Study: Real-world results of GLP-1 drugs don't match trials

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"Average weight loss was under 4% for those who stopped treatment early, versus nearly 7% or those who stopped later on, the study says. Those who stayed on their medications lost an average 12% body weight."​


"People who stayed on their meds and received high doses lost nearly 14% of their body weight with semaglutide and 18% with tirzepatide."​

"Patients had higher odds of losing 10% or more of their body weight after a year if they remained on their meds, were prescribed a high dosage, were taking tirzepatide rather than semaglutide, and were female."​

 

"People who stayed on their meds and received high doses lost nearly 14% of their body weight with semaglutide and 18% with tirzepatide."​

"Patients had higher odds of losing 10% or more of their body weight after a year if they remained on their meds, were prescribed a high dosage, were taking tirzepatide rather than semaglutide, and were female."​

You see these numbers and then talk to people who got with the program and let the peps help and they are so different.

Do they mention special diet, calorie counting, exercise in any of the studies>?
So many people lose 20%+ if they put in a little effort and let the peps be their training wheels.

I am very curious about that.
 
Similarly:

7 Reasons You Aren't Losing Weight on Weight Loss Drugs

I also think it's odd that the docs are not testing more for hormone levels. I mean, if we are injecting ourselves anyway, why not test for test too? Even if a doc is against TRT or hormone therapy for some reason, it doesn't hurt to do labwork to know what is going on.
 
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Similarly:

7 Reasons You Aren't Losing Weight on Weight Loss Drugs

I also think it's odd that the docs are not testing more for hormone levels. I mean, if we are injecting ourselves anyway, why not test for test too? Even if a doc is against TRT or hormone therapy for some reason, it doesn't hurt to do labwork to know what is going on.
I think a lot of it has to do not with the doctors but insurance and co-pays. I’m an RN and I work at the hospital with my PCP. I can ask her to order anything lab wise and she will but lay people might not have the ability or know better to self advocate.
 
Similarly:

7 Reasons You Aren't Losing Weight on Weight Loss Drugs

I also think it's odd that the docs are not testing more for hormone levels. I mean, if we are injecting ourselves anyway, why not test for test too? Even if a doc is against TRT or hormone therapy for some reason, it doesn't hurt to do labwork to know what is going on.
It certainly makes sense.
They seem to point to many things that help and are much easier to do with the help of a GLP.

great article.
 
You see these numbers and then talk to people who got with the program and let the peps help and they are so different.

Do they mention special diet, calorie counting, exercise in any of the studies>?
So many people lose 20%+ if they put in a little effort and let the peps be their training wheels.

I am very curious about that.
I lost 90 lbs (34%) on 7 1/2 mths (34 wks) of Reta. I didn't just use the reta, I followed a low carb diet with it. Not physically fit, so that's definitely not behind those numbers. Just used the twin fat burning machines in both Reta and low carb dieting to my advantage.

I keep recommending others to take advantage of this time while losing weight on GLP1s to change the habits which led to the weight gain in the first place. I keep being told that it isn't possible and that the only answer is lifetime maintenance on GLP1s. I find this attitude ridiculous. Why not accept responsibility for being overweight and change your life to prevent it ever happening again? But it's too easy to just depend on a drug to handle it while continuing to eat with total disregard. I guess they're hoping it will be there forever. I certainly don't.
 
I lost 90 lbs (34%) on 7 1/2 mths (34 wks) of Reta. I didn't just use the reta, I followed a low carb diet with it. Not physically fit, so that's definitely not behind those numbers. Just used the twin fat burning machines in both Reta and low carb dieting to my advantage.

I keep recommending others to take advantage of this time while losing weight on GLP1s to change the habits which led to the weight gain in the first place. I keep being told that it isn't possible and that the only answer is lifetime maintenance on GLP1s. I find this attitude ridiculous. Why not accept responsibility for being overweight and change your life to prevent it ever happening again? But it's too easy to just depend on a drug to handle it while continuing to eat with total disregard. I guess they're hoping it will be there forever. I certainly don't.
There are as many paths as there are goals, and I believe we all can choose our own.
Good job on yours!
I too did a nutrition plan and added some exercise, but I don't know if that will be the key to eventually stopping and, like many, I feel there are other benefits to GLP-1s so I may never.

