Low Testosterone, but Dr. says im in a normal range?

[Gr33dyOctopus]

We have a Testosterone thread going, but this one is personal, plus since im on probation i can only post like once per hour so its really gotta count! 😃

Dammit!!! All my brain fog, feeling tired all the time, pushing through with low energy and libido. I thought it was just cause i was fat. And today officially 101.5 pounds down and still feel all that.

I eat whole foods and protiens, stay away from unnatural sugars for the most part, work oit with stretching and weights for an hour or 2, 5 days a week. Oh and 7 to 12k steps daily by 330pm weekdays.

My muscles are hard as blocks of wood, but not growing, im yawning while trying to.lead these exercise classes, want a nap.by noon, im only 51yo? Was starting to think this was normal?

After getting back spectacular bloodwork where i went from prediabetic to not anymore, triglycerides that were off the charts to normal levels i became concerned that my energy and libido are still in the dirt, and asked for a testosterone test specifically. Came back really really low, explains SO MUCH. but then get a note from my dr saying i am in normal ranges?

Excuse me? Ive been hanging out on r/testosterone lately and no, im not in normal ranges and yes, over 50 with that low of test affects most dudes lives.

Im at a loss. Need to source a clinic or another source for test c. Ill continue getting bloodwork done, but at this point it looks like my dr. is not going to help me.

Its not like im sourcing gear to join bodybuilding competitions, im just trying to live a full life!!!

And, from everything ive read, test in my situation can be life changing, as long as I monitor it carefully.

* oh and mods, if you take me off of probation i swear on my last chances here i wont talk any further smack about any vendors no matter how i feel about them. Have learned my lesson. Also i just spent another big wad of cash at ERP even though all of thier coa's seem to be sourced from the times of ancient history... Can i say that?!?!?

Anyway, im a contributing member and i can be mostly good, ty dear for your kind consideration.

 

[Turbo-Farmer]

Similar to you, 55 overweight. Tested at 197 total, read around and was hesitant to take the TRT. So I found a compounding that offers enclomiphene citrate which works with your body's natural feedback loop, without making your balls shrivel up. I have been on 12.5 mg of enclomiphene citrate for 2.5 months and my T is up 120% to 440. Such a significant increase in such a short time they declined to up me to the 20mg per day I wanted.

I want my body to make its own hormones whenever possible and even though my T may not be as high as those on TRT, I know my balls are bigger.

 

[staffn1]

Why not write back to your doctor citing definitive sources for what you think is the normal test. range and tell them you think it would help to get your numbers up? If a doctor can't have that conversation I would find a new doctor.

 

[Bastogne22]

Some doctors just stay away from it. They know guys have been "abusing" it in the bodybuilding community for years. They tend to lean towards the mindset that they just want to avoid the topic at all costs. I tested at 246 the first time and 326 the second time. 47yr old male. 5'11", 255#. My doctor told me not to get too caught up in those numbers because those levels constantly cycle. I went to an online provider that had a lot of solid reviews and track record for not just giving it away. She told me that they like to see somebody my age be over 600. That's still almost double what I'm at naturally.

I have never a day in my life been concerned about the size of my nuts. lol Is that really a thing? The shaft? Sure, I've thought a couple of times that another inch would be nice to have. Wondered if this truly is in the realm of average....But I've never once pondered if I have large, average, or small testicles! 😂😂😂😂

 

[Habibibi]

You're on a caloric deficit, so your testosterone will be lower. Expecting muscle growth while on a caloric deficit doesn't make sense.

Your free testosterone looks really good though, so that's great news. If you want the opinion of other medical professionals, try Defy Medical.

 

[Turbo-Farmer]

Some doctors just stay away from it. They know guys have been "abusing" it in the bodybuilding community for years. They tend to lean towards the mindset that they just want to avoid the topic at all costs. I tested at 246 the first time and 326 the second time. 47yr old male. 5'11", 255#. My doctor told me not to get too caught up in those numbers because those levels constantly cycle. I went to an online provider that had a lot of solid reviews and track record for not just giving it away. She told me that they like to see somebody my age be over 600. That's still almost double what I'm at naturally.

