Why is group testing a baron wasteland?

[Goonwise]

I have been mainly sending one vial to Janoshik individually to test from the batch I receive. Its been adding up as I have started doing NAD+, SS31 and Mots C protocol recently. I just became aware of group testing after seeing this post lol.

 

[Estarossa19]

I have been mainly sending one vial to Janoshik individually to test from the batch I receive. Its been adding up as I have started doing NAD+, SS31 and Mots C protocol recently. I just became aware of group testing after seeing this post lol.

I'm thinking of doing this too when I eventually dive in and get my first purchase. How's the process for sending it over to Jano?

 

[desinr-gal]

Barren.

There's a big chasm between how many buyers view the buy/test process, and how it works in reality.

We go in thinking we want to buy what's already been third-party tested and we know the results.

In reality, all that matters (and it's no guarantee of consistency anyway) is what is from the same batch (usually a run of "canning," meaning mixing the API raw material with fillers, adding colored caps, and lyophilizing them).

By the time something's been third-party tested, the vendor is almost always shipping the next batch (or later); additionally, the salesperson is not with the inventory and has no control over which batch ships (although they'll happily lie to you about it).

Add to this the fact that most vendors won't use meaningful batch numbers or dates, won't change cap colors with each batch, will print out small runs of kit labels with recent dates, regardless of the batch, etc. etc. etc. and it's a very frustrating scenario. But still generally worth relying on third-party testing rather than jabbing blind.

Where third-party testing really matters is to get a sense of the vendor overall. There have been some who sold zero-peptide vials...how did they handle those post-sales? There have been some who usually overfill by a significant margin ... do you want to use your kit and adjust based on "feelz" if it might be 30% overfilled?

There are third-party testing communities which you should join and support financially (even if you haven't bought the specific product being tested). The easiest one to start with is Flying Purple Pep Guild ... I'm not sure if link-posting in the Public Square sub-forum is allowed.

please DM me with link, I had a tab but lost it

 

[Blindman]

Barren.

There's a big chasm between how many buyers view the buy/test process, and how it works in reality.

We go in thinking we want to buy what's already been third-party tested and we know the results.

In reality, all that matters (and it's no guarantee of consistency anyway) is what is from the same batch (usually a run of "canning," meaning mixing the API raw material with fillers, adding colored caps, and lyophilizing them).

By the time something's been third-party tested, the vendor is almost always shipping the next batch (or later); additionally, the salesperson is not with the inventory and has no control over which batch ships (although they'll happily lie to you about it).

Add to this the fact that most vendors won't use meaningful batch numbers or dates, won't change cap colors with each batch, will print out small runs of kit labels with recent dates, regardless of the batch, etc. etc. etc. and it's a very frustrating scenario. But still generally worth relying on third-party testing rather than jabbing blind.

Where third-party testing really matters is to get a sense of the vendor overall. There have been some who sold zero-peptide vials...how did they handle those post-sales? There have been some who usually overfill by a significant margin ... do you want to use your kit and adjust based on "feelz" if it might be 30% overfilled?

There are third-party testing communities which you should join and support financially (even if you haven't bought the specific product being tested). The easiest one to start with is Flying Purple Pep Guild ... I'm not sure if link-posting in the Public Square sub-forum is allowed.

Okay thanks. I kinda was thinking the same from the info ive gathered. No guarantees but if a vendor consistently passes test that is useful knowledge in decision making.

Barren, lol. I didnt really even consider which word it was.

Anyways im looking for a test group but forums are so hard to navigate and just find information by category. The one you mentioned is it easy to find?

Id like to join and just contribute money to a well respected group. I was under the impression you wouldnt be let in any group until your well known for some reason. Either is fine to me

LS Testing currently has 796 members and is growing every day. We have received results on 15 tests since October 23rd and have 22 in recruitment or awaiting results as of this moment. We started as 2 people who wanted to test our own NAD+ from Jeep. Not all our results are public as they belong to our members. Those that have been released are listed here for the community's benefit. We also do not post to recruit for tests of vendors that are not forum sponsors, out of respect for Zip and the forum, though these tests are happening more and more.

As a platform, we were the first given access to the area of the forum as we have proven to Zip that we are running strictly on a non-profit basis for the good of the community, which isn't something all GBOs and group test organisers do.

Many group tests are done as a result of group buys so you'll find them there rather than posting on forums - I personally have an issue with the ones where they charge 5-10% 'fees' to all participants and then claim they're in it for community safety while pocketing a few grand. Summer and I were determined to never be that - we want to keep group testing costs at their lowest whilst testing a broad range of things. We have set up deals with Janoshik and Liquilabs to bring testing prices down, and credit deals from a variety of vendors to support group testing where results are shared after the fact with the vendors. All this means people can participate without being ripped off by some GBP who wants to make a pay cheque out of their members.

It's been a lot of fun, a lot of stress, and a lot of learning for us. Anyone who wishes to join the community and get involved in testing is welcome to send me a DM.

i dont think i have privileges to send dm yet but i seen what you guys had in the group testing section of the forum. I. Fact thats what made me wonder why it was so limited.

I do understand not posting everything and was wanting to join something but then i thought i remembered something about needing to be well known and get invited.

I havnt even made a purchase strictly because i havnt sifted through all the good and bad and thought that group testing section would be a good place to start. If i needed to pay to help the group, the way i see it is i pay for insurance to drive.

Ive seen the group buys but i don’t understand how they function and the benefits.

