For those who don’t test

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I am super new, am a little nervous/cautious and am pro-testing, even though the cost is a bit prohibitive since I’m still learning and have yet to figure out group testing/group buys. On here and STG, testing seems to be the norm, but on a few peptide Discords I’m on, some of the people are very cavalier about it and are surprised I’m going to fork out almost $700 to run a few tests before using. The biggest argument against testing I’ve seen is that You never know if the vial being tested (either in private or group tests) actually corresponds to/ reflects the vials you’ll use for research (I’ve heard a lot of people on either side of the testing fence say vendor batch numbers/cap colors are kind of useless). Others rely on vendor tests that have links to the testing site for verification and are fine with that.

If you don’t test, are these your reasons or do you have others? Have you ever had a bad or null reaction compared to what you were expecting to get? I’m not being judgy, I’m just curious!
 
I don't test personally. One of my main two test, the other I can find the test eventually. All the recent GB I do test, including Endo. I suggest sticking around reading and learning before messing with group buys. BTW, I don't like Discord.
 
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HouseCat said:
I am super new, am a little nervous/cautious and am pro-testing, even though the cost is a bit prohibitive since I’m still learning and have yet to figure out group testing/group buys. On here and STG, testing seems to be the norm, but on a few peptide Discords I’m on, some of the people are very cavalier about it and are surprised I’m going to fork out almost $700 to run a few tests before using. The biggest argument against testing I’ve seen is that You never know if the vial being tested (either in private or group tests) actually corresponds to/ reflects the vials you’ll use for research (I’ve heard a lot of people on either side of the testing fence say vendor batch numbers/cap colors are kind of useless). Others rely on vendor tests that have links to the testing site for verification and are fine with that.

If you don’t test, are these your reasons or do you have others? Have you ever had a bad or null reaction compared to what you were expecting to get? I’m not being judgy, I’m just curious!
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these things are manufactured in chinese labs with no batching/lotting.

there is no reason to believe that any single vial chosen from a kit of 10 vials is the same batch/lot as the other 9 vials.

I regularly see people reporting issues with 1 vial in a kit but not the other 9. i have seen people test 2 vials from the same kit and have them come back with different concentrations, fillers and purity.

the moral of the story is, you are only testing the single vial itself and it doesnt reliably tell you anything about the other 9 in the kit but people still do it because it makes them feel safe.

Peter Magic of Janoshik stated on a podcast that about 1/25 vials he tests has no product in them only filler. he has seen virtually no vials contaminated with endotoxins because nothing except hgh is made through recombinant processes, all the other peptides can be manufactured less expensive with easier methods. nearly every peptide he tests is 95% plus purity.

so from a practical standpoint, unless if you are testing in volume it is likely you arent ever going to find anything concerning as a result of testing.

from a pragmatic standpoint, if you have the money and are willing to throw out your kits if you dont like how they test, then do it
 
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To test or not to test, that is not the question.

I can't advise you not to test the batch you're about to buy, because I don't know if you'll be able to find a serious seller with whom you can put your trust. And I don't want that karma if something bad were to happen to you.

"Who can I build a good business relationship with that offers quality products?" is a more logical question. But logic never eases fears (unless you have Vulcan blood).
 
wildweasel said:
so from a practical standpoint, unless if you are testing in volume it is likely you arent ever going to find anything concerning as a result of testing.
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Overall, I agree with the agrument that we don't test enough vials in general. Testing 3 vials out of a 100,000 vial production run really doesn't allow any conclusions to be drawn about the population. That's just basic statistics. A large sample probably isn't needed either, but 3 vials, that's clearly not enough.

But, to say that you aren't ever going to find anything concerning is a stretch. The Nexaph T30 Christmas batch and the recent Jeep T30 batch are both examples of things being picked up on random testing by the community that revealed very concerning results. Too high endotoxins and failed sterility tests pose serious risks. The community responded with additional tests.

The bigger issue is that quality control issues are on the rise. The proper response by the community is more testing, not less testing. Even some testing is better than no testing.
 
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But, to say that you aren't ever going to find anything concerning is stretch.
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i’m just basing my argument off of what the owner of Jonishik suggested on a podcast and observations

I agree there have been concerning results I’ve seen on this forum a few times. I wonder how many thousands of times have things been tested where there are not concerning results?

Sure, it happens but what’s the actual incident rate here? 1%? 0.1%? some of these people on here order hundreds of kits at a time and test hundreds of vials at a time,

The argument I was making is from a statistical standpoint as an individual you are not likely to find anything concerning with a vial unless if you test large volumes, and I stand by that, the people who only test one or two vials for personal use are just simply statistically very unlikely to have anything concerning pop-up

At the end of the day, I’m not saying don’t do it, I’m just presenting a practical answer here if you have the money, you should do it
 
BNLFL said:
I don't test personally. One of my main two test, the other I can find the test eventually. All the recent GB I do test, including Endo. I suggest sticking around reading and learning before messing with group buys. BTW, I don't like Discord.
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When you say your “main two” is that peptides or GBs? For the one where you can find the test eventually, do you use your product before finding out test results? If so have you ever had a less than positive experience?