I have never a day in my life been concerned about the size of my nuts. lol Is that really a thing? The shaft? Sure, I've thought a couple of times that another inch would be nice to have. Wondered if this truly is in the realm of average....But I've never once pondered if I have large, average, or small testicles! 😂😂😂😂

Not really about the size of the huevos. But just pointing out that TRT will make them shrivel and inhibit their function. I have several friends who are on TRT and like to run around 1200, which is crazy in my opinion. They have to give blood monthly to keep up.

 

[Zydeceltico]

Looking at your test results, yeah - your Total is very low but your Free is in the normal range - that said - it is very low in the normal range. That's probably what he's referring too.

 

[tendency]

You seem to convert very efficiently; perhaps figure out hot to increase your total ~50% (100 pts.) and you might be fine then.

 

[Turbo-Farmer]

Since we are on a GLP-1 forum, I would like to point out that testosterone production is directly correlated to insulin resistance. So as you lose weight and lower your A1c you potentially could make more testosterone. The hormone insulin inhibits the natural production of testosterone, it throws your body out of balance.

The following courtesy of AI

1. The Direct Hit to the Testes
Research shows that insulin resistance directly impairs the Leydig cells in the testes. These are the cells responsible for churning out testosterone. When your body is resistant to insulin:
• The Leydig cells become less responsive to Luteinizing Hormone (LH)—the "start engine" signal from your brain.
• Even if your brain is screaming for more testosterone, the testes don't "hear" the signal as clearly, leading to lower output.
2. The "Belly Fat" Factor (Aromatization)
Insulin resistance is almost always tied to increased visceral (belly) fat. This fat isn't just storage; it’s metabolically active and contains an enzyme called aromatase.
• Aromatase takes the testosterone you do have and converts it into estrogen.
• Higher estrogen levels then tell your brain, "We have plenty of hormones," which causes the brain to slow down the signal to produce more testosterone.
3. SHBG Suppression
Insulin levels significantly influence Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), a protein that carries testosterone through your blood.
• High insulin levels signal the liver to produce less SHBG.
• While this might sounds like it would leave more "free" testosterone, low SHBG is often a marker of metabolic dysfunction and is consistently linked to lower total testosterone levels over time.
4. Inflammation and the Brain
Chronic insulin resistance creates a low-grade inflammatory state. This inflammation can disrupt the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal (HPG) axis. Essentially, the "command center" in your brain becomes less efficient at monitoring and regulating your hormone levels, leading to a drop in production.
The Silver Lining: Reversibility
The good news is that because this relationship is bidirectional, fixing one often helps the other. Improving insulin sensitivity—is one of the most effective "natural" ways to boost testosterone.

 

[TacoLifter420]

Plenty of TRT clinic's that will treat you. If you're in Florida I can PM you mine. He looks at everything holistically and goes for symptom relief.

Did he check your Luteinizing hormone?

 

[RubbaDubba1]

Like Turbo-Farmer said, Enclomiphene citrate. My longevity Dr, gets it ordered through Pure Pharmacy. Works quite well, $300 for 90 - 25mg pills. That will last me over a year, daily 25mg took me from 690 to 1500++ in 3 months and 4X my Estradiol, fyi. I just restarted after a 6 month break from it, doing 2X a week after my surgery for 90 days. I'll check it then and adjust, don't need it but nice to have.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Ty

 

[Turbo-Farmer]

Like Turbo-Farmer said, Enclomiphene citrate. My longevity Dr, gets it ordered through Pure Pharmacy. Works quite well, $300 for 90 - 25mg pills. That will last me over a year, daily 25mg took me from 690 to 1500++ in 3 months and 4X my Estrodial, fyi. I just restarted after a 6 month break from it, doing 2X a week after my surgery for 90 days. I'll check it then and adjust, don't need it but nice to have.

