CNBC's "Ozempic underworld: Inside the black market of obesity drugs"

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My meme game is weak.... best I could do this early.
 
This kind of reporting is what kept my grandma—who lived in a nice neighborhood—from leaving her house out of of fear of all the hazard and crime outside. Fear mongering for clicks on behalf of a big corporation… smh.

They never mention all the testing we do to confirm that we aren’t booping insulin, and to make sure that the quantity on the label is what is in the vial. It does demonstrate why we need to do post-purchase testing and not trust vendor tests.
 
The solution to this problem was outlined in your Econ 101 and 102 courses.

We've seen the impact to black markets when regulated markets compete with them. Look at medical and recreational marijuana.

Until then. Big Pharma and the FDA can just keep their garden hose pointed at the fire fight.
 
mostlydamp said:
With all the recent stuff happening I made a final purchase and I'm done buying for the next 2-3 years, as long as the peps last. Still interesting looking at the forums but eventually this kind of exposure will draw too much attention. Crazy.
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Is there a place where I can find reputable vials of powdered Tirzepatide?
 
mostlydamp said:
With all the recent stuff happening I made a final purchase and I'm done buying for the next 2-3 years, as long as the peps last. Still interesting looking at the forums but eventually this kind of exposure will draw too much attention. Crazy.
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Bad news, friend: you think you’re set until fomo sets in. You haven’t stocked up for 2 years, you’ve started your hoard.
 
mostlydamp said:
With all the recent stuff happening I made a final purchase and I'm done buying for the next 2-3 years, as long as the peps last. Still interesting looking at the forums but eventually this kind of exposure will draw too much attention. Crazy.
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Fearmongering is working?

I doubt very seriously they're concerned with individual users. Their time and effort is best spent trying to crack down on sources.
 
brentm said:
Fearmongering is working?

I doubt very seriously they're concerned with individual users. Their time and effort is best spent trying to crack down on sources.
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Maybe working a little bit in that I think there are enough fools that someone is going to mess it up for everyone. And by that I mean either law enforcement adapting when people get sick or die, or by the gray market quality dropping so much due to huge demand that half of the product is junk. The second one is my main concern.

Just look at the forum recently with the shitload of people who are buying blindly with off the wall questions. Chinese culture and business practices dont support individuals speaking out to tell the boss, "Hey we can't do that." So the orders are going to get filled by whatever means, foolish people will keep buying, and eventually little old me who just wants to reup tirzepatide from my previously reputable source now bought a vial of straight filler.
 
mostlydamp said:
Maybe working a little bit in that I think there are enough fools that someone is going to mess it up for everyone. And by that I mean either law enforcement adapting when people get sick or die, or by the gray market quality dropping so much due to huge demand that half of the product is junk. The second one is my main concern.

Just look at the forum recently with the shitload of people who are buying blindly with off the wall questions. Chinese culture and business practices dont support individuals speaking out to tell the boss, "Hey we can't do that." So the orders are going to get filled by whatever means, foolish people will keep buying, and eventually little old me who just wants to reup tirzepatide from my previously reputable source now bought a vial of straight filler.
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All fair and valid concerns.
 
I have not seen any vendors around here selling "Counterfeit" Ozempic, or any other name brand products. While Ozempic, Wegovy, Rybelsus and Semaglutide have the same active ingredient, Semaglutide is not a brand name. I suppose the FDA could do something about it, but Novo Nordisk or Eli Lilly can't. Because GLP-1s are not controlled substances, I am doubtful anyone can take enforcement action against individual consumers.
 
mostlydamp said:
With all the recent stuff happening I made a final purchase and I'm done buying for the next 2-3 years, as long as the peps last. Still interesting looking at the forums but eventually this kind of exposure will draw too much attention. Crazy.
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Exactly what I did. Bought a 2 year supply and am hoping that the dust settles on pricing and supply from Lilly.
In the near term my concern is that following elections, all candidates independent of party affiliation want to punish China and will be motivated to do something about it to prove their commitment to doing so. There could be a serious crackdown at customs.
For now it looks like the feds are focused on counterfeit brand names while 'research' chemicals get to fly mostly under the radar.
 
