Think Ima lay off hoarding reta.

randompersonrandom said:
So I've GOT ten years max dose of tirz, which is what I'm on. I've tried out a vial of r-30, not long enough or on a smart enough titration to get meaningful and consistent experience, but long enough to know that it doesn't cause me any particular side effects and starts to take effect at around 8 mg, which is all I actually wanted. It's always been my intention to stay on tirz, stash the reta in the freezer, and maybe switch to it someday when it's been approved and has been out in the general population long enough for us to know a lot more about it . And I do like to slow-hoard, which is to buy a kit every month or two when there's a good price, and stopping if I get to ten years max dose like I did with tirz.

I'm at five years mid-dose stash with reta, but I think Ima stop there. Like, I know that tirz is tirz is tirz, it's a cockroach, it lives forever in a good freezer, you can freeze it after recon so you can work with way-higher-than-your-dosage vials, it doesn't degrade much in the freezer, and there's not a lot of drama with its manufacture. I know it's basically fine to doomsday-hoard tirz.

But every new discussion about reta is "hey, this is weird and sensitive." Sometimes it goes cloudy even with hospira cause maybe the excipient has some salts or something which will wreck it. It doesn't freeze well or it does and degrades a lot after 45 days. Also sometimes it doesn't degrade very fast at all and other times it degrades REALLY fast, let's spin the wheel.

The reason I'm not using it yet is because of all of the early-years uncertainty on how this stuff acts and whether it's safe and the fact that we don't really know as much about it as we do about stuff that's been around for longer. But I'm thinking maybe those ought to be the reasons I don't actually stash a lot of it yet, either.

I have no doubt that when the next big things come out, I'll want to stash those too because wheee. But I think I'll cap "this is new" stashes at two years,
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Serious question...why do you think you need that much product? Are you planning on using both products for that long?
 
Chocolate Boy Wonder said:
Newbie question...isn't that an aggressive amount of weight in a short period of time? What dose are you at?
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That's basically 10lbs month or 2.5lbs/week. Not terrible. I'm down 39lbs since 1/9/26, one day in front of him. I'm currently on 7mg Reta.
 
Airborne Daddy said:
You can stop hoarding, but dont leave us.... i feel the same, reta loses its luster for me after a while so i revert back to 15mg tirz and just like the first time, my favorites like lasagna and chili are now disgusting to me for the next 5 days.
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I was thinking about switching from Reta to Tirz once I reach my goal weight within the next 3 months. Do you think it will be effective to go from R to T for maintenance mode?
 
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BNLFL said:
Just a FYI. She doesn't like the full name posted on public forums.
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I hesitate to ask for translations of the vendor references, but it does get confusing. Discord has been an absolute bloodbath, with vendor channels getting nuked. Data Mining Site and Peppy's are a bit more stable.

My Telegram login has started working again (it was mysteriously locked even though I hadn't used it in years). No idea how to find the groups/forums there. I'd like to see the Uther group is it still exists...

Seriously, finding sources in this space is frustrating...
 
Chocolate Boy Wonder said:
Serious question...why do you think you need that much product? Are you planning on using both products for that long?
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Of course not. I plan on using one or the other, or possibly some third one they come out with later, for a total of THREE TIMES that length of time, assuming I live to see ninety.

But I have reasonable faith that in the next fifteen years, the prices of not-grey will go down enough that I won't have to live under a risk of "some day, I might find myself in a situation where my finances are too tight to afford the meds that keep me from gaining back all sixty-seventy pounds I lost and then some, and I might be looking down the barrel of white-knuckling through life against that kind of issues with food that I fought so hard with in the first forty-five years and always ultimately succumbed to."
 
yeddie said:
I hesitate to ask for translations of the vendor references, but it does get confusing. Discord has been an absolute bloodbath, with vendor channels getting nuked. Data Mining Site and Peppy's are a bit more stable.

My Telegram login has started working again (it was mysteriously locked even though I hadn't used it in years). No idea how to find the groups/forums there. I'd like to see the Uther group is it still exists...

Seriously, finding sources in this space is frustrating...
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It does, but he's got crazy shipping. I only really use TG and have found the best deals in GB. You're right, It's hard to find stuff there. A few places need invites to access. Best to look for GB that are selling Uther stuff. I still have my two US places I like.
 
randompersonrandom said:
Of course not. I plan on using one or the other, or possibly some third one they come out with later, for a total of THREE TIMES that length of time, assuming I live to see ninety.

But I have reasonable faith that in the next fifteen years, the prices of not-grey will go down enough that I won't have to live under a risk of "some day, I might find myself in a situation where my finances are too tight to afford the meds that keep me from gaining back all sixty-seventy pounds I lost and then some, and I might be looking down the barrel of white-knuckling through life against that kind of issues with food that I fought so hard with in the first forty-five years and always ultimately succumbed to."
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LOL...I hear you! Another maybe silly question...Is there a time limit that frozen powder stays good for?
 
