Vendor Research

[ussop]

Hello all,

READ THE REPORT AND PDF'S PLEASE THAT IS THE MAIN INFORMATION THIS IS MAINLY FLUFF

I have been doing research into suppliers lately. I don't have the exact lab reports, but I tried to compile everything to make it easy for everyone to make a decision—and maybe to call out the suppliers who are not pulling their weight or are acting in bad faith.

My personal experience: I tried talking to ERP. They seem to be one of the most popular group chats, but they all seem to be in a box. The group leader is B Li (tag @biblong) and I really would encourage nobody to do business with them. This person is apparently managing a group but talks like a rapper and talks about lean, smoking, and drugs. I’m not sure how this company allows them to interact with people like this; it’s insane to me. I asked a question and they just laughed at me. They seem more like a "chatter" from an NFT group or those X reply people who just say things to keep the chat active with no real intent for anything else.

There’s much more to this person than just being generally rude. I believe they mentioned that I’m another person, but I don’t know who it is. I assume competitors go into each other’s chats and talk negatively about each other, but this wasn’t the case for me.

Another one is Champion Peptides. The Finnrisk results and everything else seemed good, but when I asked the admin, Jessica, how much weight she lost (after she posted a testimonial about how her life changed), she just blocked me and muted my permissions. Mind you, I didn't say anything bad. I’ve even tried talking to the other admins since then to actually purchase despite the incident, and they are just being rude and dismissive.

It’s just a weird situation. If someone is asking questions about a product and asking to pay, and the staff is being rude, I think you should just be nice. I’m not asking them to kiss my toes, but just have some basic professionalism. I’ve seen many situations where suppliers are being rude in general across this forum, and I think it’s important to hold them accountable. Just be nice—that’s literally it.

Now, I’ve spoken to about 10 other suppliers, and I’ve never encountered any issues like this. I genuinely wish Champion was good because they appeared so reliable, but I don’t understand why that woman became so upset. It’s fair to respond to this and say that you “asked a woman her weight.”

However, if a woman didn’t want to share her results and her story, why can’t I ask her about her weight?

Anyway, I made a PDF where I tried to scrape the internet to find which suppliers were good or bad. I gave the AI instructions to stay unbiased and evaluate everything. I made this in hopes it can help everyone else so we can continue to hold these suppliers accountable and get good service.

Per the rules, I won't share exactly what I want to do, but I will share this data.

This report addresses the critical concern of bias in peptide vendor reviews, a prevalent issue in online communities. It integrates previous findings on vendor authenticity, legitimacy, and safety with a skeptical analysis to provide a more objective and balanced perspective on the leading Chinese peptide wholesalers as of May 2026. The goal is to help buyers navigate the market with a clearer understanding of both the reported benefits and potential hidden risks.

The Challenge of Bias: "Shilling" and Moderated Reviews

The peptide community is rife with "shilling," where vendors or their affiliates post misleadingly positive reviews or suppress negative feedback. This is particularly problematic on forums where vendors sponsor sections and can moderate discussions in their associated Telegram or Discord groups, leading to a skewed perception of their reputation. Therefore, this analysis prioritizes independent group tests and cross-referenced complaints over isolated positive testimonials.

Will attach the pdf here.

I hope the suppliers mentioned in a negative light can improve their service, and Bi Li should be fired.

 

[ussop]

I really dislike B Li. I’m not going to say 100% ERP is bad or 100% any supplier is bad ERP has some inconsistencies based on the report, but this B Li just really pissed me off.

How are you going to allow a ghetto drug dealer to represent your company? (ERP)

Also, this same person(B Li) banned someone who had placed an order.

one thing I think is very important is there is no professionalism on the most basic aspect. How can you expect professionalism in the product delivered?

 

[CJsMom]

Re asking about her weight, I read on another thread where someone asked the vendor if they would use the product they were selling and the answer was that the vendor could not afford to buy the product herself. So, you could have hit a nerve there. Also, despite their English, such as it is, the vendors are from a completely different culture and what seems like a reasonable question to you may have been considered rude, or offensive in their culture. I don't know anything about Chinese culture, mind you, but I do know it is different from ours in many ways.

 

[Beardboost]

Reports aside, I have seen many deliveries from ERP being seized, now people have been expected to pay 50% of the order if they want another attempt, might be the most active but when you dig deeper its a rabbit hole for issues...

 

[Chili777]

I really dislike B Li. I’m not going to say 100% ERP is bad or 100% any supplier is bad ERP has some inconsistencies based on the report, but this B Li just really pissed me off.

