’re the best of a very flawed bunch in my opinion. I would love for a Chinese vendor to step up with good quality, aggressive prices, and reasonable service though.

Have I shared much of the PGB backstory? In short they started as a group buy model where the vendor, XCE, did everything (including collecting payment via paypal and fulfilling orders directly to customers), and jlo/PGB just did the sales part and collected a fee from the supplier. He was basically drop shipping. Everything was cheaper than if you were to buy kits directly from XCE because they were honoring high MOQ prices but doing all the work of an individual sale.

When XCE got busted, PGB transformed into a domestic crypto-only vendor where jlo/PGB is doing all the crypto stuff, manages the website, and fulfilling orders. Their stellar reputation is largely due to how good XCE was, but there is a lot of inertia behind it so it's been very durable. In my opinion you shouldn't judge the current form against that old model where it was basically PGB riding the good work of XCE, but people do. Present-day PGB is basically a domestic vendor with so-so pricing and a mostly good quality record with some isolated hiccups, along with a lot of hoops to jump not because they're pretentious but because the owner believes it provides some legal protection.
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I'm curious if a lawyer has actually advised him of that being the case. I am skeptical that putting some AI generated images of cards up and calling it a "membership card" when everyone knows what the deal is is going to hold up in court.
 
hexagonal said:
I'm curious if a lawyer has actually advised him of that being the case. I am skeptical that putting some AI generated images of cards up and calling it a "membership card" when everyone knows what the deal is is going to hold up in court.
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I don’t know for sure, I’m speculating. He did say that he consulted with an attorney back in the day, so I know he has one and they advise him on PGB stuff. I assume the convoluted “you’re buying a membership that happens to come with peptides” is a legal maneuver because there’s no other reason I can think of to do it in such a confusing manner.
 
hexagonal said:
I'm curious if a lawyer has actually advised him of that being the case. I am skeptical that putting some AI generated images of cards up and calling it a "membership card" when everyone knows what the deal is is going to hold up in court.
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I'm a lawyer and I have no idea whether you're right or not about their practices being useless. My guess is that the best lawyer to talk to about something like this is a lawyer who works for compounding pharmacies.
 
Doxyisfoxy said:
So do we know who “current PGB” uses as a supplier? Or do they shop around the same as everyone else? It sounds like they had a good thing with XCE but without that solid supplier behind them, is it only a matter of time before the quality issues hit them too?
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In theory based on PGB's business model if a quality issue hit them we wouldn't know it since they offer items already tested. (Assuming that's their business model, I could be wrong).

I haven't seen them succumb to the "pre-sale" frenzy cash grab that looks like a transparent use of impulsive thirsty (hungry🤣) buyer's funds instead of risking their own. I'm looking at that company in Wyoming, China or China, Wyoming. I also order from them, but only if there's test associated. And I believe in his tests... He's replaced product that I didn't even know tested "poorly" (I don't consider 98%+ purity poor).
 
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I will say I ordered 4 kits of their MOTS-C and that shit gives me a lump for weeks. Like some cancer ass lump...

Thought it was pH related, but when i mixed it with some pH balanced bac water (about 2ml of sodium bicarb water with regular bac), it foamed up and turned chunky.

I didn't see the right colors on the test stick when I tested the pH on it reconnned with only bac water.

I should go over to their forum and post something about it, but i'm too lazy.
 
nonyabizznez said:
In theory based on PGB's business model if a quality issue hit them we wouldn't know it since they offer items already tested. (Assuming that's their business model, I could be wrong).

I haven't seen them succumb to the "pre-sale" frenzy cash grab that looks like a transparent use of impulsive thirsty (hungry🤣) buyer's funds instead of risking their own. I'm looking at that company in Wyoming, China or China, Wyoming. I also order from them, but only if there's test associated. And I believe in his tests... He's replaced product that I didn't even know tested "poorly" (I don't consider 98%+ purity poor).
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Ok so what I’m hearing is:
PGB = SPC
Minus the thirst trap pre-buys
Add numerous barriers to access
Add cool CGI trading cards member passes
 
Doxyisfoxy said:
Ok so what I’m hearing is:
PGB = SPC
Minus the thirst trap pre-buys
Add numerous barriers to access
Add cool CGI trading cards member passes
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PGB does pre-buys. I got their T30 on Black Friday sale pre-buy. They sell stuff at a discount before it's in stock all the time. They won't ship until testing is complete though. But that begs the question: will they be able to make good if they sell large volume pre-buy and it's a bad batch? Luckily it hasn't happened.
 
