Tracy gone MIA?

keangkong said:
We shall see. Despite being a newbie, I have an opinion about this: Tracy has been selling peptides for a long time and steroids before that. Tracy's reputation means a great deal. Yes, I know Tracy bad talks many folks, rubbing them the wrong way. However, Tracy also has a reputation for always delivering the stuff when paid. Tracy also has a reputation for producing general high quality stuff. Tracy has a reputation for honoring the representations made by Tracy. Tracy was likely the biggest seller of grey peptides. Tracy's reputation is worth too much for Tracy to simply disappear. In the world of grey, having a loyal base of past customers is extremely valuable. Unless Tracy is genuinely ready to retire or has gotten into some sort of trouble, for example, being incarcerated, there is too much money to be lost if Tracy doesn't come back. As to Tracy saying that that Tracy would be back in a few days, Tracy didn't quite say that; I posted exactly what Tracy said below. It is typical for things to be quiet during Chinese New Year. I still expect Tracy back. However, until my last order gets delivered, I won't be purchasing anything from Tracy. I've been happy with my SRY orders. I do recall at least one person, I believe in this forum, saying that a purchase made shortly before Tracy disappeared has arrived.

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I feel like you said Tracy as many times as you could in an effort to summon them. Like Bloody Mary.
 
I know how it sounds, but maybe if we all build a little shrine to Tracy and burn some of our favorite peptides on a tiny altar before her image, she'll come back. Just a thought.
 
This is Tracy right now:

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keangkong said:
We shall see. Despite being a newbie, I have an opinion about this: Tracy has been selling peptides for a long time and steroids before that. Tracy's reputation means a great deal. Yes, I know Tracy bad talks many folks, rubbing them the wrong way. However, Tracy also has a reputation for always delivering the stuff when paid. Tracy also has a reputation for producing general high quality stuff. Tracy has a reputation for honoring the representations made by Tracy. Tracy was likely the biggest seller of grey peptides. Tracy's reputation is worth too much for Tracy to simply disappear. In the world of grey, having a loyal base of past customers is extremely valuable. Unless Tracy is genuinely ready to retire or has gotten into some sort of trouble, for example, being incarcerated, there is too much money to be lost if Tracy doesn't come back. As to Tracy saying that that Tracy would be back in a few days, Tracy didn't quite say that; I posted exactly what Tracy said below. It is typical for things to be quiet during Chinese New Year. I still expect Tracy back. However, until my last order gets delivered, I won't be purchasing anything from Tracy. I've been happy with my SRY orders. I do recall at least one person, I believe in this forum, saying that a purchase made shortly before Tracy disappeared has arrived.
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Chinese law enforcement is notoriously corrupt. If I had to read between the lines, it sounded like they were renegotiating their "look the other way" fees. But then their website expiration is a bad sign that perhaps they're shuttering their doors.

I assumed that a few days meant they were taking off early for CNY.

Only time will tell.

If Tracy doesn't come back, I'm sure components of QSC will reform and regroup into a new fake entity and show up on the scene shortly after CNY.
 
brentm said:
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Chinese law enforcement is notoriously corrupt. If I had to read between the lines, it sounded like they were renegotiating their "look the other way" fees. But then their website expiration is a bad sign that perhaps they're shuttering their doors.

I assumed that a few days meant they were taking off early for CNY.

Only time will tell.

If Tracy doesn't come back, I'm sure components of QSC will reform and regroup into a new fake entity and show up on the scene shortly after CNY.
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Tracy is a smart cookie and surely knew the gig wasn’t forever. Eventually ends in retirement or jail. If I were him, assuming he got a healthy cut of those millions and the Chinese operation got stung by the authorities there, I’d probably just call it good and move on. I know this is a lot of assumptions with little evidence but it’s why I’m thinking we won’t see them again in any recognizable form.