AndyPanda said:
I have not seen any vendors around here selling "Counterfeit" Ozempic, or any other name brand products. While Ozempic, Wegovy, Rybelsus and Semaglutide have the same active ingredient, Semaglutide is not a brand name. I suppose the FDA could do something about it, but Novo Nordisk or Eli Lilly can't. Because GLP-1s are not controlled substances, I am doubtful anyone can take enforcement action against individual consumers.
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I'm not going to pretend I understand the IP law surrounding this...

But semaglutide and tirzapetide are chemically patented according to this paper.
www.reddie.co.uk

The year of Ozempic: An IP take

There is enormous demand for weight management drugs. Since 1975, the number of people living with obesity has tripled globally, and it is predicted that in ten years’ time, over half of the global population will be overweight or obese. Innovation in this field has huge potential to improve...
www.reddie.co.uk www.reddie.co.uk

So compounding pharmacies were technically selling counterfeit Semaglutide. Once the patent runs out, it will become "generic" semaglutide.
 
brentm said:
I'm not going to pretend I understand the IP law surrounding this...

But semaglutide and tirzapetide are chemically patented according to this paper.
www.reddie.co.uk

The year of Ozempic: An IP take

There is enormous demand for weight management drugs. Since 1975, the number of people living with obesity has tripled globally, and it is predicted that in ten years’ time, over half of the global population will be overweight or obese. Innovation in this field has huge potential to improve...
www.reddie.co.uk www.reddie.co.uk

So compounding pharmacies were technically selling counterfeit Semaglutide. Once the patent runs out, it will become "generic" semaglutide.
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Society loves to hate fat people. I think its despicable that they push "acceptance" and "body positivity” over health. They want to stop people from getting Semaglutide at affordable rates but you can get a months supply of hard narcotics or benzos with GoodRx for $3.
 
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AndyPanda said:
Society loves to hate fat people. I think its despicable that they push "acceptance" and "body positivity over health. They want to stop people from getting Semaglutide at affordable rates but you can get a months supply of hard narcotics or benzos with GoodRx for $3.
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Lots of people on the Reddit subs discuss how once they lost weight people treat them differently.
 
mostlydamp said:
With all the recent stuff happening I made a final purchase and I'm done buying for the next 2-3 years, as long as the peps last. Still interesting looking at the forums but eventually this kind of exposure will draw too much attention. Crazy.
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Yeah. I really think it's a matter of time until something happens. I give it 6 months max. Too many new people who lack common sense, and there are plenty of folks in media and government interested in blasting their stories.
 
AndyPanda said:
Society loves to hate fat people. I think its despicable that they push "acceptance" and "body positivity over health. They want to stop people from getting Semaglutide at affordable rates but you can get a months supply of hard narcotics or benzos with GoodRx for $3.
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Rich people get ozempic.

Poor people get body positivity.

- South Park
 
brentm said:
Lots of people on the Reddit subs discuss how once they lost weight people treat them differently.
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This is a pretty well known thing across the board. I will say that the one thing I welcomed the most about being fat as a woman is being almost invisible to men in public places. Not getting harassed as much except for the occasional chubby chaser. Back when I was thin I'd get harassed at all manner of places. The scariest was at a gas station when the guy got really mad when I told him I just wanted to pump my gas in peace so he started circling the pumps then tried to follow me when I drove away.

Granted, there are tons of other scenarios where getting treated differently really sucked.
 
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Infinitestarlet said:
Although I wouldn't be surprised if this was fear mongering from big pharma, but this article seems more geared towards people buying counterfeit OZ, MJ, WG, and ZB. I know when I was paying full price for ZB, some of the research I did had people buying conterfeit pens or tampered pens that were filled with who knows what. That's not to say the gray market doesn't have counterfeiting, eventually an RS who doesn't do the proper research with buying doses will lead to something bad and that will definitely shine a spotlight.
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That's true about this article, I just think it's getting closer to a big story. Once something goes on reddit, sites like Buzzfeed steal the content so eventually it will trickle up to regular news.
 
geoguy78 said:
This is ludicrous. Why isn't CNBC doing their job and being real journalists? Where's the story about why normal middle class folks are risking their money and health in search of a "deal"? The real story is that these meds are changing people's lives for the better, and cost way more than they need to, so people are taking risks to get them.
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Well said, you deserve a prize.
 
