Thoughts on HGH

Great starting point

NOTE: Growth hormone is measured in IU (international units) and mg (milligrams):

1 mg = 3 IU

1 IU = 0.33 mg

Starting dose:

• Age below 30 years:

1.2 – 1.5 IU per day (0.4 – 0.5 mg/day) (may be higher for patients transitioning from pediatric treatment)

• Age 30-60 years:

0.6 – 0.9 IU per day (0.2 – 0.3 mg/day)

• Age over 60 years:

0.3 -0.6 IU per day (0.1-0.2 mg/day)

Patient with diabetes or who are susceptible to insulin resistance / glucose intolerance should use the lowest starting dose (0.3 -0.6 IU per day) regardless of age.

Subcutaneous injections are usually administered in the evening to mimic physiologic nocturnal GH secretion.

Dose escalation (titration):

At 1- to 2-month intervals, increase dose in increments of 0.3 -0.6 IU per day (0.1-0.2 mg/day) based on clinical response, blood IGF-1 levels, side effects, and individual considerations such as insulin resistance / glucose intolerance.

Longer time intervals and smaller dose increments may be necessary in older patients.

Goal with GH treatment:

Aim for blood IGF-I levels in the middle of the normal range appropriate for age and sex, unless side effects are significant. Consider a trial of higher GH doses to determine whether this provides further benefit as long as the serum IGF-I levels remain within the normal range and the patient does not experience side effects.

Monitoring:

While IGF-1 levels are not a good indicator of GH status, the usefulness of IGF-1 for monitoring treatment of GH disorders in adulthood is now widely accepted, especially as GH-dosing regimens for growth hormone deficiency have evolved from weight-based dosing (associated with overtreatment and side effects) to individualized dose-titration strategies, which maintain IGF1 within target limits.[7]

At 6-month intervals once maintenance doses are achieved. Monitoring should include clinical evaluation and assessment of side effects, blood IGF-1, fasting blood glucose levels, and T3, T4 and free T4, as well at lipid profile. Quality of life measurements may be done every 6 or 12 months.

Patients on concurrent thyroid, sex hormone or glucocorticoid treatment may need dose adjustments after starting GH replacement therapy.

Factors that may cause a need for higher GH doses:

• Young patients regardless of onset type

• Low blood IGF-1 levels

• Addition of oral estrogen

• Change from transdermal to oral estrogen

• To induce breakdown of stored body fat (lipolysis)

Factors that may cause a need for lower GH doses:

• Elderly patients

• High blood IGF-1 levels

• Discontinuation of oral estrogen

• Change from oral to transdermal estrogen

• Co-treatment with testosterone

• Elevation in fasting blood glucose and/or HbA1c (i.e. worsening glucose tolerance)

• Side effects
 
I found this, it has a fairly good review of studies of hgh and related drugs on human aging and lots of examples of doses used in the studies.
 
Acromegaly and organomegaly aren’t as much of a concern as people make them out to be. Believe it’s overhyped. Listen to any knowledgeable source and they will say running high levels of IGF-1 for extended periods of time lis the problem.
 
Acromegaly and organomegaly aren’t as much of a concern as people make them out to be. Believe it’s overhyped. Listen to any knowledgeable source and they will say running high levels of IGF-1 for extended periods of time lis the problem.
I do a low dose and don't give organ growth a second thought. Now if I was doing crazy iu's like some mention.
 
Im thinking about starting hgh probably something low around 6-8IUs a day. Im 18 yrs old and Im just looking to increase bonemass/musclemass and keep my growth hormone supply high for my overall health. Im on Reta and i'll be monitoring my glucose, so i wont have the appetite to give myself diabetes. I already have been doing natural methods to max out my test and growth hormone since I was 15 (ive had a beard since i was 16). Im clearly either past-puberty or at the end, so Im not really in it for the height gain. I know that taking test is obviosuly much better but Its so much more work especially for when i want to have kids and have to deal with hgc and a million other ones to take to counteract the side effects. Its very tiring and almost impossible to naturally max out my hgh and if im going to take a peptide for it i would rather have it be exogenous instead of something like ipa/cjc.