1500 holy smokes, that’s crazy. How was your BP with that much testosterone flowing.

 

[RubbaDubba1]

Pretty normal actually my average is about 110/70 this last year off of it. When I was taking 25mg 1X a week and got it dialed in, my TT was 986 and Estradiol was 48. I used to be almost 600lbs, so I monitor my BP daily. Never really saw a baseline increase, while TT was that high. I'm not on any BP medz right meow, but the 10mg of daily Tadalafil (just started) does bring me down to a little over 100+/60+ range last couple days, HR 60. So something to pay attention to.

 

[MFGamesta]

We have a Testosterone thread going, but this one is personal, plus since im on probation i can only post like once per hour so its really gotta count! 😃

Dammit!!! All my brain fog, feeling tired all the time, pushing through with low energy and libido. I thought it was just cause i was fat. And today officially 101.5 pounds down and still feel all that.

I eat whole foods and protiens, stay away from unnatural sugars for the most part, work oit with stretching and weights for an hour or 2, 5 days a week. Oh and 7 to 12k steps daily by 330pm weekdays.

My muscles are hard as blocks of wood, but not growing, im yawning while trying to.lead these exercise classes, want a nap.by noon, im only 51yo? Was starting to think this was normal?

After getting back spectacular bloodwork where i went from prediabetic to not anymore, triglycerides that were off the charts to normal levels i became concerned that my energy and libido are still in the dirt, and asked for a testosterone test specifically. Came back really really low, explains SO MUCH. but then get a note from my dr saying i am in normal ranges?

Excuse me? Ive been hanging out on r/testosterone lately and no, im not in normal ranges and yes, over 50 with that low of test affects most dudes lives.

Im at a loss. Need to source a clinic or another source for test c. Ill continue getting bloodwork done, but at this point it looks like my dr. is not going to help me.

Its not like im sourcing gear to join bodybuilding competitions, im just trying to live a full life!!!

And, from everything ive read, test in my situation can be life changing, as long as I monitor it carefully.

* oh and mods, if you take me off of probation i swear on my last chances here i wont talk any further smack about any vendors no matter how i feel about them. Have learned my lesson. Also i just spent another big wad of cash at ERP even though all of thier coa's seem to be sourced from the times of ancient history... Can i say that?!?!?

Anyway, im a contributing member and i can be mostly good, ty dear for your kind consideration.

What is your total and free testosterone? What is your SHBG and est?

 

[CNCCurrency]

We have a Testosterone thread going, but this one is personal, plus since im on probation i can only post like once per hour so its really gotta count! 😃

Dammit!!! All my brain fog, feeling tired all the time, pushing through with low energy and libido. I thought it was just cause i was fat. And today officially 101.5 pounds down and still feel all that.

I eat whole foods and protiens, stay away from unnatural sugars for the most part, work oit with stretching and weights for an hour or 2, 5 days a week. Oh and 7 to 12k steps daily by 330pm weekdays.

My muscles are hard as blocks of wood, but not growing, im yawning while trying to.lead these exercise classes, want a nap.by noon, im only 51yo? Was starting to think this was normal?

After getting back spectacular bloodwork where i went from prediabetic to not anymore, triglycerides that were off the charts to normal levels i became concerned that my energy and libido are still in the dirt, and asked for a testosterone test specifically. Came back really really low, explains SO MUCH. but then get a note from my dr saying i am in normal ranges?

Excuse me? Ive been hanging out on r/testosterone lately and no, im not in normal ranges and yes, over 50 with that low of test affects most dudes lives.

Im at a loss. Need to source a clinic or another source for test c. Ill continue getting bloodwork done, but at this point it looks like my dr. is not going to help me.