Really, I was curious about the studies- did they tell people to eat the same, move the same, or were there strict guidelines?

People are so different..

As for habits, I have replaced them with reading about, buying, and pinning Chinese mystery powder.
Hell... I may have been better off with pizza in the long run, only time will tell.
But meanwhile I am rocking some new clothes and having fun being a part time chemist/medic.
😛

To each their own.
 
Similarly:

7 Reasons You Aren't Losing Weight on Weight Loss Drugs

I also think it's odd that the docs are not testing more for hormone levels. I mean, if we are injecting ourselves anyway, why not test for test too? Even if a doc is against TRT or hormone therapy for some reason, it doesn't hurt to do labwork to know what is going on.
The usual answer to this question is STACK STACK and STACK. If Reta doesn't work fast enough stack cagri, if Tirz doesn't work well enough stack with Reta, etc etc etc.

I almost bought into this stacking madness when I first investigated peptides but thankfully I came to my senses.
 
There are as many paths as there are goals, and I believe we all can choose our own.
Good job on yours!
I too did a nutrition plan and added some exercise, but I don't know if that will be the key to eventually stopping and, like many, I feel there are other benefits to GLP-1s so I may never.

Really, I was curious about the studies- did they tell people to eat the same, move the same, or were there strict guidelines?

People are so different..

As for habits, I have replaced them with reading about, buying, and pinning Chinese mystery powder.
Hell... I may have been better off with pizza in the long run, only time will tell.
But meanwhile I am rocking some new clothes and having fun being a part time chemist/medic.
😛

To each their own.
Some folks are getting anti-inflammatory assistance from their GLP1s, so in that case they would be staying on it for a true medical reason (it's really hard to find an anti-inflammatory which actually works, outside of predisone of course). Been autoimmune for 33 years, have much experience with chronic high inflammation. And yes, I did get anti-inflammatory relief from the Reta, but I will still be investigating other alternatives first (Thymosin Alpha 1 for example) before committing to having to take Reta forever just for inflammation relief.

As for the studies - being an experiment they could not dictate a particular diet or exercise routine as prerequisites - they are variables that if introduced would invalidate the results of the study (which diet to follow? which exercise routine to follow? is the weight loss due to a particular diet or exercise? etc etc etc)

Unfortunately, the lack of prescribed diet and exercise in the study followed by successful weight loss without it has encouraged folks to follow the example it has set because hey, they didn't diet or exercise and they lost weight, so I can do it, too.

Yes to each his own, but successful weight loss and maintenance requires a changed mindset and habits. Just taking a GLP1 is not the kind of personal transformation that makes for long lasting weight maintenance. Obviously the next addictive substance will be (actually already is) GLP1s. And I refuse to be a GLP1 addict.
 
I lost 90 lbs (34%) on 7 1/2 mths (34 wks) of Reta. I didn't just use the reta, I followed a low carb diet with it. Not physically fit, so that's definitely not behind those numbers. Just used the twin fat burning machines in both Reta and low carb dieting to my advantage.

I keep recommending others to take advantage of this time while losing weight on GLP1s to change the habits which led to the weight gain in the first place. I keep being told that it isn't possible and that the only answer is lifetime maintenance on GLP1s. I find this attitude ridiculous. Why not accept responsibility for being overweight and change your life to prevent it ever happening again? But it's too easy to just depend on a drug to handle it while continuing to eat with total disregard. I guess they're hoping it will be there forever. I certainly don't.
I have a huge weight loss on the GLPs too. from 263 to 150 - whatever body weight percentage that is.

That said, I find people's knowledge and attitudes about this rather uninformed. Granted, it’s a fair question to ask: “Should people really need to be on a GLP-1 for the rest of their lives? Shouldn’t they just learn to eat better and exercise?” It sounds simple. But for many people, it’s not.

The truth is, many individuals already do those things. They count every calorie, track their macros, walk their 10,000 steps, lift weights, skip dessert, drink water, and follow advice to the letter and still struggle with weight. Why? Because obesity isn’t just a behavior problem. It’s a complex, chronic, biological condition. While healthy nutrition and regular physical activity are undeniably crucial components of a healthy lifestyle, they are not always the complete solution for everyone struggling with obesity or chronic weight management. The human body is an intricate biochemical system, and for many, the challenges extend far beyond conscious dietary choices or exercise routines. This isn't a failure of willpower; it's a reflection of an internal biochemical imbalance.