Im wondering if any of you guys have been on a long-term lowdose of HGH and how it worked for you.
Don't. Don't use AAS and for certain stay away from hgh. 18 years old? WTF?
 
And solid advice on how much to take so i don't get an enlarged heart is greatly appreciated, i had been advised that 3-5IU a day is ok? I have been slowly increasing up to 2IU twice a day, just before bed (2hrs fasted) and first thing in the morning 4:30am (fasting till 10am).
I am looking to burn fat and improve my sleep, is .45IU twice a day enough to achieve this and safely?
3iu. 5iu is too much.
 
I have reduced it to 1.2IU twice a day, is this still to high?
Starting dose:

• Age below 30 years:

1.2 – 1.5 IU per day (0.4 – 0.5 mg/day) (may be higher for patients transitioning from pediatric treatment)

• Age 30-60 years:

0.6 – 0.9 IU per day (0.2 – 0.3 mg/day)

• Age over 60 years:

0.3 -0.6 IU per day (0.1-0.2 mg/day)

Patient with diabetes or who are susceptible to insulin resistance / glucose intolerance should use the lowest starting dose (0.3 -0.6 IU per day) regardless of age.

Subcutaneous injections are usually administered in the evening to mimic physiologic nocturnal GH secretion.

Dose escalation (titration):

At 1- to 2-month intervals, increase dose in increments of 0.3 -0.6 IU per day (0.1-0.2 mg/day) based on clinical response, blood IGF-1 levels, side effects, and individual considerations such as insulin resistance / glucose intolerance.

Longer time intervals and smaller dose increments may be necessary in older patients.

Goal with GH treatment:

Aim for blood IGF-I levels in the middle of the normal range appropriate for age and sex, unless side effects are significant. Consider a trial of higher GH doses to determine whether this provides further benefit as long as the serum IGF-I levels remain within the normal range and the patient does not experience side effects.

Monitoring:

While IGF-1 levels are not a good indicator of GH status, the usefulness of IGF-1 for monitoring treatment of GH disorders in adulthood is now widely accepted, especially as GH-dosing regimens for growth hormone deficiency have evolved from weight-based dosing (associated with overtreatment and side effects) to individualized dose-titration strategies, which maintain IGF1 within target limits.[7]

At 6-month intervals once maintenance doses are achieved. Monitoring should include clinical evaluation and assessment of side effects, blood IGF-1, fasting blood glucose levels, and T3, T4 and free T4, as well at lipid profile. Quality of life measurements may be done every 6 or 12 months.

Patients on concurrent thyroid, sex hormone or glucocorticoid treatment may need dose adjustments after starting GH replacement therapy.

Factors that may cause a need for higher GH doses:

• Young patients regardless of onset type

• Low blood IGF-1 levels

• Addition of oral estrogen

• Change from transdermal to oral estrogen

• To induce breakdown of stored body fat (lipolysis)

Factors that may cause a need for lower GH doses:

• Elderly patients

• High blood IGF-1 levels

• Discontinuation of oral estrogen

• Change from oral to transdermal estrogen

• Co-treatment with testosterone

• Elevation in fasting blood glucose and/or HbA1c (i.e. worsening glucose tolerance)
 
See, this is another reason I’m not touching the stuff yet. I hadn’t even looked into mg to IU conversion yet. I got 15IU bottles for down the road vaguely assuming a 1 to 1 conversion.

I’m sitting here giggling to myself over my vendor asking me to double check the vial amounts for my order and I thought she meant to make sure I really meant to only order the little 5mg Reta bottles. Nope… she was wondering what the heck I had in mind with enough HGH to knock over a horse.

P.S. If I’m ever doing something stupid please feel free to correct me!
I SO needed a laugh today. Imagine the horse falling over. Sorry. Dark Horse in the house!
 
You’re too young. You won’t notice the benefits and likely won’t have the patience to see or feel them as hgh is a slow burn.

is it a slow burn? The secretogues affect me immdiately... why is hgh a slow burn?

I am 45, I have been using CJC IPA. My main motivation was sleep, and it has helped with that. But Its helped in the gym. It gives my muscles way more volume... but I really badly want recomp and max fat loss as I am stalling like crazy

thinking about moving over to hgh
 
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is it a slow burn? The secretogues affect me immdiately... why is hgh a slow burn?

