Why the hype over Hospira water

[Peptidedudez]

Is it the Brand? All it contains is Sterile water and benzyl alcohol. If you buy USP grade water and benzyl alcohol and mix it precisely to the appropriate concentration/ dilution wouldnt you then realistically have "Hospira water"

 

[indolent]

Hospira is manufactured under sanitary conditions, with precise ratios and procedures. Off-brand is a crapshoot, and most tested vials had failed results.

There are lots of threads here (search!) on the various ways to look at DIY mixing. For most of the non-USA world, it's that or simply using sterile water.

 

[woundcarping]

Is it the Brand? All it contains is Sterile water and benzyl alcohol. If you buy USP grade water and benzyl alcohol and mix it precisely to the appropriate concentration/ dilution wouldnt you then realistically have "Hospira water"

It’s the cost, ease, and consistent quality with minimal hassle.

 

[anhydrous]

Because COTS products appeal to the widest audience.

 

[Beardboost]

The gold standard when tested, you pay for what you get!

 

[RubbaDubba1]

We roll the dice a little bit, with the grey market peptides. Using real Hospira Bath water, helps to mitigate some of the that risk. Everyone's cost/tolerance/risk ratio is different, some people filter as well and some don't.

 

[deluge]

When you consider it's literally the single largest component of what you're injecting, and it's roughly $1 (or less) per vial, it's kind of a no-brainer to use it.

 

[Gt3294a]

Is it the Brand? All it contains is Sterile water and benzyl alcohol. If you buy USP grade water and benzyl alcohol and mix it precisely to the appropriate concentration/ dilution wouldnt you then realistically have "Hospira water"

Some peptides seem noticeably better when mixing with H according to many people in this community. That said, I don’t use those peptides or H. But I have read dozens of such posts over the last year alone.

 

[RicFlair]

Id say Hospira is the only way to go because since its pharmaceutical grade, you can rest assured that their solution is precise and accurate. Ive seen alot of issues with gelling so far on alot of forums in regards to peptides and id say 9 times out of 10 its due to the bac water not being an accurate solution (0.9% benzyl alcohol). This is all granted that its real Hospira and not a fake cause ive seen some fakes going around the market. So with a consistent pH balance you can always rest assured your peptides wont be ruined. So basically, Hospira is the gold standard like others said above and I have only stuck to hospira so far and have had 0 issues even with peps that have had issues with gelling like tesa.

 

[gusterbuster]

Because COTS products appeal to the widest audience.

Are you in procurement? Only people i know who use the verbiage commercial off the shelf are procurement folks.

 

[FartfulCodger]

Because it's associated with a large pharma company that wants to protect its reputation for quality and sterility. That being said, it has been subject to recalls in the past.

If you buy it in larger quantities, it's not much more per mL than the unknown brands.

But many people do mix their own, using the recipe you've suggested, and it seems to work out fine for them.

 

[CathyGoesFar]

BAC water from vendor got me cloudy reta that cleared briefly with PBS before going cloudy again and then clear again. 😕

I bought Hospira and the next vial has recon'd clear and stayed clear. I don't know exactly where the difference lies(possibly alcohol content?). I even tested them with PH paper and they came out the same. It's simpler to continue to buy BAC water known for reliable results.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Is it the Brand? All it contains is Sterile water and benzyl alcohol. If you buy USP grade water and benzyl alcohol and mix it precisely to the appropriate concentration/ dilution wouldnt you then realistically have "Hospira water"

It's not very complicated.

It's a known product, produced by an actual pharmaceutical company that has to follow all the FDA production and testing requirements. It's one of the few products in this sphere that you can rely on to be exactly what it's supposed to be every single time.

It's hard enough to get the average person to understand and feel comfortable reconstituting their own peptides, so adding the additional complication of mixing their own BAC water is not something the vast majority are interested in.

 

[WLBLD]

Too bad there weren't more pharmaceutical grade options to level the playing field & have backup options during shortages, recalls, etc + of course keep pricing more competitive & stable

 

[gusterbuster]

Too bad there weren't more pharmaceutical grade options to level the playing field & have backup options during shortages, recalls, etc + of course keep pricing more competitive & stable

Well there are, if you look overseas. Genetek bac water on India mart. About 35 bucks with shipping 100 10ml plastic ampules

 

[cloratheshadow]

It’s very cheap and very consistently sterile and reliable. You can make your own but it is riskier and honestly not worth it if you can buy it $10 per 30 ml. You can reconstitute many visits vials for $10.

 

[indolent]

Genetek bac water on India mart

I'm interested in whether any of these have been third-party lab-tested...? And also if there's one particular reputable India-based vendor for them, or just an IndiaMart free-for-all of counterfeits.