Maybe some GB thing with a source called QYQ will pop up with a different cast of characters just like XCE/XYX, but without Tracy or the brand recognition that comes with the name QSC I don’t know that the legacy is all that marketable.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Tracy is a smart cookie and surely knew the gig wasn’t forever. Eventually ends in retirement or jail. If I were him, assuming he got a healthy cut of those millions and the Chinese operation got stung by the authorities there, I’d probably just call it good and move on. I know this is a lot of assumptions with little evidence but it’s why I’m thinking we won’t see them again in any recognizable form.

Maybe some GB thing with a source called QYQ will pop up with a different cast of characters just like XCE/XYX, but without Tracy or the brand recognition that comes with the name QSC I don’t know that the legacy is all that marketable.
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It looks like their Bitcoin wallet has just under half a million in it...

The wallet their funds were swept to, which is a native segwit address, has a staggering 6251.26 BTC in it... which in USD is $655,857,137.00

Well over half a billion dollars

Wow.

I won't share the addresses but this information was gleaned from the addresses they send to their customers.

This is precisely why you shouldn't use a single address as outlined in the Bitcoin whitepaper from Papa Satoshi.
 
brentm said:
It looks like their Bitcoin wallet has just under half a million in it...

The wallet their funds were swept to, which is a native segwit address, has a staggering 6251.26 BTC in it... which in USD is $655,857,137.00

Well over half a billion dollars

Wow.

I won't share the addresses but this information was gleaned from the addresses they send to their customers.

This is precisely why you shouldn't use a single address as outlined in the Bitcoin whitepaper from Papa Satoshi.
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If we assume Tracy is a bad negotiator and was getting a measly 1% commission that’s 6.5million based on the bitcoin wallet alone. There were also lots of wire transfer transactions, and Alibaba payments back before redditkarengate. Hard to imagine he is coming back with that kind of money and exponentially more LE attention.
 
brentm said:
It looks like their Bitcoin wallet has just under half a million in it...

The wallet their funds were swept to, which is a native segwit address, has a staggering 6251.26 BTC in it... which in USD is $655,857,137.00

Well over half a billion dollars

Wow.

I won't share the addresses but this information was gleaned from the addresses they send to their customers.

This is precisely why you shouldn't use a single address as outlined in the Bitcoin whitepaper from Papa Satoshi.
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And all of that is not to mention the other types of crypto that were accepted. I always paid with USDT
 
brentm said:
It looks like their Bitcoin wallet has just under half a million in it...

The wallet their funds were swept to, which is a native segwit address, has a staggering 6251.26 BTC in it... which in USD is $655,857,137.00

Well over half a billion dollars

Wow.

I won't share the addresses but this information was gleaned from the addresses they send to their customers.

This is precisely why you shouldn't use a single address as outlined in the Bitcoin whitepaper from Papa Satoshi.
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With that kind of money sitting in the wallet, I guarantee you that selling steroids to gym rats and GLPs to soccer moms weren't their primary money makers.... That or it's an account for the parent company to launder money from the CN gov accountants
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
If we assume Tracy is a bad negotiator and was getting a measly 1% commission that’s 6.5million based on the bitcoin wallet alone. There were also lots of wire transfer transactions, and Alibaba payments back before redditkarengate. Hard to imagine he is coming back with that kind of money and exponentially more LE attention.
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Agreed.

I didn't look at the balances over time, but also I assume that balance is their "net"... so after most of the payments for production and raws have been made. Since they've been at it over some period of time, I'd imagine the rise in Bitcoin's price has also been a significant contributing factor.

The wallet activity is strange... it must be scripted. They keep moving small amounts from their known wallet to that segwit address. As if it was some attempt to keep their transactions under the radar of those watching blocks.
geoguy78 said:
With that kind of money sitting in the wallet, I guarantee you that selling steroids to gym rats and GLPs to soccer moms weren't their primary money makers.... That or it's an account for the parent company to launder money from the CN gov accountants
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I did some math on a SRYLAB sale. Alan mentioned how many "kits" they had to sell before the promo ended. Just some quick math and it was millions of dollars worth.... Just one promo (GB) for only one product.

