SS-31 + MOTs-C vs NAD+

I have just finished a cycle of Motsc the first 2 pins caused massive welts either side of my belly and itched for days. I still have a dark spot on both sites. I increased the bac water to 2ml for 10mg mots and taking a antihistamine first plus I held a frozen pack against the i.s. for a few mins. and this helped to avoid any more welts. I have had no reaction to reta bpc or the Nad I am currently on.
 
Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).
 
Looks right. Did you add this up if you're doing the entire protocol? You'll have a bit left over
 

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Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).
This is what’s needed if following exactly. I’m on the last week. I am older and from everything I’ve been reading, I think the people who are older than 50 or 60 benefit more than younger folks with healthy mitochondria. I have had more physical and mental energy throughout.
 

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Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).
This is the protocol I’m on. The SS-31 cycle is 6 weeks daily at 4mg per. Weeks 13 and 14 not depicted,, but the same as 10, 11, 12
 

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Interesting that some references are mentioned but I don't see an author of this protocol? Did I miss it? None of the references mention this protocol either, so it could be based off a wellness clinic and no research that this protocol is factual
 
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Interesting that some references are mentioned but I don't see an author of this protocol? Did I miss it? None of the references mention this protocol either, so it could be based off a wellness clinic and no research that this protocol is factual
I’ve seen a few people on Reddit mentioning they’ve done the protocol and liked it. I figure this is all research anyway, but to your point it would at least be great to have more details as to why this protocol instead of some other.
 
I’ve seen a few people on Reddit mentioning they’ve done the protocol and liked it. I figure this is all research anyway, but to your point it would at least be great to have more details as to why this protocol instead of some other.
The text and supporting studies in the full 14-week document provide the rationale for the dosage and duration. But all of the studies were done on rats, so...
 
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I’ve got my final NAD+ dose tomorrow, then the final MOTSc Thursday. The lab rat research subject is impressed with the experience. More energy was noticed durning the SS-31 and NAD+ phase. It was a clean feeling of a boost in both mental and physical endurance. the RS never tried to talk its way out of a task. Now to monitor energy levels for the next couple of weeks. Hope it doesn’t drop to noticeably .
 
L-theanine is the only thing that messed up my sleep recently. I had very vivid dreams that woke me up and left me with anxiety. The strange thing is, I learned to use it to calm down the jitters from the caffeine in my pre-workout.
I use 'Non-stim' pre-workout (caffeine free)
 
I’ve got my final NAD+ dose tomorrow, then the final MOTSc Thursday. The lab rat research subject is impressed with the experience. More energy was noticed durning the SS-31 and NAD+ phase. It was a clean feeling of a boost in both mental and physical endurance. the RS never tried to talk its way out of a task. Now to monitor energy levels for the next couple of weeks. Hope it doesn’t drop to noticeably .
Curious as to why stop the NAD+? I know these protocols typically say to cycle it .. but, why? People taking the NR/NMN pre-cursors do not cycle.
 
You mean this SS/31/Mots-C/NAD+ protocol? https://glp1forum.com/threads/ss-31-and-mots-c-protocol.1805/post-95372
It's real, it's just extrapolated from studies that were done in vitro (rats) and adjusted for humans. I'm doing it just like it says and I'm in week 3 of Mots-C.
Yeah I get that there were some very limited rat studies but again, this is hardly definitive science and was done (to my understanding) as a small limited duration study to see if additional study was warranted.

From this people seem to be making large, far reaching assumptions about the need to cycle these substances, doses, etc. which is not born out by any science I'm aware of.

The particular study you referenced is passed along like it's some sort of grail doctrine on these boards that almost everyone is now using as the gold standard reference.

I get we need to start somewhere but when people keep referencing this as the reason for their protocol choices I'm left scratching my head.
 
Yeah I get that there were some very limited rat studies but again, this is hardly definitive science and was done (to my understanding) as a small limited duration study to see if additional study was warranted.

From this people seem to be making large, far reaching assumptions about the need to cycle these substances, doses, etc. which is not born out by any science I'm aware of.

The particular study you referenced is passed along like it's some sort of grail doctrine on these boards that almost everyone is now using as the gold standard reference.

I get we need to start somewhere but when people keep referencing this as the reason for their protocol choices I'm left scratching my head.
Oh yeah. Exactly. You make the choice whether to follow this based on what limited evidence there is or not. I don't know if it's a grail document, but it is the only one I've found focused on mitochondrial rehab and it sure sounds good, even though the same studies are repeated throughout. It also established SS-31 comes before Mots-C, when who knows? But a lot of the peptide protocols are based on limited/anecdotal/rat trial data, so you either climb aboard or you don't. I just look at the data and try to determine what is compelling and what isn't and then test the thesis. On me.
 
Smart, because when I get off of work, BTW I work from home, I want to hit the couch as soon as I see it. Especially in the winter. I have to go before work.
Oh absolutely 💯, i have yet to go home and back out to the gym, so stopping on the way home is mandatory! 💪
 
Yeah I get that there were some very limited rat studies but again, this is hardly definitive science and was done (to my understanding) as a small limited duration study to see if additional study was warranted.

From this people seem to be making large, far reaching assumptions about the need to cycle these substances, doses, etc. which is not born out by any science I'm aware of.

The particular study you referenced is passed along like it's some sort of grail doctrine on these boards that almost everyone is now using as the gold standard reference.

I get we need to start somewhere but when people keep referencing this as the reason for their protocol choices I'm left scratching my head.
Tell us how it’s supposed to be done.
 
Tell us how it’s supposed to be done.

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They're synergistic. Prime with SS-31 to repair mitochondria and then stack MOTS-C and NAD+.
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I've had NAD IVs administered by professionals and they take a long time- like an hour to hours depending on the amount of NAD. Even just a 100mg IV takes about an hour. If you take it in faster than that, they say it can cause nausea and other side effects. Even at the slow drip, I still got some nausea. I assume people at home doing this protocol aren't doing their own IV. How is everyone managing these 100 mg NAD doses twice a week? You just use as much bac water as will fit in the vial and pray for fortitude? Or is there something here I don't know? Sincerely asking. Would love to be educated.
 

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