Its not like im sourcing gear to join bodybuilding competitions, im just trying to live a full life!!!

And, from everything ive read, test in my situation can be life changing, as long as I monitor it carefully.

* oh and mods, if you take me off of probation i swear on my last chances here i wont talk any further smack about any vendors no matter how i feel about them. Have learned my lesson. Also i just spent another big wad of cash at ERP even though all of thier coa's seem to be sourced from the times of ancient history... Can i say that?!?!?

Anyway, im a contributing member and i can be mostly good, ty dear for your kind consideration.

It's pretty easy to get grey Testosterone, screw the dr.

 

[Vash]

I’m on self-prescribed TRT+Ultra. A little harder to find than Peps but China has your back.

 

[Airborne Daddy]

We have a Testosterone thread going, but this one is personal, plus since im on probation i can only post like once per hour so its really gotta count! 😃

Dammit!!! All my brain fog, feeling tired all the time, pushing through with low energy and libido. I thought it was just cause i was fat. And today officially 101.5 pounds down and still feel all that.

I eat whole foods and protiens, stay away from unnatural sugars for the most part, work oit with stretching and weights for an hour or 2, 5 days a week. Oh and 7 to 12k steps daily by 330pm weekdays.

My muscles are hard as blocks of wood, but not growing, im yawning while trying to.lead these exercise classes, want a nap.by noon, im only 51yo? Was starting to think this was normal?

After getting back spectacular bloodwork where i went from prediabetic to not anymore, triglycerides that were off the charts to normal levels i became concerned that my energy and libido are still in the dirt, and asked for a testosterone test specifically. Came back really really low, explains SO MUCH. but then get a note from my dr saying i am in normal ranges?

Excuse me? Ive been hanging out on r/testosterone lately and no, im not in normal ranges and yes, over 50 with that low of test affects most dudes lives.

Im at a loss. Need to source a clinic or another source for test c. Ill continue getting bloodwork done, but at this point it looks like my dr. is not going to help me.

Its not like im sourcing gear to join bodybuilding competitions, im just trying to live a full life!!!

And, from everything ive read, test in my situation can be life changing, as long as I monitor it carefully.

* oh and mods, if you take me off of probation i swear on my last chances here i wont talk any further smack about any vendors no matter how i feel about them. Have learned my lesson. Also i just spent another big wad of cash at ERP even though all of thier coa's seem to be sourced from the times of ancient history... Can i say that?!?!?

Anyway, im a contributing member and i can be mostly good, ty dear for your kind consideration.

Since youre a nut job and were buddies ill share my domestic oils guy.... Primalpharma.org ..... tiktoks on him so i dont consider it a security breech....

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Since youre a nut job and were buddies ill share my domestic oils guy.... Primalpharma.org ..... tiktoks on him so i dont consider it a security breech....

Thank you!!! That site and price are awesome, good looking out Airborne!!!

Woot woot!

 

[Tbagger]

I have never a day in my life been concerned about the size of my nuts. lol Is that really a thing? The shaft? Sure, I've thought a couple of times that another inch would be nice to have. Wondered if this truly is in the realm of average....But I've never once pondered if I have large, average, or small testicles! 😂😂😂😂

I always wondered why people always get caught up on the small balls thing. When I started TRT everyone kept talking about how it'll make my balls shrink and the only thing I could think of is that it would be awesome. Maybe if they shrink a bit they will stop sticking to my leg in the summer! lol

 

[lessthanhalf]