You might be surprised how deep the market is for this stuff. I think the people on here only represent a tip of the iceberg for the entire dark market of peptides and steeroids. But in the same breath I'd say that they also likely sell a lot of products outside of both markets. Likely ones that land you on the DOJ website. Pure speculation on my part, but I assume that if they have the tech and knowledge to do so, they probably are doing it if it pays.
 
brentm said:
Agreed.

I didn't look at the balances over time, but also I assume that balance is their "net"... so after most of the payments for production and raws have been made. Since they've been at it over some period of time, I'd imagine the rise in Bitcoin's price has also been a significant contributing factor.

The wallet activity is strange... it must be scripted. They keep moving small amounts from their known wallet to that segwit address. As if it was some attempt to keep their transactions under the radar of those watching blocks.


I did some math on a SRYLAB sale. Alan mentioned how many "kits" they had to sell before the promo ended. Just some quick math and it was millions of dollars worth.... Just one promo (GB) for only one product.

You might be surprised how deep the market is for this stuff. I think the people on here only represent a tip of the iceberg for the entire dark market of peptides and steeroids. But in the same breath I'd say that they also likely sell a lot of products outside of both markets. Likely ones that land you on the DOJ website. Pure speculation on my part, but I assume that if they have the tech and knowledge to do so, they probably are doing it if it pays.
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Just being on the discords, I see people mentioning sellers I've never even heard of all the time. There's private discords, telegrams, forums, facebooks, even on TikTok I've seen some in this niche. We're small fry.
 
chmuse said:
Just being on the discords, I see people mentioning sellers I've never even heard of all the time. There's private discords, telegrams, forums, facebooks, even on TikTok I've seen some in this niche. We're small fry.
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Agreed. They've done a good job of employing lots of independent resellers to hide the likely fact that there are only a couple of real factories producing this stuff in China.

Think of it like an upside down funnel.
 
I don’t know about where y’all live but around here there is a medspa in every strip mall, I’m fairly certain they’ll all basically glp1 reselling operations buying from the same places we do. The scale of this market is completely unprecedented which is why I reject the argument that “steroids have always been available despite gov intervention so glp1s will be as well.”
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I don’t know about where y’all live but around here there is a medspa in every strip mall, I’m fairly certain they’ll all basically glp1 reselling operations buying from the same places we do. The scale of this market is completely unprecedented which is why I reject the argument that “steroids have always been available despite gov intervention so glp1s will be as well.”
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Do you believe the risk is lobbying for harsher enforcement and penalties by big pharma. I only have 3 years worth in the freezer. Seems like a lot, but if the sources disappear, that'll suck.

The gray market is proof positive that the elastic demand for GLP1s if big pharma were to simply lower prices and scale their production to meet the increase in demand as prices become more affordable. Baffling why they choose to constrain supply and keep prices pegged so high.
 
brentm said:
Do you believe the risk is lobbying for harsher enforcement and penalties by big pharma. I only have 3 years worth in the freezer. Seems like a lot, but if the sources disappear, that'll suck.

The gray market is proof positive that the elastic demand for GLP1s if big pharma were to simply lower prices and scale their production to meet the increase in demand as prices become more affordable. Baffling why they choose to constrain supply and keep prices pegged so high.
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I believe that scale is such that diplomatic and trade policy pressure will be applied to China in a way we've never seen before for UGL meds. China definitely has the ability to shut it down internally if they wish to, and we've seen some action from them doing so in recent weeks. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the glp1 export market is a part of the conversations that are happening between US-China as they work through what the new admin's tariffs will look like.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I believe that scale is such that diplomatic and trade policy pressure will be applied to China in a way we've never seen before for UGL meds. China definitely has the ability to shut it down internally if they wish to, and we've seen some action from them doing so in recent weeks. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the glp1 export market is a part of the conversations that are happening between US-China as they work through what the new admin's tariffs will look like.
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I can't really make up my mind on if I think it's really on the radar for the trade discussions.