How are you going to allow a ghetto drug dealer to represent your company? (ERP)

Also, this same person(B Li) banned someone who had placed an order.

one thing I think is very important is there is no professionalism on the most basic aspect. How can you expect professionalism in the product delivered?

B Li is the ERP group MOD, as I understand it. They have been under recent fire because of bad peps, no refunds, poor sterility, and they are banning people who mention anything detrimental in the least. The people left in the group are blind minions. There was even an issue where they told Brazilian customers that they would refund or reship in case of seizure, but then reneged on their proven promises and offered to refund them 30% "on their next order" even AFTER receiving the product after it was returned to them. IMO, they are to be avoided at all costs.

 

[ussop]

Re asking about her weight, I read on another thread where someone asked the vendor if they would use the product they were selling and the answer was that the vendor could not afford to buy the product herself. So, you could have hit a nerve there. Also, despite their English, such as it is, the vendors are from a completely different culture and what seems like a reasonable question to you may have been considered rude, or offensive in their culture. I don't know anything about Chinese culture, mind you, but I do know it is different from ours in many ways.

Ah, I knew that would be brought up in my initial message, but I thought it was too much fluff.

I messaged the moderators and asked them to unmute me and let me speak. They said they didn’t know how to do it.

But look, let’s be a little frank.

They’re dealing with different cultures

They have to get used to our way of speaking.

Even if it was rude, you wouldn’t ban someone for that.

The moderators didn’t even care.

That shows negligence.

Now, what else could be negligent? The product?

It’s like if I asked you about something and you lied to me, and then I asked you five other questions, and you expect me to believe you?

Anyway would love to hear the feedback on the actual analysis & work I put in 🙁

 

[ussop]

B Li is the ERP group MOD, as I understand it. They have been under recent fire because of bad peps, no refunds, poor sterility, and they are banning people who mention anything detrimental in the least. The people left in the group are blind minions. There was even an issue where they told Brazilian customers that they would refund or reship in case of seizure, but then reneged on their proven promises and offered to refund them 30% "on their next order" even AFTER receiving the product after it was returned to them. IMO, they are to be avoided at all costs.

I asked these questions on Telegram, and quickly everyone shifted to the ERP side(suprising no) that nobody gave negative feedback in the group. I guess they are all bots. but I really don’t like them. I wish I could post about it just because of the B Li and that person’s behavior says everything you need to know about the admins.

I must say that I genuinely thought Champion was the one, and I wish she could be as good as she seems. I understand that the report mentions Jeep, but I personally like them. If they exhibit exceptional behavior, I would definitely consider going to them. I genuinely like them.

However, I’m thinking of posting the entire report so that others can see it. Perhaps they’re afraid of downloading PDFs.

I wish you would critique the reports I spent an hour compiling.

I also spent 5000 Credits on them.

🙁

 

[ussop]

Reports aside, I have seen many deliveries from ERP being seized, now people have been expected to pay 50% of the order if they want another attempt, might be the most active but when you dig deeper its a rabbit hole for issues...

Yeah, that’s why I was so confused about ERP and how the group was so active. It truly is a bot paradise or a rabbit hole where people are unable to differentiate outside of their “hole” or “box” or it’s just bots.

Please critique my findings 🙁

That was literally the main focus.

 

[ussop]

Please everyone look at the reports and respond to them. I know B Li is an asshole, but I really put time into the reports. 🙁

 

[ussop]

B Li is the ERP group MOD, as I understand it. They have been under recent fire because of bad peps, no refunds, poor sterility, and they are banning people who mention anything detrimental in the least. The people left in the group are blind minions. There was even an issue where they told Brazilian customers that they would refund or reship in case of seizure, but then reneged on their proven promises and offered to refund them 30% "on their next order" even AFTER receiving the product after it was returned to them. IMO, they are to be avoided at all costs.

Like a crackhouse, exactly how. B Li is

fits the shoe tbh

 

[Jack brown]

Please everyone look at the reports and respond to them. I know B Li is an asshole, but I really put time into the reports. 🙁

Honestly most of the best vendors aren't on the forum. I think you should strongly weight your choice toward any vendor who has been around for more than a year.

 

[Chili777]

I asked these questions on Telegram, and quickly everyone shifted to the ERP side(suprising no) that nobody gave negative feedback in the group. I guess they are all bots. but I really don’t like them. I wish I could post about it just because of the B Li and that person’s behavior says everything you need to know about the admins.