GLP-1 receptor agonists (like sema or tirz) don’t just help people “eat less.” They modulate hormonal and neurological processes. They work on insulin signaling, slow gastric emptying, and affect areas of the brain responsible for appetite and reward. They reduce one of the most profound and often misunderstood aspects of chronic weight struggles, what many call “food noise”, which is the constant, intrusive thoughts about food that drive hunger and cravings far beyond nutritional need. Food noise isn't merely a craving; it's a relentless, pervasive preoccupation with food: when to eat, what to eat, how much to eat, and the constant mental battle against hunger, even after consuming adequate calories.

Individuals who have never experienced this persistent internal dialogue cannot truly grasp the immense relief that GLP-1 medications provide by quieting this mental cacophony. For these individuals, their bodies are not processing or signaling satiety in the same way as someone with a balanced metabolism. For those who live with food noise, the relief GLP-1s provide isn’t just about eating less. It’s about finally getting mental quiet and biochemical balance. It’s like giving someone glasses who’s been trying to see clearly by just squinting harder. Behavior and willpower can’t fix a biological misfire.

GLP-1 medications are not a substitute for healthy eating and exercise. Rather, they are a powerful additional tool that addresses a fundamental physiological deficit. In other words, this isn’t about choosing medicine instead of good nutrition and exercise. It's about recognizing that for some people, lifestyle change alone isn’t enough, not because they lack discipline, but because their physiology is fighting them. The medication provides the missing piece of the puzzle, allowing their bodies to respond more effectively to healthy lifestyle interventions. Without it, they are essentially fighting a battle with one hand tied behind their back. GLP-1s can give their body the metabolic support it needs to make those healthy choices effective and sustainable.

Saying people should be able to stop these medications once they “learn healthy habits” is as flawed as suggesting a person with Type 1 diabetes can stop insulin if they just eat right. Would we tell a person with Type 2 diabetes, once their blood sugar is well-managed with insulin or oral medications, that they no longer need their medication because they've "learned to eat right"? Absolutely not. Their pancreas still has an underlying dysfunction. Or that someone with chronic hypertension can toss their meds after enough jogging. A person with high blood pressure who achieves healthy readings with medication isn't advised to discontinue their treatment because they've "learned to manage stress" or "eat low-sodium." Their cardiovascular system still has a predisposition to elevated pressure. Or someone on thyroid hormone replacement therapy for an underactive thyroid gland doesn't suddenly "cure" their condition through diet and exercise and stop their medication. That’s not how chronic disease management works. In all these cases, medication manages a chronic physiological imbalance. Obesity, for many, is no different. It's a chronic, relapsing disease with a strong genetic and biological component, not simply a failure of personal discipline.

So yes, for some, GLP-1s may be needed long-term, just like blood pressure meds, insulin, SSRIs, or thyroid replacements. We don’t ask others to justify lifelong treatment for medical conditions just because they’re invisible or misunderstood. Obesity deserves the same respect and science-based care. While personal responsibility for diet and exercise remains important, it's time to move beyond the antiquated and often shaming narrative that places the entire burden of weight management on individual willpower. For many, GLP-1 agonists offer a vital physiological correction, allowing them to achieve sustainable weight loss, quiet the internal struggle of "food noise," and ultimately lead healthier, more fulfilling lives. Their bodies need this additional support, and it's a medical necessity, not a lifestyle choice to be dismissed.

So, instead of framing it as “do they really need it forever?”, perhaps we should ask “does it help them live better, healthier, and more peacefully in their bodies?” If the answer is yes, that deserves support not stigma.

Those who can remove a GLP1 from their life at some point in the future without worry of food noise or weight gain - all the more power to them. However there will be multitudes of us for whom such a prospect will not be possible.
 
(Sorry for the book I'm writing, but I hope the content will be helpful for some who read this.)


I understand your point of view, but I have been overweight most of my life. 28 years ago I tried and tried to lose the weight. I tried diets, I tried calorie counting, I tried listening to the USDA Nutrition guidelines...everything you just talked about, I did.