On one hand, the fentanyl issue has been a major sticking point for over a decade now, and we're just now finally seeing traction on it.

On the other, it's obvious that if you take care of the opioid production that a lot of the peptide production is going to get caught up in it - SRY, ASC, and I think fairly obviously QSC have links there. I imagine all of the major peptide producers do. And if you're at the negotiating table on the trade side, maybe you get it lumped in.

But back to the first hand, opioid access is a major political talking point. If GLP-1s are a talking point, it's in the opposite direction - the lack of access. Does cracking down on them serve a political purpose? Does Lilly have the political power to fast track it?

I think it's a little unlikely - things just never seem to move that fast. But it's not an area I'd bet my life on things.
 
peptideusername said:
I appreciate your optimism... but Q probably isn't coming back - and if they do, it's not like Tracy is going to wow you with customer service like he used to. lol
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I agree. That’s why I switched to another company. I had placed an order of 2 40 mg kits of Tirzepatide and 2 kits of 2 mg Sema. I received the Tirz but never received the Sema. When I would contact Tracy about it, all I received in response was the old Tirz tracking number, over and over. Finally, I just quit trying. They kept my $80 without any communication or attempt at atonement.
 
hexagonal said:
I can't really make up my mind on if I think it's really on the radar for the trade discussions.

On one hand, the fentanyl issue has been a major sticking point for over a decade now, and we're just now finally seeing traction on it.

On the other, it's obvious that if you take care of the opioid production that a lot of the peptide production is going to get caught up in it - SRY, ASC, and I think fairly obviously QSC have links there. I imagine all of the major peptide producers do. And if you're at the negotiating table on the trade side, maybe you get it lumped in.

But back to the first hand, opioid access is a major political talking point. If GLP-1s are a talking point, it's in the opposite direction - the lack of access. Does cracking down on them serve a political purpose? Does Lilly have the political power to fast track it?

I think it's a little unlikely - things just never seem to move that fast. But it's not an area I'd bet my life on things.
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I think it's possible GLP1s will be collateral damage of the fent crackdown. As we both speculated, it has to be a fairly significant portion of their business. Sometimes I wonder if SRY and QSC are just the rockstar indy resellers for the same pool of resources.

Like they got big enough and spent enough time on the front lines that they can afford to hire helpers.

I guess what I'm saying is... and this is just a hunch... that we can probably count the manufacturing sources for all our supply on one hand. There might be some a dozen or so finishers that take raws and press out some pills or make some oils. But if this small handful of manufacturers cease production... it's curtains for us. I'd expect prices to soar along with major supply constraints.

I hate to be the FUD guy, but EWB makes a pretty strong argument. If the new administration turns the right screws, it'd probably be cheaper for these guys to just take an extended holiday and come back in a few years when conditions are more favorable.
 
brentm said:
I think it's possible GLP1s will be collateral damage of the fent crackdown. As we both speculated, it has to be a fairly significant portion of their business. Sometimes I wonder if SRY and QSC are just the rockstar indy resellers for the same pool of resources.

Like they got big enough and spent enough time on the front lines that they can afford to hire helpers.

I guess what I'm saying is... and this is just a hunch... that we can probably count the manufacturing sources for all our supply on one hand. There might be some a dozen or so finishers that take raws and press out some pills or make some oils. But if this small handful of manufacturers cease production... it's curtains for us. I'd expect prices to soar along with major supply constraints.

I hate to be the FUD guy, but EWB makes a pretty strong argument. If the new administration turns the right screws, it'd probably be cheaper for these guys to just take an extended holiday and come back in a few years when conditions are more favorable.
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Yeah. Worries about it all is why I now have stockpiled quite a lot of peptides and AAS to last me through the next bit if necessary.