Dionysian said:
But slimming down for women actually increases our danger, that was the point of @moonpies4misfits anecdotes. Fat men who slim down can look forward to more positive attention but rarely will it result in outright sexual assault, sexual harrrassment and being MORE scared of men than we already are. I’m not looking forward to that aspect either.
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Ding ding ding. Thank you for articulating my point. 💚
 
moonpies4misfits said:
Kinda missed the point there. Do they welcome that aspect of being fat? Cuz honestly, I feel safer out in public as a fat woman than I ever did as a thin woman.
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I weigh over 100+lbs more now than I did in my twenties due to health issues and this aspect of being thin was horrible. I was getting this harassment from women too, and men would flirt with me in front of their wives. It was very lonely and often really humiliating to be more attractive.
 
Dionysian said:
That’s exactly what we are saying that we have experienced. Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women? Maybe ask the women in your life how often they’ve had danger signals raise their hair bc men are doing weird stuff like parking next to them in an empty carpark or following them around the store trying to make convo despite ignoring them. Etc etc etc. Most of us women here will have had a long period of “being slim enough to be conventionally attractive” and then being fat. The risks go way down being fat. It’s almost comforting and it’s actually a common thing for women who were sexually assaulted to turn to overeating and find safety in their fatness.
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I have a feeling logic won't work with this one. He thought my post about harassment somehow equated to men getting laid and that speaks volumes.
 
moonpies4misfits said:
Jesus fucking christ, where's your reading comprehension? We are simply stating fact, that we feel safer in public when we aren't considered conventionally attractive. "Inadvertently" You fucking knew what kind of reaction your last comment would get. Inadvertent my ass.
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On a somewhat similar note but completely relevant. And at the risk of triggering someone reading this.

If I were a woman in today's society. I would be proficient and confident in concealed carry. This would mean the confidence to carry a loaded (chambered) weapon on my person. The ability to handle the weapon (lock, secure, transfer) safely. Lots of range practice with someone who can properly train me on safety, and how to put my shots on target reliably at different distances. Etc etc etc.

I grew up with my mom (single mother) who was constantly harassed by strangers. It might have been a different world back then, and she certainly didn't make attempts to blend in. She did carry some form of mace.

That might be another option. Bear spray.

This is one of the things I'm looking forward to about losing some more weight. Is wearing clothing where concealed carry is more comfortable.

And I'm a man....

There's crazy people everywhere.
 
Dionysian said:
That’s exactly what we are saying that we have experienced. Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women? Maybe ask the women in your life how often they’ve had danger signals raise their hair bc men are doing weird stuff like parking next to them in an empty carpark or following them around the store trying to make convo despite ignoring them. Etc etc etc. Most of us women here will have had a long period of “being slim enough to be conventionally attractive” and then being fat. The risks go way down being fat. It’s almost comforting and it’s actually a common thing for women who were sexually assaulted to turn to overeating and find safety in their fatness.
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How about we stop talking about how dangerous OUR gender is to women and point the finger at the VERY few men that are absolute scumbags?

I hope you are able find healing but I take significant issue with this "all men are evil" conversation. I, and I'd venture a VAST majority of my gender are just trying to get through our lives like you are.
 
brentm said:
On a somewhat similar note but completely relevant. And at the risk of triggering someone reading this.

If I were a woman in today's society. I would be proficient and confident in concealed carry. This would mean the confidence to carry a loaded (chambered) weapon on my person. The ability to handle the weapon (lock, secure, transfer) safely. Lots of range practice with someone who can properly train me on safety, and how to put my shots on target reliably at different distances. Etc etc etc.

I grew up with my mom (single mother) who was constantly harassed by strangers. It might have been a different world back then, and she certainly didn't make attempts to blend in. She did carry some form of mace.

That might be another option. Bear spray.

This is one of the things I'm looking forward to about losing some more weight. Is wearing clothing where concealed carry is more comfortable.

And I'm a man....

There's crazy people everywhere.
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Absolutely. I've been wanting to do all of this once it fits in my budget, especially since I live in a major city in a somewhat iffy part of town.
 
