Restarting everything (except Tirz)

[cloratheshadow]

I’ll admit that I jumped into things quickly. I am autistic and peptides and supplements have become a major hyper fixation. I’ve been clean with my setup and careful with my dosing and reconstituting. But something is wrong with me…

So 3 months ago I started Tirz and it’s been amazing. Then I started adding different supplements. Vitamin D, magnesium, fish oil, papaya enzymes, creatine, and others. Occasional fiber supplements when my Tirz would wear off a little.


Then I started adding more peptides. CJC/ipa, Cagri, KPV, BPC, and low dose Reta. All like maybe every week or so adding something new. I have felt completely fine until these last few days.

I also started a micro dose of Modafinil before my chronic exhaustion which has been surprisingly helpful for my mid day crashes.

If you saw my other post I also started getting really bad welts after every injection. Like I said I am very careful with my handling of my peptides. And even rotating injection sites didn’t help.

I started feeling funny about a day before my shot. I still proceeded with my shot mostly because I rarely have gastrointestinal issues with my shots, maybe just a sulphur burp every once in a while. So I still took my 7.5 mg shot and I was so sick. I was throwing up (unusual for me), bloated, dizzy, lightheaded, exhausted. Just absolutely shitty. It’s day #3 and I’m feeling a lot better BUT I still am getting waves of nausea and major bloat. I have not had any issues like this and I was already feeling really sick before my shot.

So I don’t know if it’s as simple as I just ate the wrong thing or something that had gone sour or if I’ve added too much shit too quickly. So I have stopped it all. I’m going to add one thing at a time for a couple weeks and log my symptoms and I’m also going to get testing done. If anyone has similar experiences they’d like to share I’d love to hear it!

 

[quicksilver80]

I had something kinda similar but no throwing up. Saw something about sibo and wondered if that was it. But as soon as i saw it stopping after doubling up fluids and eating simpler and took a dose of miralax to move stuff along. Kinda didnt stay around long enough to worry about for me. All i do is reta and some oral supplements. Tmg hmb and epicatechin. Dont think it was those either.

As for the bad welts i learned pinning straight down does bruises me. Saw something about holding it like a pencil and injecting from an angle. Instantly no more bruises

 

[Rezwalker]

Drop all secrecagoge aka CJC/ipa etc
restart tirz when you feel better

stick to GLP for a month to asses
then add kpv & bpc

wait 2 weeks before adding another pep to asses

i know its fun blasting
but it aint fun when we get sick

no more fiber sup
only real vegg

 

[Flash-BCR]

Drop all secrecagoge aka CJC/ipa etc
restart tirz when you feel better

stick to GLP for a month to asses
then add kpv & bpc

wait 2 weeks before adding another pep to asses

i know its fun blasting
but it aint fun when we get sick

no more fiber sup
only real vegg

I think that is sound advice...I have an assortment box of single vial peps that haven't tried yet. I am still assessing the BPC (started 3 weeks ago) and KPV (started 1 week ago)...I have some TB500 I will add in in a week or so if I am settled in with the first 2...I am also on mid dose tirz, but have both Reta and Crag stored away and won't mess with them until I feel a need and also get my tirz sorted (I am trying split dosing and think I will go back to 1xweek)...

 

[cloratheshadow]

I had something kinda similar but no throwing up. Saw something about sibo and wondered if that was it. But as soon as i saw it stopping after doubling up fluids and eating simpler and took a dose of miralax to move stuff along. Kinda didnt stay around long enough to worry about for me. All i do is reta and some oral supplements. Tmg hmb and epicatechin. Dont think it was those either.

As for the bad welts i learned pinning straight down does bruises me. Saw something about holding it like a pencil and injecting from an angle. Instantly no more bruises

I appreciate the feedback but I’ve tried everything in regards to the welts 🙁 it helped when I switched syringes but I’m still getting small reactions unfortunately

 

[cloratheshadow]

Drop all secrecagoge aka CJC/ipa etc
restart tirz when you feel better

stick to GLP for a month to asses
then add kpv & bpc

wait 2 weeks before adding another pep to asses

i know its fun blasting
but it aint fun when we get sick

no more fiber sup
only real vegg

Thank you! I think that’s a good plan!

 

[tendency]

I appreciate the feedback but I’ve tried everything in regards to the welts 🙁 it helped when I switched syringes but I’m still getting small reactions unfortunately

So my question is: you're getting welts when injecting which peptide(s), or, you're not sure 'cause you started them all at the same time? Or, is it every pep you try?