Doxyisfoxy said:
Ok so what I’m hearing is:
PGB = SPC
Minus the thirst trap pre-buys
Add numerous barriers to access
Add cool CGI trading cards member passes
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PGB's is way more polished with a group sense of security vibe:

Forum, website, trading cards, riddles and puzzles,
Cheaper than CN if you include testing
Fast Shipping
Good Product

SPC is more of an autocracy. Sole individual acting as autocrat and press secretary, crisis manager:

Janky Discord, website reminiscent of a Covid era toilet paper isle, elaborate web of lies to insulate him from Lilly (I don't begrudge him).
Cheaper than CN if you include testing
Fast Shipping
Good Product

I order from both because I wasn't choosey what I ate to make me fat and now that I'm skinny I don't care where I get what keeps me there! As long as I get it... Highly recommend PGB and SPC!
 
geoguy78 said:
PGB does pre-buys. I got their T30 on Black Friday sale pre-buy. They sell stuff at a discount before it's in stock all the time. They won't ship until testing is complete though. But that begs the question: will they be able to make good if they sell large volume pre-buy and it's a bad batch? Luckily it hasn't happened.
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it's happened. Multiple times.
And that one time they sold BPC tabs and it was actually teso 😬 (actually they couldn't even tell you which one was which, so it might've been either)
Now they don't even offer things for sale until testing bares it out.
 
peptideusername said:
it's happened. Multiple times.
And that one time they sold BPC tabs and it was actually teso 😬 (actually they couldn't even tell you which one was which, so it might've been either)
Now they don't even offer things for sale until testing bares it out.
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That's good to know. That's an approach that's very safe.
 
peptideusername said:
it's happened. Multiple times.
And that one time they sold BPC tabs and it was actually teso 😬 (actually they couldn't even tell you which one was which, so it might've been either)
Now they don't even offer things for sale until testing bares it out.
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Yeah the teso/bpc fiasco........ I forgot about that one. They seem to have learned from that at least.
 
geoguy78 said:
PGB does pre-buys. I got their T30 on Black Friday sale pre-buy. They sell stuff at a discount before it's in stock all the time. They won't ship until testing is complete though. But that begs the question: will they be able to make good if they sell large volume pre-buy and it's a bad batch? Luckily it hasn't happened.
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I thought they moved to sell only in stock items last year after the BPC/Teso incident and that one T60 buy that took a while to arrive.
 
I've now received two orders from PGB and I believe they are my go to for general sourcing. I just wish their GLP prices were better. Otherwise everything else is amazing, shipping times, comes with reconstitution water, and while I don't understand them, I actually like the stickers and magnets.

What I still can't figure out is where to find their forums? Can someone send me a link? I promise I'm not normally this slow....but their website doesn't exactly make it easy.
 
flipout24 said:
I've now received two orders from PGB and I believe they are my go to for general sourcing. I just wish their GLP prices were better. Otherwise everything else is amazing, shipping times, comes with reconstitution water, and while I don't understand them, I actually like the stickers and magnets.

What I still can't figure out is where to find their forums? Can someone send me a link? I promise I'm not normally this slow....but their website doesn't exactly make it easy.
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I don't know whether you need an invite to sign up or if you can just go to the forum and create a logon. Here is the forum site: https://www.pgbchat.com/. If that doesn't work, you can try contacting PGB using their online form: https://support.pgb.shipsync.pro/portal/en/kb/articles/shipping
 
keangkong said:
I don't know whether you need an invite to sign up or if you can just go to the forum and create a logon. Here is the forum site: https://www.pgbchat.com/. If that doesn't work, you can try contacting PGB using their online form: https://support.pgb.shipsync.pro/portal/en/kb/articles/shipping
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That form is for shipping problems. You're not going to get much help signing up through that form.

flipout24 said:
I've now received two orders from PGB and I believe they are my go to for general sourcing. I just wish their GLP prices were better. Otherwise everything else is amazing, shipping times, comes with reconstitution water, and while I don't understand them, I actually like the stickers and magnets.

What I still can't figure out is where to find their forums? Can someone send me a link? I promise I'm not normally this slow....but their website doesn't exactly make it easy.
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Their shipping and MOQ policy just changed today. Perhaps you may have a different opinion once you see it.
 
Nvm, I see it was $200 and they have a tiered shipping cost now. They tried to balance it, I'll give them credit there, still not good timing imo.
 
TetsuNW said:
Nvm, I see it was $200 and they have a tiered shipping cost now. They tried to balance it, I'll give them credit there, still not good timing imo.
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Then buy from the cheapest vendor advertising in Facebook. Make sure that vendor posts their COA. Don’t worry if the COA is a year out of date or if the test can’t be confirmed on the lab’s website.
 
keangkong said:
Got too big for their own britches? They don’t make much of an effort to attract customers or to be big.
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Big through no fault of their own in this case. Once the "Great Compounding Panic" happened, PGB's name started getting thrown around everywhere. I'm sure they've been slammed the past few months. Only thing saving them from complete inundation at this point is how much of a PITA it is to pay them. Solana and Tron? GTFO
 
keangkong said:
Then buy from the cheapest vendor advertising in Facebook. Make sure that vendor posts their COA. Don’t worry if the COA is a year out of date or if the test can’t be confirmed on the lab’s website.
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It's not a binary choice but thanks for your suggestion though 🙋🏽‍♂️
 
keangkong said:
Potential supplier issues? Yes, they test all products before shipping them.
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The possible degrading NAD. In my business I'd the eat costs (shipping/storage) until an issue like that was resolved before I raised prices. That's just my opinion.
 
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