Anyone else place an order during “shutdown”?

I'm waiting too for an order placed 04/10 (order from a vendor that if I had known everything that is coming out these days, I would never have ordered from it, but that's another story).
Got tracking 04/12. Since then tracking still shows "your package is waiting to be picked up by the carrier".

Now, I can understand that there can be troubles about shipping, freigh forwarders etc, I can understand that tracking could be tricky sometimes, but what I can't stand is the lack of communication about it. The day after I received the tracking I started to read about shipping delays, then I asked the rep about it and I was told that they would update me later. Obv I got no update, so today I asked again to check my order, at least to know if it's been sent or not, and I got another laconic answer. Note that befor placing the order communication was great.

I don't know if I have too high expectations or not from grey vendors, maybe my order is on its way and will arrive soon, maybe products are great etc but sure that I'll never order from this vendor again. This is my second grey order (not from the same source), even in the first I noticed a difference in communication between before placing the order and after.

Maybe it's all part of the grey game 😒 and we have to accept that we're not purchasing from legitimate companies.
 
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morrisultra said:
I'm waiting too for an order placed 04/10 (order from a vendor that if I had known everything that is coming out these days, I would never have ordered from it, but that's another story).
Got tracking 04/12. Since then tracking still shows "your package is waiting to be picked up by the carrier".

Now, I can understand that there can be troubles about shipping, freigh forwarders etc, I can understand that tracking could be tricky sometimes, but what I can't stand is the lack of communication about it. The day after I received the tracking I started to read about shipping delays, then I asked the rep about it and I was told that they would uptade me later. Obv I got no uptdate, so today I asked again to check my order, at least to know if it's been sent or not, and I got another laconic answer. Note that befor placing the order communication was great.

I don't know if I have too high expectations or not from grey vendors, maybe my order is on its way and will arrive soon, maybe products are great etc but sure that I'll never order from this vendor again. This is my second grey order (not from the same source), even in the first I noticed a difference in communication between before placing the order and after.

Maybe it's all part of the grey game 😒 and we have to accept that we're not purchasing from legitimate companies.
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Sucks. And regardless of whether your expectations are lofty for grey or not, your experience matters and will likely help someone else’s decide whether they do or don’t want to use said vendor. For informational purposes, who are you dealing with?
 
DragonOfTheSea said:
Sucks. And regardless of whether your expectations are lofty for grey or not, your experience matters and will likely help someone else’s decide whether they do or don’t want to use said vendor. For informational purposes, who are you dealing with?
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When this story end I'll write a review in the apposite section. I want to have a full picture before.
 
Seems like some regular shipping options including anything express is not available to them right now. There seems to be a work around but tracking may very well not be available. So likely they are shipping but also not unlikely you won't know until it hits your doorstep.
 
morrisultra said:
When this story end I'll write a review in the apposite section. I want to have a full picture before.
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For sure- I wasn’t framing this as putting your vendor on blast necessarily, more just informative for others.

5byfive said:
Seems like some regular shipping options including anything express is not available to them right now. There seems to be a work around but tracking may very well not be available. So likely they are shipping but also not unlikely you won't know until it hits your doorstep.
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Yeah, starting to see that around as well. Still hoping I get legit tracking and timeline, but I also anticipate a lot of people in 2 weeks going “Oh hey! My shit is here!🙌”
 
DragonOfTheSea said:
Curious if anyone was else was adventurous?/smart?/stupid?😂 enough to place an order in this past week during the CN shipping shutdown?

I have 7 kits on order from a reputable vendor. Happy to use this thread as an update space for anyone interested.
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I did. I fall under the 'stupid' category because I didn't even know about this shutdown and it was my first ever order from China. I got 6 kits from ERP. I did get a tracking number after 5 days but it's not updating until it's stateside I'm told.
 
amosmylove said:
I did. I fall under the 'stupid' category because I didn't even know about this shutdown and it was my first ever order from China. I got 6 kits from ERP. I did get a tracking number after 5 days but it's not updating until it's stateside I'm told.
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Yeah the outgoing ERP message isn’t the most comforting. Good luck.
 