I finally found the correct way of eating when I came across Atkins (I mean the real Atkins, not the mainstream Atkins of today). I read the book and it just clicked. I finally learned that weight loss is a metabolic process that involves burning fat, and we can turn it on ourselves by limiting our intake of carbs. In just one day of no carbs the engine fires up, and keeps firing as long as we don't eat too many carbs (how do you know how many? test your urine for ketones). Gone were the days of counting calories. I lost 100 lbs in less than a year without counting a single one. I ate so much fat it should have been outlawed, but I had the best Cholesterol/triglyceride reading of my life.

I kept it off for 7 years by not eating excess carbs. Oh, I could have carbs, just not too many. And it would have stayed that way if I had not started freely eating carbs again. The minute I did, the weight started coming back - little by little by little. Not all at once, but steadily, til I weighed more than I did before. My fault, totally my fault. I own that. I think it's important that we all own responsibility for the bad habits we partake in, whatever they may be.

However when I tried Atkins again it wouldn't work because I had developed a nasty case of insulin resistance from all those carbs I ate all those years. I was truly desperate because I had no access to any GLP1s (medicare will not cover just being fat, you have to be fat with heart problems or diabetes). That's when I came across peptides. I read about Reta and how it burns fat through the glucagon receptor, and how it would control the blood sugar enough to stop the blood sugar dips. I actually waited months for it to become more readily available before I ordered it.

But I didn't do Reta alone. I ate low carb with it. No exercise - not possible with 2 deviated discs. The reta and low carb combined is the reason why I lost so much so quickly (without counting one calorie). I had a double fat burning machine going. But after I'm totally finished (working on getting rid of the nasty visceral fat, but that's another story) I will not continue Reta. It's done its job just as I hoped it would. I used the time while I was on Reta to get back into the low carb eating habit and trained my spouse to accept my way of eating (I fix his carby meal while I eat my own low carb one). And there is no way I will regain the weight if I don't put the carbs in my mouth - 7 years on maintenance the last time proves this to be totally true.

It upsets me that we've been taught and mislead by so many agencies about how to lose weight. True, some people lose weight counting calories, but it's due to restricting carbs. However there are some people who just can't lose weight with calorie counting because their body isn't able to handle very many carbs at all - by this I mean they have a really low carb limit (for example, mine is just 10 a day). When they go above it, the fat burning stops, so when they use a calorie restricted diet, no matter how low the calories, they never even start burning fat. Talk about frustrating!

That's what's happening when people say, 'I count calories, I eat right, but I just can't lose weight'. Their body will not burn fat if they eat over whatever their carb limit is. It's not my opinion, it's an actual physiological fact which you can easily prove to yourself by restricting carbs for a day (or two, depending on your free floating blood glucose level) then test your urine with ketone strips. The longer you go without carbs the higher the amt of ketones in your urine. Then eat a carb - count it so you know how much it is - then check your urine about 4-6 hours later. When the ketones disappear, you know you've hit your carb limit (hopefully it's higher than mine). As long as you stay below that limit you can burn fat - all without counting a single calorie. I haven't counted calories since I learned about Atkins, and I've lost 200 lbs (and counting) altogether since I started using it.

Weight loss has always been in our control but we were given the wrong tools. I happened on Atkins and I knew it was medically true, unlike all the other diets out there. I wish more people would use it, but it does take sacrifice. I still make my husband all his carb favorites - cinnamon rolls, pasta, cake, fries, etc.. I baked a half dozen sugar laden goodies for his workplace for Christmas just like I do every year and didn't eat any of it. I haven't had pizza in a year and I won't. We all just have to decide if losing and keeping the weight off is worth the sacrifice of ignoring that carby pizza slice or that sugary piece of cake. It is. I wish I had never reverted back to eating carbs all those years ago...my life is much harder now because of it (I wouldn't have the visceral fat to contend with, along with the insulin resistance.) But I know what is at stake now, and I don't need a GLP1 to make me be good.

So hopefully you can see I'm not being insensitive. I was in the trenches with everyone most of my life. I know very well the heartbreak of not being able to lose weight. I just don't think we should rely on GLP1s to keep the weight off and make us be good when we are capable of doing this ourselves if we would just try.