 

[Goonwise]

I'm thinking of doing this too when I eventually dive in and get my first purchase. How's the process for sending it over to Jano?

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[ThatOneLady]

LS Testing currently has 796 members and is growing every day. We have received results on 15 tests since October 23rd and have 22 in recruitment or awaiting results as of this moment. We started as 2 people who wanted to test our own NAD+ from Jeep. Not all our results are public as they belong to our members. Those that have been released are listed here for the community's benefit. We also do not post to recruit for tests of vendors that are not forum sponsors, out of respect for Zip and the forum, though these tests are happening more and more.

As a platform, we were the first given access to the area of the forum as we have proven to Zip that we are running strictly on a non-profit basis for the good of the community, which isn't something all GBOs and group test organisers do.

Many group tests are done as a result of group buys so you'll find them there rather than posting on forums - I personally have an issue with the ones where they charge 5-10% 'fees' to all participants and then claim they're in it for community safety while pocketing a few grand. Summer and I were determined to never be that - we want to keep group testing costs at their lowest whilst testing a broad range of things. We have set up deals with Janoshik and Liquilabs to bring testing prices down, and credit deals from a variety of vendors to support group testing where results are shared after the fact with the vendors. All this means people can participate without being ripped off by some GBP who wants to make a pay cheque out of their members.

It's been a lot of fun, a lot of stress, and a lot of learning for us. Anyone who wishes to join the community and get involved in testing is welcome to send me a DM.

Once I’ve absorbed enough information to feel ready to make a purchase, I will definitely be messaging you. I’m interested in group testing.

 

[Crumplestiltskin]

I'm interested in group testing. I have a bunch of Amino Lair vials that I'd donate.

 

[mdapsey]

Great question and great conversations, I am also new so not going head first into that arena, but could see it happening down the road.

 

[Grogu]

I'm interested in group testing. I have a bunch of Amino Lair vials that I'd donate.

Try Flying Purple Pep Guild on TG

Flying Purple Pep Guild

Recruiting server for independent end-user group tests https://t.me/+wLpJL2bMgkNhMTJh

t.me

StG had a testing server on Discord, but it was nuked a few weeks ago.

StG (the resurected channel) is still on TG. You might be able to find some similarly interested folks there. If you need instructions on how to get to StG on TG, I can assist by DM. Or follow the breadcrumbs on the bottom of StG's website.

 

[Retazempic]

Barren.

There's a big chasm between how many buyers view the buy/test process, and how it works in reality.

We go in thinking we want to buy what's already been third-party tested and we know the results.

In reality, all that matters (and it's no guarantee of consistency anyway) is what is from the same batch (usually a run of "canning," meaning mixing the API raw material with fillers, adding colored caps, and lyophilizing them).

By the time something's been third-party tested, the vendor is almost always shipping the next batch (or later); additionally, the salesperson is not with the inventory and has no control over which batch ships (although they'll happily lie to you about it).

Add to this the fact that most vendors won't use meaningful batch numbers or dates, won't change cap colors with each batch, will print out small runs of kit labels with recent dates, regardless of the batch, etc. etc. etc. and it's a very frustrating scenario. But still generally worth relying on third-party testing rather than jabbing blind.

Where third-party testing really matters is to get a sense of the vendor overall. There have been some who sold zero-peptide vials...how did they handle those post-sales? There have been some who usually overfill by a significant margin ... do you want to use your kit and adjust based on "feelz" if it might be 30% overfilled?

There are third-party testing communities which you should join and support financially (even if you haven't bought the specific product being tested). The easiest one to start with is Flying Purple Pep Guild ... I'm not sure if link-posting in the Public Square sub-forum is allowed.

Some ppl might say LS Testing is way, way cooler than FPPG

 

[littledragon25]

Some ppl might say LS Testing is way, way cooler than FPPG

All testing is cool. FPPG was my go to before LS. I just don't like the attitude of the powers that be over at STG, but FPPG are cool.

 

[richtyke]

LS Testing currently has 796 members and is growing every day. We have received results on 15 tests since October 23rd and have 22 in recruitment or awaiting results as of this moment. We started as 2 people who wanted to test our own NAD+ from Jeep. Not all our results are public as they belong to our members. Those that have been released are listed here for the community's benefit. We also do not post to recruit for tests of vendors that are not forum sponsors, out of respect for Zip and the forum, though these tests are happening more and more.

As a platform, we were the first given access to the area of the forum as we have proven to Zip that we are running strictly on a non-profit basis for the good of the community, which isn't something all GBOs and group test organisers do.

Many group tests are done as a result of group buys so you'll find them there rather than posting on forums - I personally have an issue with the ones where they charge 5-10% 'fees' to all participants and then claim they're in it for community safety while pocketing a few grand. Summer and I were determined to never be that - we want to keep group testing costs at their lowest whilst testing a broad range of things. We have set up deals with Janoshik and Liquilabs to bring testing prices down, and credit deals from a variety of vendors to support group testing where results are shared after the fact with the vendors. All this means people can participate without being ripped off by some GBP who wants to make a pay cheque out of their members.

It's been a lot of fun, a lot of stress, and a lot of learning for us. Anyone who wishes to join the community and get involved in testing is welcome to send me a DM.

Hi @littledragon25. Im uk based and (as yet) unable it seems to find any threads re joining testing groups over her in Britain. As a fellow Brit is there some other testing groups here that I could potentially join into? I don’t seem to be able to send you a DM to ask this privately but I feel there may be a few more new people that may be keen to uptake also if they know where to get involved
Thanks