BNLFL said:
That's basically 10lbs month or 2.5lbs/week. Not terrible. I'm down 39lbs since 1/9/26, one day in front of him. I'm currently on 7mg Reta.
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Hmm. I just say that is "aggressive" because my when I told my clinician that I was down 2.6 lbs a week, they said that the "proper" rate to lose, is 1.5 - 2.0 lbs a week.
 
Chocolate Boy Wonder said:
Hmm. I just say that is "aggressive" because my when I told my clinician that I was down 2.6 lbs a week, they said that the "proper" rate to lose, is 1.5 - 2.0 lbs a week.
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1% a week when you have a large surplus is my general tipping point from moderate to aggressive.

A 5'4" 140lb person losing 2lb a week is aggressive. A 6'1" 360lb person losing 2lb a week is not.
 
Chocolate Boy Wonder said:
Hmm. I just say that is "aggressive" because my when I told my clinician that I was down 2.6 lbs a week, they said that the "proper" rate to lose, is 1.5 - 2.0 lbs a week.
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2.6 isn't terrible. It's when you see the 4-5lb/week ones. I just looked at my spreadsheet, looks like I'm 1.5-2lbs/week with a couple of 1lb and a few 2.4.
 
Over the last 20 weeks my rolling 7 day weight has ranged from -6lb to + 4lb, with the average being 2.6-2.75lb/week.
 
This thread was enlightening and entertaining. I'm definitely a lot closer to a hoarder, with buying stacks of meds every time I go to India, most of which I never need to use [antibiotics for instance]. Strategically, it might make sense to consider that these GLPs would become outdated, archaic, or even downright obsolete in a few years. This is even more likely a definite possibility considering the AI advancements in research. However, true strategy requires critical-divergent thinking, looking at ALL variables involved. Yes, it's guaranteed that there WILL be easier-to-take, maybe even oral versions, super-efficacious, elite medications coming to the market. It's even more obvious that some of the advancements WILL include multiple benefits with a single pill. [Just as an example- there is an Undecanoate ester for Testosterone already available.]
Heck, when humanity achieves singularity, all this will be moot.

However, there is ONE major problem with the assumption that this is the true and most prudent strategy. It relies on the belief that people WILL have access to the latest revolutionary biohack that they have today. Where's the guarantee that the grey market will remain unmolested, or that people will have the liberty to take control of their lives as much as they can now? Given how things are progressing, and the clear upward trend of socialistic/collectivist tyrannical policies, [EU], it is far likelier that free-thinking people would find themselves curtailed, constrained, and subdued. Already, customs seizures, shutdowns, whatever are real. Prescription policing has been going on here for ages. Don't even get me started on places like the UK or Canada, where public healthcare is the norm- [You don't own your bodies there.]

Therefore, it's my contention that while yes, strategically it makes sense to avail yourself of only the best meds available, phronetically, the best choice is to stock up on the meds you know will work, and when it is WITH YOU, USAGE IS GUARANTEED.
 
BNLFL said:
There will always be the internet for stuff you want, and always has been.
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A few months ago, I had to leave TG for a while to recover from the shock of what you could get, like "Xanax" that could be laced with fentanyl.
 
BNLFL said:
There will always be the internet for stuff you want, and always has been. @Smiter How old are you?
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That is an apparently reasonable assumption. Internet policing has been playing catchup over the last several decades. I would posit that one of the main limitations that keeps the internet "free" is that a lot of the policing is still human-driven. Recently, Canada had raided and seized a bunch of stocks, while analogously, here in the US many 'labs' were abolished for provisions 'NOT ALLOWED'. Anyway, my point is that it may not be phronetic to assume that a 'free internet' might include 'free market' for what we want, even with the dark side included. Another example is here in Virginia, many sites do not work because the law forbids its free functioning. I think yesterday, I read about Utah legislating the canceling of websites that allow VPN use.
Oh, sorry, yeah I am 44.
 
Calm Logic said:
A few months ago, I had to leave TG for a while to recover from the shock of what you could get, like "Xanax" that could be laced with fentanyl.
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Only place I see that is in the W-B-S sections, some of the ads from India are interesting, but you have a few you like if I remember right.
 
Fentanyl-laced tablets are often made/pressed in America, sold to college-aged students as "Ritalin" or "Xanax" etc. After a fatal overdose, the cops will check the victim's TG, Signal, etc., if they are interested in finding the dealer. But some are also sold on websites.

The whole thing made me feel disgusted since it is the same process for buying peptides. But so is buying from websites like Amazon. People have died after buying laced tables from American websites.
 
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