And just to clarify: I am not the picture of glowing health by any means. I'm not out of the ordinary at all, except maybe I am sicker than most people (2 Autoimmune diseases, sciatica, fibromyalgia, lyme disease, just to name the biggies). I bring this up because I didn't lose weight by being fit or even healthy. I just used science to my advantage and doubled my fat burning by combining Reta with low carb dieting. If it worked for an out of shape, overweight person like me, it can work for anyone.
 
There are many studies backing vegan, high-starch, low-fat diets for weight loss and better glycemic control. So it's almost like arguing about religion or politics at some point, and every body is different too. There was even the rice diet for diabetes.

The greatest consensus in the research for overall health and weight loss is a traditional, plant-based Mediterranean diet. In other words, mostly plants (including whole grains) and no ultra-processed foods.
 
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I am so very glad it worked for you, and the feeling we get when we have accomplished the weight loss is fantastic. And as I indicated, some people will be able to transition off GLPs - and others will not. Each person has to find what works for them. Those who can't cut the use of GLPs should not be discouraged or upset if they find they will need to continue the use of GLPs once they reach their goals. It is not something to be ashamed of. It is a biochemical process, not a willpower. Many will have tried the Atkins (myself included) - some find success, others not so much. Again, that "food noise" can override willpower. The GLPs help in that regard and offer an opportunity to work on changing habits and potentially being able to stop the GLPs, if their body will function properly after stopping them.
 
There are many studies backing vegan, high-starch, low-fat diets for weight loss and better glycemic control. So it's almost like arguing about religion or politics at some point, and every body is different too. There was even the rice diet for diabetes.

The greatest consensus in the research for overall health and weight loss is a traditional, plant-based Mediterranean diet. In other words, mostly plants (including whole grains) and no ultra-processed foods.

Every tried the potato diet? Slimemoldtimemold.com
Perhaps either high carb or high fat works for most.
 

"Average weight loss was under 4% for those who stopped treatment early, versus nearly 7% or those who stopped later on, the study says. Those who stayed on their medications lost an average 12% body weight."​


"People who stayed on their meds and received high doses lost nearly 14% of their body weight with semaglutide and 18% with tirzepatide."​

"Patients had higher odds of losing 10% or more of their body weight after a year if they remained on their meds, were prescribed a high dosage, were taking tirzepatide rather than semaglutide, and were female."​

I'd expect real world results not to be as good as in trials. Those in trials have the drugs paid for, actually get paid for taking the drugs, have more regular contact with their medical providers, and take the drugs under a preapproved plan based upon obtaining maximum results.
 
(Sorry for the book I'm writing, but I hope the content will be helpful for some who read this.)


I understand your point of view, but I have been overweight most of my life. 28 years ago I tried and tried to lose the weight. I tried diets, I tried calorie counting, I tried listening to the USDA Nutrition guidelines...everything you just talked about, I did.

I finally found the correct way of eating when I came across Atkins (I mean the real Atkins, not the mainstream Atkins of today). I read the book and it just clicked. I finally learned that weight loss is a metabolic process that involves burning fat, and we can turn it on ourselves by limiting our intake of carbs. In just one day of no carbs the engine fires up, and keeps firing as long as we don't eat too many carbs (how do you know how many? test your urine for ketones). Gone were the days of counting calories. I lost 100 lbs in less than a year without counting a single one. I ate so much fat it should have been outlawed, but I had the best Cholesterol/triglyceride reading of my life.

I kept it off for 7 years by not eating excess carbs. Oh, I could have carbs, just not too many. And it would have stayed that way if I had not started freely eating carbs again. The minute I did, the weight started coming back - little by little by little. Not all at once, but steadily, til I weighed more than I did before. My fault, totally my fault. I own that. I think it's important that we all own responsibility for the bad habits we partake in, whatever they may be.

However when I tried Atkins again it wouldn't work because I had developed a nasty case of insulin resistance from all those carbs I ate all those years. I was truly desperate because I had no access to any GLP1s (medicare will not cover just being fat, you have to be fat with heart problems or diabetes). That's when I came across peptides. I read about Reta and how it burns fat through the glucagon receptor, and how it would control the blood sugar enough to stop the blood sugar dips. I actually waited months for it to become more readily available before I ordered it.