I like Discord if it’s a small server with friends with less than 50 people…but when there’s hundreds or more, trying to follow the convo is the worst and super time consuming!

Yes-I am waaaay too inexperienced to enter a group buy/group test sitch. A lot more reading, lurking and question posting to do. I can’t even imagine to know who to trust, or even the basic procedure (I have seen tips on here to follow the STG TG but I’m even newer to TG than I am here!) 🤣
 
Rezwalker said:
Test with your body !
get a epipen and enjoy
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Honestly after my first toe I to testing, I can understand this POV!!

I ordered Purity, Endo and Heavy metals, and my lab recommended sending a vial for each test to ensure testing accuracy 😭😭😭 So now out of a kit of 10, I’ll only have 7 vials left (or else waste ~$300–more than the cost of product—on useless tests that I already paid for.

My total cost per month (product/ shipping/ testing/ supplies) has now gone from $55 to $68 with the loss of these 2 additional vials and cost of shipping to lab! Still less than compounded so as long as things go well it’s a win. And if the tests are bad, all is lost—keep your fingers crossed for me!!
 
i do filter ''sometime''
but for the most part just go with the flow
fat is leaving the body
calorie are less than 2000 per day
the stuff is working
and i mostly buy from the same seller everytime
and bunch of ppl do the jano test from them
and 99,9% of the time its perfect
i like my odds
 
wildweasel said:
these things are manufactured in chinese labs with no batching/lotting.

there is no reason to believe that any single vial chosen from a kit of 10 vials is the same batch/lot as the other 9 vials.

I regularly see people reporting issues with 1 vial in a kit but not the other 9. i have seen people test 2 vials from the same kit and have them come back with different concentrations, fillers and purity.

the moral of the story is, you are only testing the single vial itself and it doesnt reliably tell you anything about the other 9 in the kit but people still do it because it makes them feel safe.

Peter Magic of Janoshik stated on a podcast that about 1/25 vials he tests has no product in them only filler. he has seen virtually no vials contaminated with endotoxins because nothing except hgh is made through recombinant processes, all the other peptides can be manufactured less expensive with easier methods. nearly every peptide he tests is 95% plus purity.

so from a practical standpoint, unless if you are testing in volume it is likely you arent ever going to find anything concerning as a result of testing.

from a pragmatic standpoint, if you have the money and are willing to throw out your kits if you dont like how they test, then do it
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Thanks! This seems to be the big argument against testing-that it really only applies to the vials being tested. Luckily right now I have the money, and since I’m brand spanking new, this does help me feel safer, but I also understand that it’s nowhere near foolproof.

(I also was a big into partying in my 20s and put all sorts of nonsense into my body from strangers. Vendors at least face repercussions to their reputation from bad product…not so with the random hottie who just gave me a lil something, and I couldn’t have cared less back then!)
 
HouseCat said:
Thanks! This seems to be the big argument against testing-that it really only applies to the vials being tested. Luckily right now I have the money, and since I’m brand spanking new, this does help me feel safer, but I also understand that it’s nowhere near foolproof.

(I also was a big into partying in my 20s and put all sorts of nonsense into my body from strangers. Vendors at least face repercussions to their reputation from bad product…not so with the random hottie who just gave me a lil something, and I couldn’t have cared less back then!)
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Yeah same for me back in my 20s ( 20 years ago )
all the colorfull pills ... did way more damage than any pep i inject today
 
Rezwalker said:
i do filter ''sometime''
but for the most part just go with the flow
fat is leaving the body
calorie are less than 2000 per day
the stuff is working
and i mostly buy from the same seller everytime
and bunch of ppl do the jano test from them
and 99,9% of the time its perfect
i like my odds
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eidos said:
To test or not to test, that is not the question.

I can't advise you not to test the batch you're about to buy, because I don't know if you'll be able to find a serious seller with whom you can put your trust. And I don't want that karma if something bad were to happen to you.

"Who can I build a good business relationship with that offers quality products?" is a more logical question. But logic never eases fears (unless you have Vulcan blood).
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Yes, that is the best question! I don’t trust my reseller-this was my first purchase and even though they had good word of mouth, all those mouths could have just been shills! I couldn’t help myself from diving into the gray game a little prematurely- I will do a HECK of a lot more learning before my next purchase! 🖖🏽
 
I don’t test and a CoA is nice. At the end of the day though, even the FDA has released medications that ended up doing a lot of damage (opioid crisis) or 5 Famous Drug Recalls in US History & Why They Happened. Or have you ever looked to see how many food and supplement recalls are active at any one time FDA Recalls?

