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Regarding Cain and his "marketing":

I'm aware of that. I don't find it at all unethical or worrisome. We're not dealing with people using their legal names on company letterhead.
 
I've never heard of anyone in the gray world who loves to lie more than Cain:

As for producing lyophilized products in the USA, that wasn't something that was supposed to be revealed at all and my associate was reprimanded for even mentioning it as that is something that should not have been said or stated. I am closely involved in the lyophilization process and can share any procedures or concerns with anyone about the production process.
I am not worried about his products either, but nor am I planing to buy them anytime soon. In other words, he is nothing special, especially regarding the "pharmaceutical" aspect.
 
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The Pharma industry is full of insanity, EL has been sued for wrongful death along with most other major Pharma companies-
It seems so disingenuous to me to question buying from SRY for fent issues, SNP for claiming Chinese, or any other vendor on ethical grounds. Especially dishonesty, they all are just sales...
As for product quality, it appears the consensus is no one manufactures their own, so it has minimal impact. There are also allegations that some "tweak" formulas, or perhaps Lyophilization Process- see the list below, all major pharmas have done this and it is a decimal point on cost from law suits.


Here are a few examples of Pharma concerns that should send you looking for willow branches to make your own aspirin if you want to die on that hill of distrust as a motivational force-

Yes, Eli Lilly has faced wrongful death lawsuits, particularly regarding its Mounjaro and Zepbound medications (tirzepatide). Plaintiffs claim these drugs have caused severe or fatal side effects, and that Eli Lilly failed to adequately warn about the risks. Some lawsuits also allege failure to warn, false marketing, and aggressive marketing for weight loss, despite potential risks.

Elaboration:
Mounjaro and Zepbound:
These medications, both containing tirzepatide, are used for diabetes and weight loss, respectively.
Allegations of Harm:
Lawsuits claim Eli Lilly knew or should have known about the potential for severe or fatal side effects from these drugs, and failed to issue adequate warnings.
Types of Claims:
Lawsuits may include claims of failure to warn, defective design, and false marketing.
Examples of Harm:
Some harms alleged include deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, severe gastrointestinal injuries, ileus, and vision loss.
Wrongful Death:
If a person dies after experiencing severe side effects, their family may file a wrongful death lawsuit, as Motley Rice states.

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Price Fixing/Gauging
Yes, pharmaceutical companies and the pharmaceutical industry in general spend a significant amount of money on lobbying efforts. They lobby on a wide range of issues, including drug pricing, research funding, and patent protection. This is done to influence policy decisions that affect their business, including how much they can charge for their products, how much research funding they receive, and how long they can hold patents on new drugs.
 
How can I find PGB? There the only one I'm not familiar with
pgbmemberpass.com
, The site is a mess and spread out over other locations. You have to log in and enter your shipping address before you can see any product. The tests are located at a different spot and they have what seems like a chat that's somewhere else. I went to order from them but forgot where to find the tests and just said screw it and ordered from SRY.
 
@chmuse @exploitedworkerbee What are your thoughts on another pinned post detailing how there is no best peptide supplier? Or no peptide supplier that everyone is going to agree on or recommend. Asking about suppliers is another frequent post from nooblets that maybe we could guide them in the ways. You did such a nice job on the other pinned post...

Add the price-quality-customer service pick 3 that I think it was bee mentioned that I thought was quite perfect.

If you want to add in the Skye/Nexaph/Amolist/etc type suggestions to research for first purchase?
Yes this is my first time looking into grey suppliers and it’s really confusing on how to get there and have to download more apps to talk and ask questions! Is there a list of trusted suppliers and price lists?
 
You did good, nothing is 100% safe ofc, but Amo is easy to deal with, priced OK and quality OK. They have quick shipping also
I've ordered from Tracy and Tuk. Tuk was much more responsive and quicker to ship. Tracy's prices can't be beat.
Could you share how to get in touch with them? I’m new to this and it’s overwhelming trying to find out and learning you have to have different apps to contact people!
 
I believe getting a variety of opinions as to the "best" vendor is fine. We each make a decision that a vendor is the "best" each time we make a purchase. Let's not be so difficult for newbies that every question results in an an evasive answer rather than a direct answer.
I’m one of the newbies and would love to be in the loop of this conversation please! Confused with all this is an understatement! I’ve always used Skye but now would like bulk with better prices! Thanks for any help to be pointed in the right direction!
 
Yes this is my first time looking into grey suppliers and it’s really confusing on how to get there and have to download more apps to talk and ask questions! Is there a list of trusted suppliers and price lists?

