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TLDR: Should I toss the peptides I reconstituted with Alpha and Omega brand BAC water?

I am new to all of this. When I first started a few months ago, I was using BAC water from the guy I got the kit from. No clue what brand, it isn’t labeled. I started doing more research and decided to go with Alpha and Omega brand BAC based on some positive reviews. I have recently learned about Hospira BAC water and bought some. Should I toss the peptides I reconstituted with the A & O BAC water? I haven’t had any issues so far but I’m kind of nervous now :-/ what would you do?
 
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UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:
TLDR: Should I toss the peptides I reconstituted with Alpha and Omega brand BAC water?

I am new to all of this. When I first started a few months ago, I was using BAC water from the guy I got the kit from. No clue what brand, it isn’t labeled. I started doing more research and decided to go with Alpha and Omega brand BAC based on some positive reviews. I have recently learned about Hospira BAC water and bought some. Should I toss the peptides I reconstituted with the A & O BAC water? I haven’t had any issues so far but I’m kind of nervous now :-/ what would you do?
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If solution is clear and you have no issues pinning that, it is good to go IMO. Hospira is a top tier bac water, but it doesn't mean that any other brands are no good.
 
People are only going to recommend Hospira BAC water just because their production is strictly monitored as they supply hospitals and stuff.

From a safety standpoint, it's just minimizing points of failure. If you're using Hospira and get a really bad reaction to something, then it's probably not the BAC water that cause the problem.

Why not err on the safe side and toss it? Is your budget that tight?

But in the end, what you decide to do is up to you. We won't know what you don't share with us.
 
UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:
Yeah that’s what I’ve always done too. Now I’m second guessing. Does this also mean that people use reconstituted peptides past 28 days?
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People claim that all the time, yes.

Some even do the math and subtract the days BAC has been open from the usable dates for their peps. I was seeing a lot of "about 6 weeks tops." If the BAC had been open for 2 weeks, then the pep is used for max 4 weeks.

Read recently from here that the 28 days is based on FDA guidance for multi-dose vials. Before that, I also read claims that 28 days is in a clinical setting where there's a lot more puncture happening than the average pep user.

deluge said:
Huh. You're right:



Never quite understood the 28 day recommendation. Assumed it was following some kind of sterility testing by the manufacturer.

Love this site; I learn something new every day.
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Some people do/will continue to toss at 28 days. Some people use through 90 days. Some people will keep it until it's empty.

At the very least: make sure to wipe the top before and after pin. Check for floaties or any other signs of visible growth.
 
never had cloudiness w/ Hospira! I do try to keep it as clean as posible by storing it in a plastic bag inside of the fridge and wiping w/ alcohol pads before and after however.
 
Ruckus4519 said:
People are only going to recommend Hospira BAC water just because their production is strictly monitored as they supply hospitals and stuff.

From a safety standpoint, it's just minimizing points of failure. If you're using Hospira and get a really bad reaction to something, then it's probably not the BAC water that cause the problem.

Why not err on the safe side and toss it? Is your budget that tight?

But in the end, what you decide to do is up to you. We won't know what you don't share with us.
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This is a great answer
 
Ruckus4519 said:
People are only going to recommend Hospira BAC water just because their production is strictly monitored as they supply hospitals and stuff.

From a safety standpoint, it's just minimizing points of failure. If you're using Hospira and get a really bad reaction to something, then it's probably not the BAC water that cause the problem.

Why not err on the safe side and toss it? Is your budget that tight?

But in the end, what you decide to do is up to you. We won't know what you don't share with us.
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No it’s not a budget thing. It was a how risky is using A & O BAC water. I actually think I paid more for the A & O than the Hospira when my was all said and done.
 
UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:
Yeah that’s what I’ve always done too. Now I’m second guessing. Does this also mean that people use reconstituted peptides past 28 days?
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I'm good for 90 days with mine, but haven't needed to yet. When we hit that R140 we might get close, but I don't think so. Should hit 9 weeks or so.
 
ive seen in other threads people saying they just use the hospira until its gone. like 9+months post initial puncture, and they might as well just get the best stuff because its not really worth risking a sub par alcohol % or ph being off if they were going to shelf it for that long. but also seen a ton of people saying they have had so few, if any, issues with the included no label water for the peps that they use the whole vial with a couple weeks anyway.
 
I’m obviously new here. But man am I learning fast thanks to this forum. Why does nobody buy the BAC Water from their supplier or if the supplier gives it to them free they throw it out. The concept of having a kit of 3ML BAC Water vials seems so much better. I know everyone has a hard on for Hospira. But is the supplier BAC total crap.

Bill
 
People buy it, but then this sometimes happens:

vendor BAC + reta = cloudy reta

Other concerns are endos, sterility, pH, and BAC content. Most tests of vendor water are only for the last two.

To my knowledge, the best non-Hospira source of BAC water regarding testing of all four:

Ocean Pharmaceutical - Pharmaceutical Distributor in Vadodara

High-quality pharmaceutical products from Ocean Pharmaceutical, Vadodara's leading firm, committed to excellence since 2016.
oceanpharmaceutical.com oceanpharmaceutical.com

But that's just a small company in India. And each batch needs to be tested. (Hospira is also produced in India, but at much better facilities and not for IndiaMart.)

Filtering after recon would help with sterility concerns, but that still leaves endo concerns.
 
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Question-why are we trusting vendors with our peptides but not the bac water? Seems like if they expect the customer to reconstitute with their water it would be in their best interest to provide a high quality product
 
Calm Logic said:
People buy it, but then this sometimes happens:

vendor BAC + reta = cloudy reta

Other concerns are endos, sterility, pH, and BAC content. Most tests of vendor water are only for the last two.

To my knowledge, the best non-Hospira source of BAC water regarding testing of all four:

Ocean Pharmaceutical - Pharmaceutical Distributor in Vadodara

High-quality pharmaceutical products from Ocean Pharmaceutical, Vadodara's leading firm, committed to excellence since 2016.
oceanpharmaceutical.com oceanpharmaceutical.com

But that's just a small company in India. And each batch needs to be tested. (Hospira is also produced in India, but at much better facilities and not for IndiaMart.)

Filtering after recon would help with sterility concerns, but that still leaves endo concerns.
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I find it funny how reta is always found at the scene of the crime but ppl always focus on the bac. I need to see if there's another thread on here to discuss it, but I always got the vibe the grey space doesn't have the reta formulation down compared to sema or tirz.

I've only exclusively seen Reta in large amounts being cloudy/giving ppl recon issues even with H water allegedly of course.

Also, w/Ocean there is a a current GB going on w/that + testing. I was unsure about the brand so I only locked in at half-case. If ppl dig around it's easy to find. I'm now thinking I should have gotten a case lol.
 
ColdSmoke said:
Question-why are we trusting vendors with our peptides but not the bac water? Seems like if they expect the customer to reconstitute with their water it would be in their best interest to provide a high quality product
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Cost/benefit.

Define “trust”. People get their shit tested all the time so how much “trust” is that really.

Brand Name BAC water you can use off the bat vs. bootleg BAC water that may or may not be safe to use, that you need to test per “batch”. The answer comes pretty fucking easy at that point
 
ColdSmoke said:
Question-why are we trusting vendors with our peptides but not the bac water? Seems like if they expect the customer to reconstitute with their water it would be in their best interest to provide a high quality product
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One would think and one would be wrong. Vendors on this very site have said not use there water for certain peps due to the PH being way off, and another was full off topical cosmetic grade ingredients. Do not recommend.
 
So, is the general consensus to not use the supplier BAC water? For what I gather this removes the "what if" in case the vial turns cloudy. Removing thsi factor, and procuring something like hospira lowers the incidental of introducing extra probable endotoxins?
 
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