But I didn't do Reta alone. I ate low carb with it. No exercise - not possible with 2 deviated discs. The reta and low carb combined is the reason why I lost so much so quickly (without counting one calorie). I had a double fat burning machine going. But after I'm totally finished (working on getting rid of the nasty visceral fat, but that's another story) I will not continue Reta. It's done its job just as I hoped it would. I used the time while I was on Reta to get back into the low carb eating habit and trained my spouse to accept my way of eating (I fix his carby meal while I eat my own low carb one). And there is no way I will regain the weight if I don't put the carbs in my mouth - 7 years on maintenance the last time proves this to be totally true.

It upsets me that we've been taught and mislead by so many agencies about how to lose weight. True, some people lose weight counting calories, but it's due to restricting carbs. However there are some people who just can't lose weight with calorie counting because their body isn't able to handle very many carbs at all - by this I mean they have a really low carb limit (for example, mine is just 10 a day). When they go above it, the fat burning stops, so when they use a calorie restricted diet, no matter how low the calories, they never even start burning fat. Talk about frustrating!

That's what's happening when people say, 'I count calories, I eat right, but I just can't lose weight'. Their body will not burn fat if they eat over whatever their carb limit is. It's not my opinion, it's an actual physiological fact which you can easily prove to yourself by restricting carbs for a day (or two, depending on your free floating blood glucose level) then test your urine with ketone strips. The longer you go without carbs the higher the amt of ketones in your urine. Then eat a carb - count it so you know how much it is - then check your urine about 4-6 hours later. When the ketones disappear, you know you've hit your carb limit (hopefully it's higher than mine). As long as you stay below that limit you can burn fat - all without counting a single calorie. I haven't counted calories since I learned about Atkins, and I've lost 200 lbs (and counting) altogether since I started using it.

Weight loss has always been in our control but we were given the wrong tools. I happened on Atkins and I knew it was medically true, unlike all the other diets out there. I wish more people would use it, but it does take sacrifice. I still make my husband all his carb favorites - cinnamon rolls, pasta, cake, fries, etc.. I baked a half dozen sugar laden goodies for his workplace for Christmas just like I do every year and didn't eat any of it. I haven't had pizza in a year and I won't. We all just have to decide if losing and keeping the weight off is worth the sacrifice of ignoring that carby pizza slice or that sugary piece of cake. It is. I wish I had never reverted back to eating carbs all those years ago...my life is much harder now because of it (I wouldn't have the visceral fat to contend with, along with the insulin resistance.) But I know what is at stake now, and I don't need a GLP1 to make me be good.

So hopefully you can see I'm not being insensitive. I was in the trenches with everyone most of my life. I know very well the heartbreak of not being able to lose weight. I just don't think we should rely on GLP1s to keep the weight off and make us be good when we are capable of doing this ourselves if we would just try.

And just to clarify: I am not the picture of glowing health by any means. I'm not out of the ordinary at all, except maybe I am sicker than most people (2 Autoimmune diseases, sciatica, fibromyalgia, lyme disease, just to name the biggies). I bring this up because I didn't lose weight by being fit or even healthy. I just used science to my advantage and doubled my fat burning by combining Reta with low carb dieting. If it worked for an out of shape, overweight person like me, it can work for anyone.
Yay, woo, congrats. Glad for you. I’ve been obese since I was a toddler. It didn’t start because of poor eating habits and overeating (I had no control over it, and my siblings ate the same diet and had no weight issues). I’ll probably need the GLP meds for life, because I don’t have food noise. Never have. Not going to debate my life experiences vs yours, but I have no doubt about my future. I’ll keep on doing what my body needs.

I get really sick of self-proclaimed experts who act like everyone’s body functions exactly the same. They don’t.
 
I get really sick of self-proclaimed experts who act like everyone’s body functions exactly the same. They don’t.
I get frustrated about this as well. What is also frustrating is assuming that everyone has the same access to everything. I have patients who do not have enough money to buy groceries that will last the full month. One of my patient's PCP told her to eat more fresh fruits and veg. She said "I can buy my three kids a pizza that will be meal for all of them, or I can buy three apples."
She supplements at food banks, which are filled with rice, pastas, potatoes, low nutrient food and never anything fresh. Not necessarily bad foods once on while, but their whole diet is based on cheap carbs - and she can't do anything about it.

