SS-31 + MOTs-C vs NAD+

bogardbilla said:
So how does one inject NAD+ IM? Is it like directly into your thigh muscle or something?
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Yes, for me. I have next to no fat on my legs (they're kinda like the back of you hand fat wise) so it's very easy for me to do IM to the upper outside quad. I use a 30g needle.
 
tendency said:
Yes, for me. I have next to no fat on my legs (they're kinda like the back of you hand fat wise) so it's very easy for me to do IM to the upper outside quad. I use a 30g needle.
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Do you flex the muscle so you know where to pin? I'm gonna try it for my next pin.
 
bogardbilla said:
Do you flex the muscle so you know where to pin? I'm gonna try it for my next pin.
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No, you don't want to flex the muscle as you're injecting. Keep it soft and jiggly. I inject about 2/3 of the way up the quad towards the outside of the muscle.

I'm sure there are a number of good YT vids on how to IM to the quad.
 
tendency said:
Yes, for me. I have next to no fat on my legs (they're kinda like the back of you hand fat wise) so it's very easy for me to do IM to the upper outside quad. I use a 30g needle.
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I would consider pinning upper outside quad but I am a runner (see ‘Slogger’ username) and I’m concerned pinning 3 times a week would maybe be a problem. I’ll do more research and watch some YouTube vids too. I have done upper buttock and that was fine so there’s that.
 
Slogger said:
I would consider pinning upper outside quad but I am a runner (see ‘Slogger’ username) and I’m concerned pinning 3 times a week would maybe be a problem. I’ll do more research and watch some YouTube vids too. I have done upper buttock and that was fine so there’s that.
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Should be fine, at least that's been my experience. I was a serious bicyclist for many years and used to pin IM a couple times/week and never had any quad issues.
 
ConnieL said:
Do any of you notice having more dreams when taking RETA? I hope this doesn't last long because they are not always pleasant dreams, and I remember them too long.
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Lol I wasn't attributing to reta but definitely dreaming more. Lol it was a recurring dream with a cat lazing around infront of a bear until I almost got caught. It got caught a couple of nights a go and nothing since. Can't remember the last dream I had that I remember. Anyway probably not Reta related but who knows
 
Twowheelr2 said:
Pretty much the same. MOTSc areas needed to be alternated due it ISRs. I mainly used glute area for MOTSc and 1/2 pin. The ISRs weren’t too bad for me. Small welts and some itchiness. And yes..SubQ.
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Does it seem like your research subject experienced lasting benefits after completing the protocol, or was it a sharp return to pre-protocol baseline?
 
I just did MOTS-C alone and it feels very similar to my Vyvanse, but more wakeful and clear. I have SS-31 but didn't use it. I also didn't stack with NAD+.
 
Itankstuff said:
I just did MOTS-C alone and it feels very similar to my Vyvanse, but more wakeful and clear. I have SS-31 but didn't use it. I also didn't stack with NAD+.
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I don't know what Vyvanse is or how it makes a person feel... Help?
 
HereKittyKitty said:
I don't know what Vyvanse is or how it makes a person feel... Help?
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It is a stimulant ADHD medication. Makes the user with ADHD slightly more energetic but also more calm and able to focus with less distractibility.

Not everyone taking MOTS-C (or any other pep for that matter) will get the same thing out of it.
 
Boutta run SS 31+ MOTS C soon
Fingers crossed 🤞🏽

Also new research suggests SS-31 doesn't need to be run prior to running MOTS C and both can be run together simultaneously.
 
ConnieL said:
Do any of you notice having more dreams when taking RETA? I hope this doesn't last long because they are not always pleasant dreams, and I remember them too long.
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I do experience this, my dreams are way more vivid than before. But not in a bad way tbh.
 
First time i will be dosing SS-31, planning to take 2mg daily for 4 weeks while taking 50mg NAD+ for 6 days.

On the 5th week, ill switch SS-31 to Mots-c 10mg 3x per week? Would this be a good protocol to follow?

I have been taking NAD+ already previously.

Asked GPT to make an infograph with that.
 