There is a lot of variation in what doctors will do with low or borderline testosterone results. I personally think it is kind of sexist, women are not refused hormone replacement therapy if symptomatic and menopausal, yet men with low test levels have to try to find a doctor who will be prepared to treat. In Australia you would not get prescribed testosterone most of the time if overweight with low test, the official advice is lose weight. I just think people are not comfortable with the idea of individuals having control of testosterone, it is just a weird cultural thing. To get it prescribed here I had to see an endocrinologist and was only treated due to being symptomatic, basically zero libido, and having high fsh/lh levels, if those levels were normal it would have been refused. In my case I noticed my testicles had actually shrunk, which I thought was pretty weird and why I got it checked out. The US is generally less strict.
Part of the reason is concerns about increasing risks of prostate cancer or heart disease, I think the evidence is fairly solid that at replacement levels heart disease is not increased but the research is not crystal clear and there are some studies showing increased risks, so if a doctor is being conservative or has not read the latest research, and most general doctors have not , which is reasonable, as there is more or less an infinite amount of research out there, they are going to avoid prescribing if they can. Just on first do no harm principles. The other reason for being careful is higher doses absolutely cause problems, no one on meso talks about the mental side effects of test but at higher doses problems with anger and aggression are real and common and depressed mood from sudden drops in level are common too.
So you either need to find a sympathetic doctor or a clinic that deals with test therapy or diy, I think being conservative on doses is a good idea, mainly as high doses do carry extra long term risks

 

[latviantower]

We have a Testosterone thread going, but this one is personal, plus since im on probation i can only post like once per hour so its really gotta count! 😃

Dammit!!! All my brain fog, feeling tired all the time, pushing through with low energy and libido. I thought it was just cause i was fat. And today officially 101.5 pounds down and still feel all that.

I eat whole foods and protiens, stay away from unnatural sugars for the most part, work oit with stretching and weights for an hour or 2, 5 days a week. Oh and 7 to 12k steps daily by 330pm weekdays.

My muscles are hard as blocks of wood, but not growing, im yawning while trying to.lead these exercise classes, want a nap.by noon, im only 51yo? Was starting to think this was normal?

After getting back spectacular bloodwork where i went from prediabetic to not anymore, triglycerides that were off the charts to normal levels i became concerned that my energy and libido are still in the dirt, and asked for a testosterone test specifically. Came back really really low, explains SO MUCH. but then get a note from my dr saying i am in normal ranges?

Excuse me? Ive been hanging out on r/testosterone lately and no, im not in normal ranges and yes, over 50 with that low of test affects most dudes lives.

Im at a loss. Need to source a clinic or another source for test c. Ill continue getting bloodwork done, but at this point it looks like my dr. is not going to help me.

Its not like im sourcing gear to join bodybuilding competitions, im just trying to live a full life!!!

And, from everything ive read, test in my situation can be life changing, as long as I monitor it carefully.

* oh and mods, if you take me off of probation i swear on my last chances here i wont talk any further smack about any vendors no matter how i feel about them. Have learned my lesson. Also i just spent another big wad of cash at ERP even though all of thier coa's seem to be sourced from the times of ancient history... Can i say that?!?!?

Anyway, im a contributing member and i can be mostly good, ty dear for your kind consideration.

What I immediately noticed on your labs was the sad reality that the medical “authorities” can’t even agree on what “normal” looks like. I had my specimen collection at Quest, but ordered and reported by Goodlabs. Goodlabs apparently has two flavors of normal - “low normal” (yellow) and “normal normal” (green). I was at 453 total T, but you can see it’s still not in the green. Also Goodlabs heads into the red at 1000, Quest has it at 1100. You would be well into the red with low T at Goodlabs - they consider anything less than 300 low. So it’s a mess imo.

My PCP wouldn’t even order hormone labs, so I am left to navigate this on my own. I’m not going to Limitless Male or one of those places and pay through the nose (my insurance sucks). I feel like I’m better off ordering my own labs and remedies. Online communities (NON-Meso folks) are great resources. Soooo….I’m taking 175 mg test c weekly (25 mg daily first thing, subq for slow and steady absorption and less chance of aromatization), 2 iu hgh before bed, and 5 mg reta to counter the IGF increase caused by the hgh. That’s my peptide holy trinity. Labs every 8 weeks, no excuses.