I am 45, I have been using CJC IPA. My main motivation was sleep, and it has helped with that. But Its helped in the gym. It gives my muscles way more volume... but I really badly want recomp and max fat loss as I am stalling like crazy

thinking about moving over to hgh
What's your thoughts on CJC/IPA i am about to start any tips?
 
I have reduced it to 1.2IU twice a day, is this still to high?
Do you have labs? Anyone can post numbers.. go by your labs. Igf/z score, lipids, A1C, fasting insulin, cmp..

I like staying around the 2.0 z. Current labs look great. Started at 2iu, went up to 6iu in bulk. Currently coasting at 4iu daily. Give it 4-6 weeks when titrating and rerun your igf/z to see where you’re at. I run my bg/fbg morning and nightly. A cgm or any gm off Amazon works.
 
What's your thoughts on CJC/IPA i am about to start any tips?

The main thing I would say is, try to tritate since that will help mitigate water retention. Water retention will make you look puffier unfortunately, especially the face, but it does fade after a few weeks

The other thing is, i had to get to quite a high dose for it to really help with my sleep. Currently at about 400mcg of each and sleep is much better than it used to be. Taking it at night before sleeping works well for me, you need like 30 mins for the flush to fade

Real good for the gym, definitely more muscular than I used to be with the exact same work outs

I am toying with jumping on HGH. Supposedly its much more effective... but more sides... not sure about it though. I would like more fat loss
 
Do you have labs? Anyone can post numbers.. go by your labs. Igf/z score, lipids, A1C, fasting insulin, cmp..

I like staying around the 2.0 z. Current labs look great. Started at 2iu, went up to 6iu in bulk. Currently coasting at 4iu daily. Give it 4-6 weeks when titrating and rerun your igf/z to see where you’re at. I run my bg/fbg morning and nightly. A cgm or any gm off Amazon works.
I have only done 1 IGF-1 test so far, it was just to test if the HGH working at all and not fake, so on advice for a friend took a much higher does just before. Test results for IGF-1 45.6 will get more done soon.
My glucose levels were great 3.7 so not concerned about them, but i will still look at getting a cgm anyway.
Thank you for your post it is greatly appreciated, i have currently returned to 2mg of HGH twice a day, just before bed at least 2 hours fasted and then first thing in the morning and not eating till 10am. Seems to be working, but a cgm would help confirm glucose levels.
 
The main thing I would say is, try to tritate since that will help mitigate water retention. Water retention will make you look puffier unfortunately, especially the face, but it does fade after a few weeks

The other thing is, i had to get to quite a high dose for it to really help with my sleep. Currently at about 400mcg of each and sleep is much better than it used to be. Taking it at night before sleeping works well for me, you need like 30 mins for the flush to fade

Real good for the gym, definitely more muscular than I used to be with the exact same work outs

I am toying with jumping on HGH. Supposedly its much more effective... but more sides... not sure about it though. I would like more fat loss
Thank you will start low and build up. Currently starting to bulk, running enclo and Cialis and titrating off Reta. Will keep you posted. Should be receiving it today 🙂
 
I'm 42, my IGF-1 was at 315 with a Z-score of 1.9 after five weeks on Tesa and IPA. Unfortunately I didn't get a baseline before the secretagogues. I'll retest after I finish the cycle on 4/9. I have some HGH on the way, but seems like I responded pretty well to the secretagogues.
 
All these people fear mongering in ur replies just don’t know much.. I would say lower the doses a bit and don’t expect much “bonemass” from hgh lol I doubt tha at 18 your sutures are open. Stop looking at doses start looking at blood testing and results. Id always say for HGH start at 2 iu and titrate up, do a blood test every month or so to see what dosage is best for you and have ancillaries on hand. Don’t use them immediately but track ur blood sugar and blood pressure, good luck man 🙏 (and stay away from TikTok for a lil while)
 
Also long term use at those doses could definitely cause acromegaly, and I assume you do not want an extra large nose, thick brow ridges and extra large jaw and thick coarser skin and bigger hands etc etc.
posted this before the previous post
Acromegaly is something that happens over YEARS lol and by the way this kids talking I think a thick brow ridge and jaw is kind of the goal
 

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