Many peptides also lack any long term studies regarding adverse health effects… and some barely have any human data all.

Then there’s all the random ways to die… actually knew someone who hit a power line and got out of his car and got electrocuted. Shit happens.

Now… if there’s visible contamination, it fails to reconstitute, looks off, or the community announces a warning of course I’ll be cautious and avoid the situation. At the end of the day though, we’re all rolling dice.
 
wildweasel said:
i’m just basing my argument off of what the owner of Jonishik suggested on a podcast and observations

I agree there have been concerning results I’ve seen on this forum a few times. I wonder how many thousands of times have things been tested where there are not concerning results?

Sure, it happens but what’s the actual incident rate here? 1%? 0.1%? some of these people on here order hundreds of kits at a time and test hundreds of vials at a time,

The argument I was making is from a statistical standpoint as an individual you are not likely to find anything concerning with a vial unless if you test large volumes, and I stand by that, the people who only test one or two vials for personal use are just simply statistically very unlikely to have anything concerning pop-up
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You said in your first post that Peter noted a rate of 1 in 25 vials without a peptide. That's 4% not the 1% or .1% that you mention in this post. So, I think that the actual failure rate is more than we know and from what we're seeing in the community, only increasing over time.

Also, we don't test just for endotoxins and sterility, but also mass/purity. I would argue that mass/purity tests directly address this fairly high fail rate of no peptide present and/or a fill issues. For example, there was a recent batch of ERP T20 batch that test at T10. I personally led a test group where we had a fill issue and all group members received replacement kits. So, testing serves a lot of purposes besides just "failing". None of these required "volumes" of testing to detect.
 
Isn’t this all about picking the right vendor? I spent a week looking at vendors. I chatted with many. I totally used my years of dealing with people to know who the real deal was. I’m pretty intuitive of knowing who wants my business. This forum helped me immensely as well. Shout out to BNFL. The best. I do think letting your body and results dictate what your vials are telling you. Remember the old saying. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It’s probably a duck.

Bill
 
I looked at reports and reviews of vendors in this forum. It's in the business's best interest to supply a good product to prevent poor reviews. I got the CofA from the vendor and found a group buy report for it as well. Hopefully it was from the same batch? Who really knows? The product is working though, so I'll buy from the same vendor again. I also filter it.
 
Whiynot20026 said:
Isn’t this all about picking the right vendor? I spent a week looking at vendors. I chatted with many. I totally used my years of dealing with people to know who the real deal was. I’m pretty intuitive of knowing who wants my business. This forum helped me immensely as well. Shout out to BNFL. The best. I do think letting your body and results dictate what your vials are telling you. Remember the old saying. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It’s probably a duck.

Bill
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It's not, but you can definitely go about it any way you want.
 
Lately I've been of the mind that if there is some crazy endotoxin or 0% pep outbreak - it will get reported by other people here or in STG like it has in the past. I'm currently backlogged on my kits so that would come out before I get to researching with them.

I also agree with weasel that we really have no clue what these guys do in the background for "Batches" and it could all be a fugazi
 
Grogu said:
You said in your first post that Peter noted a rate of 1 in 25 vials without a peptide. That's 4% not the 1% or .1% that you mention in this post. So, I think that the actual failure rate is more than we know and from what we're seeing in the community, only increasing over time.

Also, we don't test just for endotoxins and sterility, but also mass/purity. I would argue that mass/purity tests directly address this fairly high fail rate of no peptide present and/or a fill issues. For example, there was a recent batch of ERP T20 batch that test at T10. I personally led a test group where we had a fill issue and all group members received replacement kits. So, testing serves a lot of purposes besides just "failing". None of these required "volumes" of testing to detect.
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I am part of a GB that had a fill issue. The seller sure is doing what needs done to make it right. Might be the same ones you're talking about.
 
If you take the time to watch and listen you'll find wonderful sellers. I added a bunch to TG and watched and learned for awhile before my first purchase. It's really not as scary as it seems if you pay attention.
Group buys can be pretty awesome but I always miss the good ones or have no money at the time.
 
Whiynot20026 said:
Isn’t this all about picking the right vendor? I spent a week looking at vendors. I chatted with many. I totally used my years of dealing with people to know who the real deal was. I’m pretty intuitive of knowing who wants my business. This forum helped me immensely as well. Shout out to BNFL. The best. I do think letting your body and results dictate what your vials are telling you. Remember the old saying. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It’s probably a duck.

Bill
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Bnfl?
 
I personally don't want to waste $300 of my own money and vials of my peptides to send off to be tested. If I wanted to spend that kind of money, I wouldn't be buying gray in the first place. I filter and from what I have heard, vendors don't replace bad batches half the time anyway. This is why I spend a lot of time finding group buys. Not only is the product cheaper, testing is included in the price.
 
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