 

[chewonmysac]

I appreciate the feedback but I’ve tried everything in regards to the welts 🙁 it helped when I switched syringes but I’m still getting small reactions unfortunately

Maybe give Glutes a shot. That is where my SS-31, MOTS-c, NAD+. I use a 29g 1/2" for the spicier peps in the upper ass cheeks. No ISR's. For my stomach, I use 31g 5/16" and stay away from the lower spots. Sometimes I even inject into what's left of my love handles.

 

[cloratheshadow]

So my question is: you're getting welts when injecting which peptide(s), or, you're not sure 'cause you started them all at the same time? Or, is it every pep you try?

Almost every peptide I use and regardless of where I inject. It all started when I did my first GHK-cu injection. For 2+ months prior I had no issues at all!

 

[cloratheshadow]

Maybe give Glutes a shot. That is where my SS-31, MOTS-c, NAD+. I use a 29g 1/2" for the spicier peps in the upper ass cheeks. No ISR's. For my stomach, I use 31g 5/16" and stay away from the lower spots. Sometimes I even inject into what's left of my love handles.

That’s one place I haven’t tried but even on my legs or upper stomach they bruise and welt 🙁 I will try that tho!

 

[lessthanhalf]

If I had to guess, I would say probably unrelated to the peptides and just a virus or something similar. If you start coughing and sneezing you will get a definite answer.

The only peptides that definitely cause gi upsets are tirz and cagri, do not know how long you have been on cagri or dose.

I think as already said simplifying is a good idea , with that many so soon it is going to be very hard to work out effects or side effects from different peptides, and maybe leave decent gaps between them when restarting.

Wait till symptoms are gone before restarting tirz, regardless of it being more than a week if needed. Maybe consider dropping the dose temporarily to 5mg?, if you are still hungry and no problems you could always top it up with another 2.5mg a few days later. Hard to say about cagri without knowing how long or how much or recent changes, but probably delay restarting it for a few weeks at least.

When you say welts I am thinking of localised immune reactions , sort of like a large mosquito bite type reaction - swelling in the subcutaneous tissues or skin with or without redness. This should be a totally separate issue to bruising, easy bruising is super common in women, and more likely if on aspirin or other antiplatelet drugs. But if you are getting ISR's it should be to a particular peptide, not in general, unless it is to the bac which is not common. mots-c is a really common cause of ISR's, tirz is about 5% or so. Injecting a bit deeper into the subcutaneous fat can reduce the reaction, as it is further away from the skin where there are more immune cells. Usually lower abdomen is the least annoying spot . So long as there is no general allergic reaction like rashes elsewhere or wheezing etc ISR's are not a problem except for being uncomfortable and itchy.

 

[cloratheshadow]

If I had to guess, I would say probably unrelated to the peptides and just a virus or something similar. If you start coughing and sneezing you will get a definite answer.

The only peptides that definitely cause gi upsets are tirz and cagri, do not know how long you have been on cagri or dose.

I think as already said simplifying is a good idea , with that many so soon it is going to be very hard to work out effects or side effects from different peptides, and maybe leave decent gaps between them when restarting.

Wait till symptoms are gone before restarting tirz, regardless of it being more than a week if needed. Maybe consider dropping the dose temporarily to 5mg?, if you are still hungry and no problems you could always top it up with another 2.5mg a few days later. Hard to say about cagri without knowing how long or how much or recent changes, but probably delay restarting it for a few weeks at least.

When you say welts I am thinking of localised immune reactions , sort of like a large mosquito bite type reaction - swelling in the subcutaneous tissues or skin with or without redness. This should be a totally separate issue to bruising, easy bruising is super common in women, and more likely if on aspirin or other antiplatelet drugs. But if you are getting ISR's it should be to a particular peptide, not in general, unless it is to the bac which is not common. mots-c is a really common cause of ISR's, tirz is about 5% or so. Injecting a bit deeper into the subcutaneous fat can reduce the reaction, as it is further away from the skin where there are more immune cells. Usually lower abdomen is the least annoying spot . So long as there is no general allergic reaction like rashes elsewhere or wheezing etc ISR's are not a problem except for being uncomfortable and itchy.

Thank you for all of this information! 😁😁

 

[Rolltide61]

It all started when I did my first GHK-cu injection.

Maybe you found your answer?

 

[cloratheshadow]

Maybe you found your answer?

I haven’t taken it since. I’ve been trying to figure out how to make them stop. So I haven’t really found my answer.

 

[sheilarae74]

I don't know how long you have been taking the fish oil but I got some fish oil gummies a while back for my son and I. After like a week they made me have stomach issues. My son is non-verbal autistic, so I don't know how he felt for sure but I noticed him laying down a lot and he never does that. I stopped giving them to him and I quit taking them myself. I haven't had a problem since that wasn't reta related.