Good luck Gr33dy! Btw, I think your posts are amusing. I missed the rant that apparently was the tipping point for the mods that led to you in the penalty box. I think Zippity finds his amusement in odd places - autocorrect algorithms (Fuck Rocks) and probation status being just two sources? 😉 (as a McGill grad BSc’82, I can only assume he went to Concordia. Twisted sense of humor there.)

 

[UpDownLeftRightAS*]

There’s a lot of research out there on natural testosterone production and how much it can fluctuate. When are you planning to get your next follow-up labs?

I’ve seen quite a few discussions around foods and routines that can help naturally, but if you’re not looking to jump straight to full TRT, you might consider enclomiphene (as others have mentioned). I started at 12.5 mg (about half a tablet) a few months ago just to see how I’d respond, and my levels went from the 400s to the 700s after about a month. It doesn’t shut down natural production, and I’ve even heard that 6.25 mg can be enough for some people while producing similar results.

My primary care doctor wouldn’t prescribe it either -- he said it wasn’t his area of comfort and offered to refer me to an endocrinologist. I mentioned that services like Hims offer it (though it can run around $2–4K per year), but I ended up sourcing it elsewhere.

Also, you probably already know this, but it’s worth reinforcing: sleep, stress, and calorie deficits can each reduce testosterone by 10–30%. If you’ve been in a significant calorie deficit, that alone could be a big factor in your lab results.

Good luck, man.

 

[Tbagger]

My PCP wouldn’t even order hormone labs, so I am left to navigate this on my own.

I'm seeing this trend now days where doctors are refusing to do simple things like order labs. If my PCP told me no when I ask to check something out, I'd be out of there and on an intake list at a new practice within minutes. I am upfront with my doctor and let her know that I am a grown ass man and not here to ask for permission or beg for anything. I let her know about all my peptide research and she knows I am resourceful enough to have access to every pharmaceutical drug and peptide ever made. So she is pretty cool and will advise me on things and let me know if my insurance will cover what I ask for, but the decisions are mine if I want to pay for them. Of course it's all within reason, like I cant walk in and demand opiates or anything. But denying a hormone panel is just weird and seems shady.

 

[igottapee]

I'm seeing this trend now days where doctors are refusing to do simple things like order labs. If my PCP told me no when I ask to check something out, I'd be out of there and on an intake list at a new practice within minutes. I am upfront with my doctor and let her know that I am a grown ass man and not here to ask for permission or beg for anything. I let her know about all my peptide research and she knows I am resourceful enough to have access to every pharmaceutical drug and peptide ever made. So she is pretty cool and will advise me on things and let me know if my insurance will cover what I ask for, but the decisions are mine if I want to pay for them. Of course it's all within reason, like I cant walk in and demand opiates or anything. But denying a hormone panel is just weird and seems shady.

it all depends on how your insurance handles it(what they pay for and what they don't)

 

[Turbo-Farmer]

There’s a lot of research out there on natural testosterone production and how much it can fluctuate. When are you planning to get your next follow-up labs?

I’ve seen quite a few discussions around foods and routines that can help naturally, but if you’re not looking to jump straight to full TRT, you might consider enclomiphene (as others have mentioned). I started at 12.5 mg (about half a tablet) a few months ago just to see how I’d respond, and my levels went from the 400s to the 700s after about a month. It doesn’t shut down natural production, and I’ve even heard that 6.25 mg can be enough for some people while producing similar results.

My primary care doctor wouldn’t prescribe it either -- he said it wasn’t his area of comfort and offered to refer me to an endocrinologist. I mentioned that services like Hims offer it (though it can run around $2–4K per year), but I ended up sourcing it elsewhere.

Also, you probably already know this, but it’s worth reinforcing: sleep, stress, and calorie deficits can each reduce testosterone by 10–30%. If you’ve been in a significant calorie deficit, that alone could be a big factor in your lab results.