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I did order during this time.

The vendor I used didn't make it clear about what was happening, at least not where I could see it. (Maybe in another one of their groups or contact methods).

I know I'm impatient, but I stay polite. I repectfully asked for a tracking number after waiting 48hrs, and received one 48hrs after the request (96hrs later). So I was kind of left in the dark for 5 days. (Not a big deal)

I guess I ordered a day or two after the big issues over there, but scrounging around through various discords revealed that there was something going on. Even if my vendor wasn't being transparent.

My vendor made a statement that shipping would resume this week and I have normal trackable movement on my package.

Overall this isn't Amazon, I try not to bother my vendors, I keep my conversations short (easily translated) and polite and receive equally polite responses.

I always get concerned during international transactions but my vendors haven't really let me down so far so I keep ordering with them and remind myself to relax and trust the process.

The gray market can be shaky during times and in my opinion it's important to keep calm and to have multiple solid vendors to avoid issues.

Hopefully everything works out like all of my other packages so far, but in the words of our forum admin "A vendor is only as good as their last order."
 
petros600 said:
Maybe we should start sharing which vendors are transparent, shady, ignore us for the couple weeks. I placed an order to take advantage(or lost $$) the discount that they offer across their prices with:

zhanglill from Kerui Peptide HongKong Co​

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Curious on how this goes. I had a bad experience with them but ended up getting a refund. Had to fight for it though.
 
Fordhayes said:
Curious on how this goes. I had a bad experience with them but ended up getting a refund. Had to fight for it though.
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I've ordered from Zhanglill at KR. I had a shipping problem (40days no movement) but she reshipped. Took 10days that time. Then the package was missing several items. She offered a refund but I wanted the items so she shipped again. 18 days for second shipment. Took 2½ months but I received the entire order eventually.

Of course then I requested another quote for more items and she ignored me....
 
AlexSilver said:
I've ordered from Zhanglill at KR. I had a shipping problem (40days no movement) but she reshipped. Took 10days that time. Then the package was missing several items. She offered a refund but I wanted the items so she shipped again. 18 days for second shipment. Took 2½ months but I received the entire order eventually.

Of course then I requested another quote for more items and she ignored me....
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That’s a shitty experience. But confirms they actually do ship products. Mine was KR Mary different vendor for same company. Within seconds of sending my screenshot of confirmed BTC transaction on TG she deleted the conversation and blocked me. I reached out to zhanglill she got me in contact with Mary. Mary said she didn’t know what happened. Asked for my order information and asked to make sure if I sent BTC to right wallet. It was a different wallet address than was originally given. I told her that it was different and she causally mentions oh yea my telegram was hacked right before you sent funds and it happened to someone else to where they send money to wrong wallet. This doesn’t make sense I was talking to her on her same account. So it got hacked but she got access back to it in under an hour lol I got pissed called her a scammer and she offered “to pay for my order with her own salary” I said yea right you aren’t paying for my order. I want a refund. I didn’t want to deal with this bs and felt like the offering to pay for my order would be just stringing me along with no order ever showing up. Didn’t expect a refund and felt like I got scammed but I raised hell and 4 days later I got a full refund. Why the heck would you ask for another quote after that fuckery the first time?
 
Fordhayes said:
That’s a shitty experience. But confirms they actually do ship products. Mine was KR Mary different vendor for same company. Within seconds of sending my screenshot of confirmed BTC transaction on TG she deleted the conversation and blocked me. I reached out to zhanglill she got me in contact with Mary. Mary said she didn’t know what happened. Asked for my order information and asked to make sure if I sent BTC to right wallet. It was a different wallet address than was originally given. I told her that it was different and she causally mentions oh yea my telegram was hacked right before you sent funds and it happened to someone else to where they send money to wrong wallet. This doesn’t make sense I was talking to her on her same account. So it got hacked but she got access back to it in under an hour lol I got pissed called her a scammer and she offered “to pay for my order with her own salary” I said yea right you aren’t paying for my order. I want a refund. I didn’t want to deal with this bs and felt like the offering to pay for my order would be just stringing me along with no order ever showing up. Didn’t expect a refund and felt like I got scammed but I raised hell and 4 days later I got a full refund. Why the heck would you ask for another quote after that fuckery the first time?
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At the time, because KR had Thymalin in a us warehouse. Got it from a different one. The other us warehouses I have ordered from are usually fast ship, no hassle.
 