A lot of people in this country are just doing the best they can to get by, and they are barely scraping up enough to do that. Not everyone can afford multiple trips to their PCP, gym memberships, healthy food, designer diets. Not everyone is healthy enough to exercise. I feel blessed and am very grateful that I am able to do these things.

I don't think the poster you are referring to meant to come off as an expert. I think sometimes we just get so excited when we find something that really works that we just want to shout it out to the world.
 
I have a huge weight loss on the GLPs too. from 263 to 150 - whatever body weight percentage that is.

That said, I find people's knowledge and attitudes about this rather uninformed. Granted, it’s a fair question to ask: “Should people really need to be on a GLP-1 for the rest of their lives? Shouldn’t they just learn to eat better and exercise?” It sounds simple. But for many people, it’s not.

The truth is, many individuals already do those things. They count every calorie, track their macros, walk their 10,000 steps, lift weights, skip dessert, drink water, and follow advice to the letter and still struggle with weight. Why? Because obesity isn’t just a behavior problem. It’s a complex, chronic, biological condition. While healthy nutrition and regular physical activity are undeniably crucial components of a healthy lifestyle, they are not always the complete solution for everyone struggling with obesity or chronic weight management. The human body is an intricate biochemical system, and for many, the challenges extend far beyond conscious dietary choices or exercise routines. This isn't a failure of willpower; it's a reflection of an internal biochemical imbalance.

GLP-1 receptor agonists (like sema or tirz) don’t just help people “eat less.” They modulate hormonal and neurological processes. They work on insulin signaling, slow gastric emptying, and affect areas of the brain responsible for appetite and reward. They reduce one of the most profound and often misunderstood aspects of chronic weight struggles, what many call “food noise”, which is the constant, intrusive thoughts about food that drive hunger and cravings far beyond nutritional need. Food noise isn't merely a craving; it's a relentless, pervasive preoccupation with food: when to eat, what to eat, how much to eat, and the constant mental battle against hunger, even after consuming adequate calories.

Individuals who have never experienced this persistent internal dialogue cannot truly grasp the immense relief that GLP-1 medications provide by quieting this mental cacophony. For these individuals, their bodies are not processing or signaling satiety in the same way as someone with a balanced metabolism. For those who live with food noise, the relief GLP-1s provide isn’t just about eating less. It’s about finally getting mental quiet and biochemical balance. It’s like giving someone glasses who’s been trying to see clearly by just squinting harder. Behavior and willpower can’t fix a biological misfire.

GLP-1 medications are not a substitute for healthy eating and exercise. Rather, they are a powerful additional tool that addresses a fundamental physiological deficit. In other words, this isn’t about choosing medicine instead of good nutrition and exercise. It's about recognizing that for some people, lifestyle change alone isn’t enough, not because they lack discipline, but because their physiology is fighting them. The medication provides the missing piece of the puzzle, allowing their bodies to respond more effectively to healthy lifestyle interventions. Without it, they are essentially fighting a battle with one hand tied behind their back. GLP-1s can give their body the metabolic support it needs to make those healthy choices effective and sustainable.

Saying people should be able to stop these medications once they “learn healthy habits” is as flawed as suggesting a person with Type 1 diabetes can stop insulin if they just eat right. Would we tell a person with Type 2 diabetes, once their blood sugar is well-managed with insulin or oral medications, that they no longer need their medication because they've "learned to eat right"? Absolutely not. Their pancreas still has an underlying dysfunction. Or that someone with chronic hypertension can toss their meds after enough jogging. A person with high blood pressure who achieves healthy readings with medication isn't advised to discontinue their treatment because they've "learned to manage stress" or "eat low-sodium." Their cardiovascular system still has a predisposition to elevated pressure. Or someone on thyroid hormone replacement therapy for an underactive thyroid gland doesn't suddenly "cure" their condition through diet and exercise and stop their medication. That’s not how chronic disease management works. In all these cases, medication manages a chronic physiological imbalance. Obesity, for many, is no different. It's a chronic, relapsing disease with a strong genetic and biological component, not simply a failure of personal discipline.