Good luck, man.

H/H is 100 month for the echlomiphene + tandafil , hormone panels included at least quarterly

 

[swimmer]

Like Turbo-Farmer said, Enclomiphene citrate. My longevity Dr, gets it ordered through Pure Pharmacy. Works quite well, $300 for 90 - 25mg pills. That will last me over a year, daily 25mg took me from 690 to 1500++ in 3 months and 4X my Estradiol, fyi. I just restarted after a 6 month break from it, doing 2X a week after my surgery for 90 days. I'll check it then and adjust, don't need it but nice to have.

I have been doing 12.5 mg enclomiphene for 4 months now and have had great results. What you need to be aware of is that it can raise estrogen, shbg and tank your IGF-1 levels.

When I started, my total T went from my baseline of 600 to north of 1200. While lifting like a madman gains were minimal till I added tessa/ipa which brought my IGF-1 up to slightly more than my baseline. To lower estrogen I took a tiny amount of anastrozole every other day. I felt great and had good gains at the gym.

Me wanting even more gains started a cycle of osterine. Holy crap what a game changer. Two weeks into the ostarine cycle my total T was back down to 600 but my shbg went from super high to very low causing my free T to tripple!! I am almost finished with the 8 week Osterine cycle and my gains are way beyond what I expected. I am approached almost daily from people asking what I'm doing to look like this at my age (63). People think it is full blown AAS.

 

[swimmer]

I have been doing 12.5 mg enclomiphene for 4 months now and have had great results. What you need to be aware of is that it can raise estrogen, shbg and tank your IGF-1 levels.

When I started, my total T went from my baseline of 600 to north of 1200. While lifting like a madman gains were minimal till I added tessa/ipa which brought my IGF-1 up to slightly more than my baseline. To lower estrogen I took a tiny amount of anastrozole every other day. I felt great and had good gains at the gym.

Me wanting even more gains started a cycle of osterine. Holy crap what a game changer. Two weeks into the ostarine cycle my total T was back down to 600 but my shbg went from super high to very low causing my free T to tripple!! I am almost finished with the 8 week Osterine cycle and my gains are way beyond what I expected. I am approached almost daily from people asking what I'm doing to look like this at my age (63). People think it is full blown AAS.

I think Enclo is a great alternative to Test but you might need to address the side effects to enjoy the benefits of higher testosterone levels. Tests to monitor IGF-1, shbg, estroidal and free T are important.

 

[Crumplestiltskin]

One of the most valuable things I've learned over the years: I can fire my doctor. I had too many primary care drs who would refuse routine lab work, have no answers for health problems (and no interest in finding answers), and were all-around totally unhelpful.
When someone said "fire your doctor" that made a huge difference in mindset.

 

[lessthanhalf]

I have been doing 12.5 mg enclomiphene for 4 months now and have had great results. What you need to be aware of is that it can raise estrogen, shbg and tank your IGF-1 levels.

When I started, my total T went from my baseline of 600 to north of 1200. While lifting like a madman gains were minimal till I added tessa/ipa which brought my IGF-1 up to slightly more than my baseline. To lower estrogen I took a tiny amount of anastrozole every other day. I felt great and had good gains at the gym.

Me wanting even more gains started a cycle of osterine. Holy crap what a game changer. Two weeks into the ostarine cycle my total T was back down to 600 but my shbg went from super high to very low causing my free T to tripple!! I am almost finished with the 8 week Osterine cycle and my gains are way beyond what I expected. I am approached almost daily from people asking what I'm doing to look like this at my age (63). People think it is full blown AAS.

I am interested in ostarine, there was an interesting study on it combined with semiglutide at very low doses, showing very little muscle loss with doses of 3mg. I have not found a place yet with pills that has it in stock. At that dose it works out to be ridiculously cheap , but getting 3mg out of 25mg pills is going to be a pain. Do you mind answering what dose you are using?