My order with is now on its way, theoretically. The tracking number probably won’t tell me anything until the package hits this side of the pond.

Communication has been good and Ruby even sent me a picture of my four kits. So hopefully all goes smoothly.

I did supplement with a vendor with a US warehouse for the meantime. But I have yet to regret having more peps instead of less.
 
I must be fairly fortunate, my vendors provide tracking numbers that actually work.

I get updates like:
Label created
Dropped off to courier
Package received
In route to facility
Arrived at facility
Sorting
Departed distribution center
In route to processing facility
Arrived at processing facility
Departed processing facility
Arrived at international airport
International customs sorting
Cleared customs
On plane
In transit
Arrived at destination country
Customs sorting
Cleared customs
Departed international airport
In route to courier
Handed to courier
In route to facility
Handed over to courier for end of line delivery
On truck
In route to sorting facility
Arrived at distribution center
Out for delivery
Delivered
Etc...

Not necessarily in that order and definitely confusing at times or days between various steps, I had to add/download languages to my phone to be able to read anything, since I have no idea how to read Chinese.

Also the definitions of the updates vary wildly from the different tracking websites, (ship24, ems, gly, track-chinapost, track123, xtracking, aftership, parcelsapp, 17track), but it gives a general idea along the way. Sometimes it even gives an estimate of delivery.

It looks like a lot of people are given tracking with no movement, invalid, etc...
 
Nopenada said:
My order with is now on its way, theoretically. The tracking number probably won’t tell me anything until the package hits this side of the pond.

Communication has been good and Ruby even sent me a picture of my four kits. So hopefully all goes smoothly.

I did supplement with a vendor with a US warehouse for the meantime. But I have yet to regret having more peps instead of less.
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Ruby from LNP? That’s who my order is through and has been great so far.

I chatted yesterday, seeing if I could toss in a kit of Epithalon before it gets shipped out (trying to maximize that shipping 😅) but they said no so sorry but my order was already out to the freighter, and then sent me a pic of my 7 already ordered kits. She then quickly realized (before I did) that there was a GHK-cu 50 in the order instead of the 100 I asked for, so my order had to be modified anyways.

Because of this small (and corrected) mix up, she said she would add in the Epithalon kit I asked for, for free, just that everything would take a couple extra days since it needed to be corrected.

I mean, I’ll take it and am very happy with the situation if it all shows up! Hoping to have my tracking be end of week.
HidingInPlainView said:
I must be fairly fortunate, my vendors provide tracking numbers that actually work.

It looks like a lot of people are given tracking with no movement, invalid, etc...
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Totally. I know my last order, from a different vendor, gave me a tracking number that was stagnant from “carrier received package” onward. Never said delivered and I was holding it in my hands 10 days later.
 
I just ordered some KLOW from a reputable vendor shipping from CN. I asked about shipping delays and was told it would ship within 3 days. I'm curious to see how long it takes. Fingers crossed!
 
Been piecing this together and figured it was worth a post. Two things a lot of people get wrong: what’s actually behind the recent export-side seizure wave out of China, and what “US warehouse” really means when sellers advertise it.

Why China is cracking down on exports right now

Three things stacked together:

-Patent politics. The core GLP-1 compound patent in China expired March 20, 2026. Domestic biosimilar makers are just now ramping up legitimate production. Authorities have every reason to crack down on gray-market exporters undercutting the newly-legal domestic industry and still infringing on patents in destination countries like the US, where the patent runs until 2033.

-Diplomatic pressure. Major Western pharma companies have secured ITC exclusion orders targeting counterfeit imports. An INTERPOL operation from Dec 2024 to May 2025 ran across 90 countries including China, netting hundreds of arrests. Big pharma is pushing through diplomatic channels and China has reasons to look cooperative.