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Twowheelr2 said:
74 year old male. My research is to follow the 14 week mitochondria protocol for molecular repair and enhancement. After that, my research will be 6 weeks on followed by 3 weeks off for a few cycles of GLOW. This will benefit cellular repair and enhancement. Molecular first followed by cellular.
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I'm guessing you're almost finished or about to.
Any news to share? I'm 46 and after reading your opinions maybe I'll leave this protocol for when I get older, but it's interesting to know there can be something to restore some vitality (though I'm quite vivid myself, so I don't feel the need really).
 
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Twowheelr2 said:
This is a 14 Week protocol. Weeks 13 and 14 are the same as Week 12..MOTS-c and NADS+. The PDF has links to files and research documentation to explain the reasoning behind this schedule. I started it Firday.
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How can I find the pdf and not just the screenshot of it?
 
HereKittyKitty said:
I don't know what Vyvanse is or how it makes a person feel... Help?
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Vyvanse is extended release d-isomer amphetamine, with a lysine molecule attached as part of the release mechanism that's cleaved off in the liver to provide the user a steady supply of dextroamphetamine. Dextroamphetamine is a dopamine releasing agent. Vyvanse is not dissimilar from methamphetamine in the way it makes you feel, though it lacks the serotonin releasing component and doesn't last quite as long.

It makes you feel good. Like you just bought a new sports car after getting back from vacation and having the best night of sleep in your life and you have a date with a model later in the evening.
 
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birdwhacker said:
Vyvanse is extended release d-isomer amphetamine, with a lysine molecule attached as part of the release mechanism that's cleaved off in the liver to provide the user a steady supply of dextroamphetamine. Dextroamphetamine is a dopamine releasing agent. Vyvanse is not dissimilar from methamphetamine in the way it makes you feel, though it lacks the serotonin releasing component and doesn't last quite as long.

It makes you feel good. Like you just bought a new sports car after getting back from vacation and having the best night of sleep in your life and you have a date with a model later in the evening.
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Well heck, I wish my vyvanse made me feel like that. Mine just makes the background noise quieter
 
I just completed my ss31 - mots-c stack.

I think ss31 provided me deeper sleep.
Mots-c gave me stable energy throughout the day. Nothing like a stimulant, I didn’t feel anything from Semax, so for me to actually notice something from mots-c is worth mentioning.

I would recommend it. I'm only 34 and could notice a difference.
 
I am planning to start this protocol for 8 to 10 weeks. I have been doing a KLOW in the am and Tesamorelin in the PM for the last 8 weeks.
Do folks have thoughts on a washout period before starting the ss31,Mots, and Nad protocol?
I have also been on Tirz for 6 months.

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birdwhacker said:
Vyvanse is extended release d-isomer amphetamine, with a lysine molecule attached as part of the release mechanism that's cleaved off in the liver to provide the user a steady supply of dextroamphetamine. Dextroamphetamine is a dopamine releasing agent. Vyvanse is not dissimilar from methamphetamine in the way it makes you feel, though it lacks the serotonin releasing component and doesn't last quite as long.

It makes you feel good. Like you just bought a new sports car after getting back from vacation and having the best night of sleep in your life and you have a date with a model later in the evening.
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yeah, for like 30 minutes.. I wouldn't mind if I could replace my Vyvanse with MOTS/NAD, though...
 
thebonus said:
yeah, for like 30 minutes.. I wouldn't mind if I could replace my Vyvanse with MOTS/NAD, though...
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You're not going to replace dextroamphetamine with anything except a few years of sobriety and working on your body and supplementing for it.

People lose sight with this peptide shit because they're new and interesting. Most supplements you can buy at the store are way more effective than any peptide.

If you want to get off of Vyvanse, empty out the powder in the capsules and titrate yourself down, move to as needed doses, do lots of working out, and get really into supplements. There are a lot of resources hidden in Reddit threads you'll find through Google. Depending on how long you took it and how much time/money you can dedicate to your recovery, you can recover in 1-2 years.

But nothing is ever going to be a substitute for amphetamine. MotsC and NAD are all hype for the most part (though worth trying). Something like NALC/NALT is going to be way more effective as a stimulant alternative.
 
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