One thing that makes me think QSC might have a different source for at least some of it is that it sounds like they've been fairly consistently showing higher purity on HGH than the other Chinese suppliers, based on what I've read on a few other forums. I've not been shopping around that market long enough to have any idea how true that is, though.
 
keangkong said:
I'm hoping that Tracy reappears and starts cursing at us for thinking that he wasn't coming back. i want my "girl" back.
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I am choosing blind optimism that our girl will come back😅Finally got up the courage to make the jump to international vendors for gray only for my first order to be seized by customs a week after QSC went dark. I need Tracy to surprise us all
 
Unthinmint said:
I am choosing blind optimism that our girl will come back😅Finally got up the courage to make the jump to international vendors for gray only for my first order to be seized by customs a week after QSC went dark. I need Tracy to surprise us all
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QSC was seized? Their stuff is generally cloaked so well it's been said that it gets the hand wave...
 
brentm said:
I think it's possible GLP1s will be collateral damage of the fent crackdown. As we both speculated, it has to be a fairly significant portion of their business. Sometimes I wonder if SRY and QSC are just the rockstar indy resellers for the same pool of resources.

Like they got big enough and spent enough time on the front lines that they can afford to hire helpers.

I guess what I'm saying is... and this is just a hunch... that we can probably count the manufacturing sources for all our supply on one hand. There might be some a dozen or so finishers that take raws and press out some pills or make some oils. But if this small handful of manufacturers cease production... it's curtains for us. I'd expect prices to soar along with major supply constraints.

I hate to be the FUD guy, but EWB makes a pretty strong argument. If the new administration turns the right screws, it'd probably be cheaper for these guys to just take an extended holiday and come back in a few years when conditions are more favorable.
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I'm just hoping with time that the customs officials and the makers of GLP-1 drugs will adapt. If the GLP-1 drug makers need to only make GLP-1 drugs, hey, there is plenty of money in that. As to customs, they don't want to spent much time and money dealing with GLP-1 drugs. The political pressure (rightly) is on for them to stop the introduction of fentanyl. As with other drugs of abuse, stopping people from using them will involve more than just reducing supply. Right now it seems to be allowed by the FDA for domestic folks to sell tirzepatide, semaglutide, and retatrutide so long as the sellers state that the substance is for research use only and the sellers also refrain from making any statements suggesting that the substance is actually intended to be used on humans.
 
zpped said:
Are you being sarcastic? Of course glp1s are being seized. It happens all the time.
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How do they know they're peptides? Have you ordered from QSC? You get beauty product packaging and basically have to match your products with numbering given to you in an email which is likely also your tracking data.

You think US Customs is HPLC scanning powders that say they're skin products?
 
Lullabytreehugger said:
Something tells me this bust is serious and tracy gone for good …
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I was just discussing some possible conspiracy theories....

Take the zero pep issue. Not just one vendor. Not just one product line. Someone who was trusted in the supply chain, higher up than our vendors, decided to exit the market with one final rugpull. Likely a manufacturer or finisher.

I don't think reputations recover from that... so it seems someone who supplied some of our GLP1s has left the building.

Tracy making a fast exit.

Amolist website offline.

Things aren't looking good. Might be time to pull the trigger on whatever you've been on the edge to buy.
 
brentm said:
I was just discussing some possible conspiracy theories....

Take the zero pep issue. Not just one vendor. Not just one product line. Someone who was trusted in the supply chain, higher up than our vendors, decided to exit the market with one final rugpull. Likely a manufacturer or finisher.

I don't think reputations recover from that... so it seems someone who supplied some of our GLP1s has left the building.

Tracy making a fast exit.

Amolist website offline.

Things aren't looking good. Might be time to pull the trigger on whatever you've been on the edge to buy.
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"Might be time to pull the trigger on whatever you've been on the edge to buy." - is exactly what someone invested in said rug pull would say 🧐

Jokes aside though, from a nihilistic newbie's perspective this is all fascinating and hilarious. (nihilistic only because that's the best way to cope with my first large order disappearing into the ether (i.e. Xi's nephew's bitcoin wallet))
 
squeezealemon said:
"Might be time to pull the trigger on whatever you've been on the edge to buy." - is exactly what someone invested in said rug pull would say 🧐

Jokes aside though, from a nihilistic newbie's perspective this is all fascinating and hilarious. (nihilistic only because that's the best way to cope with my first large order disappearing into the ether (i.e. Xi's nephew's bitcoin wallet))
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Yeah I'm a shill for the rug pull.