-Domestic scandal prevention. Probably the biggest driver. Chinese authorities are scared of counterfeit product killing people domestically, which would be a political disaster right as the legit domestic industry is launching. Cracking down on export labs disrupts the same operations serving the Chinese gray market.

Retail sales of this stuff are still technically illegal inside China outside licensed channels, which is why most of the overseas-facing activity specifically targets foreign buyers.

What a “US warehouse” actually is

Nothing like a mainstream fulfillment service.

Almost always a small third-party reshipping operation. Sometimes a legit bonded warehouse storing pallets for multiple overseas clients in an industrial unit. Sometimes a garage, residential address, or rented storage space run by a paid US-based contractor. Range is huge, down to a guy’s spare bedroom.

Workflow: seller bulk-ships via air or ocean freight with a US importer of record on paper. Once cleared, it sits at the domestic node. You order, operator prints a domestic label and drops it in the mail. Looks domestic, 2 to 5 days.

This space skews informal because mainstream fulfillment companies drop the account once they realize what’s in the boxes. A lot of actual warehousing is legit cross-border e-commerce operators quietly taking one gray client on the side.

Do multiple sellers share the same warehouse?

All the time. A single operator might fulfill for 5 to 20+ clients at once. Two competing “brands” can easily ship from the same building, sometimes the same shelf. Segregation is only as clean as the operator. A pro setup with warehouse management software keeps it straight; a guy in a storage unit with a spreadsheet is grabbing from whichever bin is closer.

If two sellers source from the same Chinese lab and fulfill from the same US operator, you’re literally getting identical product with different labels at different prices. Also explains why “our US warehouse is down” outages often hit multiple brands at once. One raid takes down many.

Seller and US agent trust

Shakiest part of the setup. Agent doesn’t hold leverage, they don’t own the inventory and can be swapped. But their exposure is real: name on the lease, address that could get raided. Motivated not to skim (ongoing payout beats one-time grab) but motivated to bail fast if law enforcement sniffs around. If an agent steals, seller has zero recourse.

What holds it together: reputation in the logistics network (word travels fast), hometown/clan ties for some, staggered payments so the agent’s always owed something, and running multiple agents in parallel to absorb losses.

Makers vs. middlemen

Most misunderstood piece. A minority (usually bigger, longer-running operations) are actual makers or tight with one specific lab. Real synthesis, own quality control, own vialing, consistent quality, can do custom orders. Most are resellers, sourcing from one or more Chinese labs, rebranding, switching suppliers on price. Quality drifts batch to batch. Middle category: started as middlemen, got close enough to one lab to be effectively vertically integrated.

Signals closer to a real maker: batch-specific lab reports, consistent purity and identity data across orders, non-catalog items on request, answers technical questions directly. Signals middleman: catalog mirrors other sellers, inconsistent presentation, “let me check with the lab,” labels and fill quality change between orders.

US legal side, briefly

Nothing here is a scheduled controlled substance, so possession isn’t a drug crime. But under federal law anything intended for human use that isn’t approved is technically an unapproved new drug, and selling for human consumption is illegal. “Research use only” is essentially fiction. Regulators look at how the product is actually marketed. Buyers at personal-use quantities basically never get prosecuted. Sellers are where enforcement ramped hard in 2025 to 2026.

The question: how much should “has US domestic stock” factor into trust?

Some value to it. A stocked node proves they’ve cleared customs at least once, rules out pure fly-by-night. And domestic shipping kills customs risk on your package regardless of quality. But the signal’s weaker than it looks: warehouse photos are easily faked, shared warehouses obscure whose inventory is whose, international freight and the last-mile domestic label are totally different skills, and the “US contact” is a paid contractor who burns out or disappears.

Domestic stock is mostly (a) customs insurance for you and (b) weak signaling of real infrastructure. The actual reliability predictors (years operating, recent consistent reviews, responsive comms, clean reship history) come from reputation, not stock status.
 
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