ImSW1 said:
How about we stop talking about how dangerous OUR gender is to women and point the finger at the VERY few men that are absolute scumbags?

I hope you are able find healing but I take significant issue with this "all men are evil" conversation. I, and I'd venture a VAST majority of my gender are just trying to get through our lives like you are.
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Nobody said it was all men, but it's enough men to make most women feel this way. If it were just a very few, why do we have SO MANY personal stories like this? We didn't just make this shit up, this is coming from our lived experiences. Maybe it would be less of a problem if more of the good men called out the bad actors instead of making excuses and minimizing the problem.
 
moonpies4misfits said:
Nobody said it was all men, but it's enough men to make most women feel this way. If it were just a very few, why do we have SO MANY personal stories like this? Maybe it would be less of a problem if more of the good men called out the bad actors instead of making excuses and minimizing the problem.
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Yeah, because there's no lack of men standing up and putting themselves in danger for women. What would you precisely like us to do for you?

The statement I'm responding to is "Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women?"

Yes, there's evil PEOPLE out there but when we're you guaranteed safety at all times? How many is "enough" men? There's 170ish million men in America. How many of us do you think are in this group?

I wish you were safe everywhere you went, but that's a pipe dream for both genders.
 
ImSW1 said:
Yeah, because there's no lack of men standing up and putting themselves in danger for women. What would you precisely like us to do for you?

The statement I'm responding to is "Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women?"

Yes, there's evil PEOPLE out there but when we're you guaranteed safety at all times? How many is enough men? There's 170ish million men in America. How many of us do you think are in this group?

I wish you were safe everywhere you went, but that's a pipe dream for both genders.
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I didn't say anyone had to put themselves in danger. It can be as simple as calling out a friend for acting inappropriately. Yes, there are monsters everywhere, but when the statistics show that 91% of sexual assault victims are women, we have good reason to fear for our safety.
 
moonpies4misfits said:
I didn't say anyone had to put themselves in danger. It can be as simple as calling out a friend for acting inappropriately. Yes, there are monsters everywhere, but when the statistics show that 91% of sexual assault victims are women, we have good reason to fear for our safety.
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We're not in any disagreement here on sexual assault statistics, but what's the overall number of sexual assaults vs. men in the US? I think you'll find that the vast majority of men are busy being decent members of society. The thing I disagree with is the over generalizations in this thread.

And here we go again "In my experience, a lot of the men that other men think are good men, are not good men." I agree, we're all evil!
 
ImSW1 said:
We're not in any disagreement here on sexual assault statistics, but what's the overall number of sexual assaults vs. men in the US? I think you'll find that the vast majority of men are busy being decent members of society. The thing I disagree with is the over generalizations in this thread.

And here we go again "In my experience, a lot of the men that other men think are good men, are not good men." I agree, we're all evil!
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I didn’t say all, I said, “a lot.” Interesting that you put yourself in that category. I didn’t.
 
noteablequotable said:
This conversation isn't productive anymore and should probably stop here. @moonpies4misfits made some honest observations about her actual experiences without the intent to malign anyone or make negative generalizations about men. That wasn't understood or well received (which happens) so there is no point in continuing to argue it.
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But my experiences are irrelevant. OK!
 
ImSW1 said:
We're not in any disagreement here on sexual assault statistics, but what's the overall number of sexual assaults vs. men in the US? I think you'll find that the vast majority of men are busy being decent members of society. The thing I disagree with is the over generalizations in this thread.
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I never made a generalization. That was your interpretation. I never said all men. I only spoke of men who exhibit this type of behavior. If someone was complaining about people exhibiting "Karen" like behavior, I wouldn't jump in the conversation and say "Not everyone named Karen!"
 
moonpies4misfits said:
I never made a generalization. That was your interpretation. I never said all men. I only spoke of men who exhibit this type of behavior. If someone was complaining about people exhibiting "Karen" like behavior, I wouldn't jump in the conversation and say "Not everyone named Karen!"
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No, you and others definitely generalized numerous times, but whatever. I've had a good and open conversation with you.

I seriously wish that you don't have to deal with these evil people anymore. I really mean this sincerely!
 
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