I bought another years worth through PGB yesterday. I considered a few GBs that would have saved money, but the risk was too high given the climate.

Boating accidents are a popular way to lose your Bitcoin wallets. Highly recommend them.

Orders have a way of showing up unless they were caught by customs.
 
brentm said:
I was just discussing some possible conspiracy theories....

Take the zero pep issue. Not just one vendor. Not just one product line. Someone who was trusted in the supply chain, higher up than our vendors, decided to exit the market with one final rugpull. Likely a manufacturer or finisher.

I don't think reputations recover from that... so it seems someone who supplied some of our GLP1s has left the building.

Tracy making a fast exit.

Amolist website offline.

Things aren't looking good. Might be time to pull the trigger on whatever you've been on the edge to buy.
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Amopure went offline a few months ago. Amolist still communicates with me via Whatsapp. As to someone high up in the supply chain pulling a massive scam and then disappearing, that makes some sense. Still China is a huge place with a resilient economy. I don' believe that it's so hard to manufacture GLP-1 drugs that the Chinese market can't add suppliers. While half the zippers in the world are made by YKK (a Japanese company), for instance, YKK only manages to maintain that market dominance by producing good zippers at reasonable prices. Assuming there are only a few major suppliers in China, as many have said, then if one of more goes down, others will likely pop up. This isn't Russia; the place is not so corrupt that they'll eliminate all but one well-connected company.
 
keangkong said:
Amopure went offline a few months ago. Amolist still communicates with me via Whatsapp. As to someone high up in the supply chain pulling a massive scam and then disappearing, that makes some sense. Still China is a huge place with a resilient economy. I don' believe that it's so hard to manufacture GLP-1 drugs that the Chinese market can't add suppliers. While half the zippers in the world are made by YKK (a Japanese company), for instance, YKK only manages to maintain that market dominance by producing good zippers at reasonable prices. Assuming there are only a few major suppliers in China, as many have said, then if one of more goes down, others will likely pop up. This isn't Russia; the place is not so corrupt that they'll eliminate all but one well-connected company.
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A few months 😂 I don’t think it’s even been two weeks
 
zpped said:
Are you being sarcastic? Of course glp1s are being seized. It happens all the time.
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i'm on multiple boards.. no one has ever reported a GLP-1 seizure.
i'm talking about USA customs.. not Canada...

also.. a huge bust just announced out of the long beach port.
they specifically listed drugs, etc, seized...
so it looks like the ride is over... this new set of sheriffs arent playing.,
 
If you're a previous Amo customer, reach out to Alam on whatsapp, and he'll have Binh get in touch via email to help you order. They aren't currently accepting new customers until relaunch.
 
ford54 said:
i'm on multiple boards.. no one has ever reported a GLP-1 seizure.
i'm talking about USA customs.. not Canada...

also.. a huge bust just announced out of the long beach port.
they specifically listed drugs, etc, seized...
so it looks like the ride is over... this new set of sheriffs arent playing.,
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Check the seizure reports. Plenty of peptides being seized, for example BPC157. Recent Ohio seizure is another example. But this time around it sounds like entire forwarder lines got busted with huge losses of shipped orders and bad prospects of reships making it to destination.

If customs situation doesn't change for the better (and there is no reason for it), I think we are witnessing the end of the era of cheap peptides.
There will still be supply to meet the demand, but new risks will be priced in either directly or indirectly.
* GB and US domestic prices will go up.
* Vendors will stop offering reships, which is already common for destinations like Canada and Australia.
* We will likely see more scams in general and exit scams specifically since without reliable forwarder lines it's difficult for vendors to build reputation and less incentive to do so instead of running periodic scams and coming back under new names with low prices to attract new buyers.
 
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