With all the tariff/customs drama of late, I would stick to domestic shippers, namely SRY ("US Warehouse"), Nexaph, PGB, and single-vial resellers like Deb.
 
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Could you share how to get in touch with them? I’m new to this and it’s overwhelming trying to find out and learning you have to have different apps to contact people!
Tracy and Tuk both pulled exit scams, stealing money from their customers.
Amo changed its name to bfflist. You can use the search icon to read threads about them, including contact info.

And yes, you need to register with multiple apps. The alternative is to buy name-brand at a pharmacy, which is much easier.
 
I'm aware of that. I don't find it at all unethical or worrisome. We're not dealing with people using their legal names on company letterhead.
This. My god, I find it nonsensical to expect your drug dealer to meet the moral standards we should expect of an elected official or a legit pharma company. And let's face it, pharma and the elected officials have probably done shit FAR more morally reprehensible than these pep dealers. Yes, all pep dealers probably lie about whatever is convenient and have done or will do some shady shit, including screw customers over. If they try to make mistakes right most of the time, I count myself lucky.
 
I wish we could buy peptides from less unreputable companies, like those on the FDA registry that compounding pharmacies are supposed to use:


One such company:

Hybio is a hi-tech enterprise specialized in the R&D and manufacturing of diverse peptide products. Founded in 1998, after over decades of effort, we have grown to be one of the largest and most professional peptide pharmaceutical company in China. We were one of the first to enter the peptide pharmaceutical industry in China, and we are the only one that has a full range of peptide products and services, including peptide finished dosage products, peptide API products, and peptide CRO&CMO services.

Our peptide finished dosage is mainly sold in the domestic market, but some of our peptide APIs have been supplied to customers all over the world. Hybio is a GMP-approved pharmaceutical company. Our GMP plant in Shenzhen is a facility occupying an area of more than 1,5000 sq.m. It has been often audited and inspected by local/national s-FDA authorities and by clients all over the world.
 
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Tracy and Tuk both pulled exit scams, stealing money from their customers.
Amo changed its name to bfflist. You can use the search icon to read threads about them, including contact info.

And yes, you need to register with multiple apps. The alternative is to buy name-brand at a pharmacy, which is much easier.
I doubt either Tracy or Tuk pulled exit scams. By that, I don't believe that they sold product intending to rip folks off.

As to Tracy, it's more likely that the Chinese authorities shut him down. As to Tuk, it sounds like she ended up sending bunk and didn't want to make it right. I'm not sure whether their intent makes much of a difference: One would have to be foolish to buy from either of them without their past customers having been made whole first.
 
Could you share how to get in touch with them? I’m new to this and it’s overwhelming trying to find out and learning you have to have different apps to contact people!
Please do not order from Tracy or Tuk. As far as we know, they are both frauds.
 
Tracy and Tuk both pulled exit scams, stealing money from their customers.
Amo changed its name to bfflist. You can use the search icon to read threads about them, including contact info.

And yes, you need to register with multiple apps. The alternative is to buy name-brand at a pharmacy, which is much easier.
This. My god, I find it nonsensical to expect your drug dealer to meet the moral standards we should expect of an elected official or a legit pharma company. And let's face it, pharma and the elected officials have probably done shit FAR more morally reprehensible than these pep dealers. Yes, all pep dealers probably lie about whatever is convenient and have done or will do some shady shit, including screw customers over. If they try to make mistakes right most of the time, I count myself lucky.
I am new to this too, has anyone ordered form Royal peptides before?
 
pgbmemberpass.com
, The site is a mess and spread out over other locations. You have to log in and enter your shipping address before you can see any product. The tests are located at a different spot and they have what seems like a chat that's somewhere else. I went to order from them but forgot where to find the tests and just said screw it and ordered from SRY.
Agreed.
 
pgbmemberpass.com
, The site is a mess and spread out over other locations. You have to log in and enter your shipping address before you can see any product. The tests are located at a different spot and they have what seems like a chat that's somewhere else. I went to order from them but forgot where to find the tests and just said screw it and ordered from SRY.
Being on PGB is like being in the mind of a mad scientist Doctor blonde-
Great data, Great Meds, but utter chaos-
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Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Ph.D. in Psychology:
    Her origin story often describes her as a psychologist working at Arkham Asylum, specializing in the treatment of high-profile patients.

  • Batman: The Animated Series:
    In the original show, one episode, "Mad Love," details her background as a psychologist arriving at Arkham Asylum to work on high-profile patients.

  • MD (Psychiatry):
    In some interpretations, especially in episodes like "Harlequinade," Harley Quinn is portrayed as a clinical psychiatrist. This suggests she may have an MD, which is a medical degree, allowing her to prescribe medication.
 

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