So yes, for some, GLP-1s may be needed long-term, just like blood pressure meds, insulin, SSRIs, or thyroid replacements. We don’t ask others to justify lifelong treatment for medical conditions just because they’re invisible or misunderstood. Obesity deserves the same respect and science-based care. While personal responsibility for diet and exercise remains important, it's time to move beyond the antiquated and often shaming narrative that places the entire burden of weight management on individual willpower. For many, GLP-1 agonists offer a vital physiological correction, allowing them to achieve sustainable weight loss, quiet the internal struggle of "food noise," and ultimately lead healthier, more fulfilling lives. Their bodies need this additional support, and it's a medical necessity, not a lifestyle choice to be dismissed.

So, instead of framing it as “do they really need it forever?”, perhaps we should ask “does it help them live better, healthier, and more peacefully in their bodies?” If the answer is yes, that deserves support not stigma.

Those who can remove a GLP1 from their life at some point in the future without worry of food noise or weight gain - all the more power to them. However there will be multitudes of us for whom such a prospect will not be possible.
absolutely beautiful thought out response! I appreciate you and others taking the time to respond to the typical, just put the fork down mentality. We all have different bodies and responses to things. I hate reading the comments like the one you were responding to. Without glp1's I literally do not get full, doesn't matter what I try.

"well this worked for me so this is what everyone else seems to be doing wrong" is so poisonous. I wish it was that easy.
 
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I finally found the correct way of eating when I came across Atkins (I mean the real Atkins, not the mainstream Atkins of today). I read the book and it just clicked. I finally learned that weight loss is a metabolic process that involves burning fat, and we can turn it on ourselves by limiting our intake of carbs. In just one day of no carbs the engine fires up, and keeps firing as long as we don't eat too many carbs (how do you know how many? test your urine for ketones). Gone were the days of counting calories. I lost 100 lbs in less than a year without counting a single one. I ate so much fat it should have been outlawed, but I had the best Cholesterol/triglyceride reading of my life.
You lost that much weight because you ate less on keto. I've done keto - it worked when I kept my caloric intake lower than my expenditure. When I didn't, it didn't - no matter how dark my ketone strips were. This is the same as every other restrictive diet people go on.

It upsets me that we've been taught and mislead by so many agencies about how to lose weight. True, some people lose weight counting calories, but it's due to restricting carbs. However there are some people who just can't lose weight with calorie counting because their body isn't able to handle very many carbs at all - by this I mean they have a really low carb limit (for example, mine is just 10 a day). When they go above it, the fat burning stops, so when they use a calorie restricted diet, no matter how low the calories, they never even start burning fat. Talk about frustrating!

That's what's happening when people say, 'I count calories, I eat right, but I just can't lose weight'. Their body will not burn fat if they eat over whatever their carb limit is. It's not my opinion, it's an actual physiological fact which you can easily prove to yourself by restricting carbs for a day (or two, depending on your free floating blood glucose level) then test your urine with ketone strips. The longer you go without carbs the higher the amt of ketones in your urine. Then eat a carb - count it so you know how much it is - then check your urine about 4-6 hours later. When the ketones disappear, you know you've hit your carb limit (hopefully it's higher than mine). As long as you stay below that limit you can burn fat - all without counting a single calorie. I haven't counted calories since I learned about Atkins, and I've lost 200 lbs (and counting) altogether since I started using it.
There is nothing magic about carbs. They don't let you break the second law of thermodynamics. Energy has to come from somewhere, and if you put less energy in than you expend you will lose weight, regardless of whether or not your intake is all carbs.

Lipolysis still occurs if you are in a caloric deficit even if you're not in ketosis. Your body literally has to burn fat or muscle for energy if you don't have enough caloric intake to cover your energy demands (and on the muscle side, ketosis doesn't prevent catabolic breakdown of muscle either - not enough protein, not enough stimulus, they'll still get hit).

Even when lipolysis is increased by whatever process, if you don't use the freed up fat now in your bloodstream for energy, it just... gets redeposited as fat. You don't just excrete it.

I actually agree with you that people should spend their time on GLP-1s building habits that would make them successful if they were to come off the GLP-1s - regardless of whether or not they plan to ever come off, because it will make them healthier people and make the impact of the GLP-1s larger, all while the GLP-1s make it easier to do so. But the rest of this is nonsense - if keto helps you control your eating in a way that works for you, awesome, go for it! But it's not sorcery that bends or breaks the underpinning rules of how reality works, which is what you are suggesting it does.
 

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