 

[WLBLD]

Well there are, if you look overseas. Genetek bac water on India mart. About 35 bucks with shipping 100 10ml plastic ampules

The problem is they don't have to be under the same guidelines, testing, etc & might not all be Pharmaceutical grade + have to worry about counterfeits also

 

[homebrew]

Are you in procurement? Only people i know who use the verbiage commercial off the shelf are procurement folks.

I'm not in procurement, but I was (and always will be) an engineer and use the COTS verbiage.

 

[Calm Logic]

I'm interested in whether any of these have been third-party lab-tested...? And also if there's one particular reputable India-based vendor for them, or just an IndiaMart free-for-all of counterfeits.

According to PTDS, the BAC by Ocean Pharmaceutical in India passed 3P sterility, endos, pH, and benzyl content, as did Hospira. The question now is consistency, which is why one GB for Ocean BAC will be doing those same tests for themselves.

Personally, I rather just stock up on Hospira, especially given that Ocean is just a small company. And the price difference is not very big, especially considering customs seizure risk for BAC from India.

 

[laansasa]

Too bad there weren't more pharmaceutical grade options to level the playing field & have backup options during shortages, recalls, etc + of course keep pricing more competitive & stable

There is another brand that seems to be really good - even claiming to be better but a couple bucks more expensive.

 

[WLBLD]

There is another brand that seems to be really good - even claiming to be better but a couple bucks more expensive.

That's good news. Need some competition to keep them on their toes!!

 

[homebrew]

There is another brand that seems to be really good - even claiming to be better but a couple bucks more expensive.

A couple for differences for BioWater vs. H:

• Refrigerate after opening
• Discard 20 days after first stopper puncture
• 30 mL Amber Glass Vial
• 24-month shelf life / room temperature storage

 

[longex2021]

A couple for differences for BioWater vs. H:

• Refrigerate after opening
• Discard 20 days after first stopper puncture
• 30 mL Amber Glass Vial
• 24-month shelf life / room temperature storage

Why would anyone buy that? It's more expensive than hospira

 

[BNLFL]

According to PTDS, the BAC by Ocean Pharmaceutical in India passed 3P sterility, endos, pH, and benzyl content, as did Hospira. The question now is consistency, which is why one GB for Ocean BAC will be doing those same tests for themselves.

Personally, I rather just stock up on Hospira, especially given that Ocean is just a small company. And the price difference is not very big, especially considering customs seizure risk for BAC from India.

I actually joined their group. Nexus is another with all that testing and it came back good too. It was in a GB in TG on busy GB place.

 

[Mainah]

There is another brand that seems to be really good - even claiming to be better but a couple bucks more expensive.

I'm not sure I would call it good...
Here is TM BioWater's own COA that was released directly from Vanguard Laboratory.
It failed Benzyl Alcohol Content and Failed Sterility, plus the Endotoxin result is 100x above the USP spec that it claims it meets.

 

[laansasa]

I'm not sure I would call it good...
Here is TM BioWater's own COA that was released directly from Vanguard Laboratory.
It failed Benzyl Alcohol Content and Failed Sterility, plus the Endotoxin result is 100x above the USP spec that it claims it meets.
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Intersting! How sad and disappointing that even Farris labs introduced it as a new wonderful thing (which I guess it isn't!). How reliable is Vanguard? I have heard mixed reviews.

 

[indolent]

How reliable is Vanguard? I have heard mixed reviews.

I wouldn't call Vanguard's reviews "mixed" so much as "atrocious". Which is not to say that I have any faith in TM BioWater.

If I'm not mistaken, though, Farris Laboratories is a legit medical supplies distributor, so it's an interesting data point if they sell the stuff.

Edited to add: it doesn't currently appear on the Farris website. Just Hospira. At $423/case!

 

[jamesprt]

Cant find in EU, so im using bac water from vendor 10v 10ml.

 

[laansasa]

I wouldn't call Vanguard's reviews "mixed" so much as "atrocious". Which is not to say that I have any faith in TM BioWater.

If I'm not mistaken, though, Farris Laboratories is a legit medical supplies distributor, so it's an interesting data point if they sell the stuff.

Edited to add: it doesn't currently appear on the Farris website. Just Hospira. At $423/case!

Ah, I didn't know Vanguard was THAT bad... and yeah, coming from Farris labs, I thought it gave it more credibility. I haven't ordered from them in a couple of months, so I hadn't noticed it wasn't showing on their website anymore. They are my go-to for Hospira. I wonder if they are OOS or ended up pulling the plug on that new TM water.🤷‍♀️