I must say that I genuinely thought Champion was the one, and I wish she could be as good as she seems. I understand that the report mentions Jeep, but I personally like them. If they exhibit exceptional behavior, I would definitely consider going to them. I genuinely like them.

However, I’m thinking of posting the entire report so that others can see it. Perhaps they’re afraid of downloading PDFs.

I wish you would critique the reports I spent an hour compiling.

I also spent 5000 Credits on them.

🙁

I read them. The only issue with reports like these is they are only a snapshot in time. They can change next week. Uther, ERP, Jeep and others were the toast of the town just a few months ago. The primary issue I see is that you have 3-5 raw manufacturers that supply the vast majority of finishers and they are the mercy of the quality that they receive. The vendors either resell from the finishers, or a few finish themselves. Very few of them produce lyophilized products themselves and do their own testing, with quality guarantees. You're left focusing on which vendors who actually live up to their refund/replacement policies. You mention APS, MKM and QSC and each have them have had recent quality and customer service issues. It's how they handle those issues when they arise that makes the difference, because quality issues are increasing.

 

[Camlbacker]

I have tested five products from ERP that I bought in late January/early February (TSM10, MS40, RT30, KLOW80, NJ500) and have either used or will use all of them regularly. All results were satisfactory and all have thus far performed as I expected. That said, I have been watching ERP deteriorate since and am hesitant to do business with them again and certainly would not buy from the China warehouse. The whole 30% refund/50% reship thing is an absolute scam, and incentivizes scams among anyone in the company who could benefit financially from it. That in and of itself is deleterious to trust in the company, especially if clients were promised free reship (which is the ONLY position of integrity here, in my view). It's incumbent on the vendor to have their logistics chain up to snuff and to make changes as circumstances on the ground change and to get people their research tools that they rightfully paid for or give them their money back. That's literally their business, and we as researchers are at the mercy of their integrity (and they don't seem to have any, or at least far from enough). They know how to TALK about integrity (see their marketing posts here on the forum, for example), but apparently they don't know how to BE about integrity.

B Li, for his part, is a turtle on a fence post if I ever saw one.

 

[5byfive]

It kinda looks you took a look at a handful of vendors and fell in love with one. That's fine, everyone has their favorites, but I don't think it is as deep of an analysis of the market as you feel it is. I've done some pretty deep dives into the market myself and I feel like Andy probably fine overall but I also think they likey share the same supply chain as Jeep so I have avoided them. I applaud you for the work you did, few people put in that kind of effort, but I don't think its any kind of definitive answer as to who is the best.

 

[ussop]

I have tested five products from ERP that I bought in late January/early February (TSM10, MS40, RT30, KLOW80, NJ500) and have either used or will use all of them regularly. All results were satisfactory and all have thus far performed as I expected. That said, I have been watching ERP deteriorate since and am hesitant to do business with them again and certainly would not buy from the China warehouse. The whole 30% refund/50% reship thing is an absolute scam, and incentivizes scams among anyone in the company who could benefit financially from it. That in and of itself is deleterious to trust in the company, especially if clients were promised free reship (which is the ONLY position of integrity here, in my view). It's incumbent on the vendor to have their logistics chain up to snuff and to make changes as circumstances on the ground change and to get people their research tools that they rightfully paid for or give them their money back. That's literally their business, and we as researchers are at the mercy of their integrity (and they don't seem to have any, or at least far from enough). They know how to TALK about integrity (see their marketing posts here on the forum, for example), but apparently they don't know how to BE about integrity.

B Li, for his part, is a turtle on a fence post if I ever saw one.

I have a PDF with more information. Do you agree with the assessments? Or were you able to read it?

It kinda looks you took a look at a handful of vendors and fell in love with one. That's fine, everyone has their favorites, but I don't think it is as deep of an analysis of the market as you feel it is. I've done some pretty deep dives into the market myself and I feel like Andy probably fine overall but I also think they likey share the same supply chain as Jeep so I have avoided them. I applaud you for the work you did, few people put in that kind of effort, but I don't think its any kind of definitive answer as to who is the best.

I literally asked it to be general and not biased. I used AI to generate this list, and it was an AI agent that I didn’t give any special information to. I admit, I was curious about one company that I won’t name, and I repeatedly asked it. Once the replies sounded “too good,” I asked it to list the negative parts as well.

kinda crazy how I’m trying to “choose” suppliers, brother. If you yourself turn out to be the best supplier in the world, I’ll choose you. I don’t discriminate; I just want a good product. If you find a homeless man down the street who has the best products, send them to me too.