Update: Turns out sleep is better when you actually sleep.

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Back in January, I used Epitalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally. My sleep scores shot up to 💯, I was getting 2–3 hours of deep sleep most nights, and I felt more rested than I had in decades.

I finished the cycles but didn't repeat the Selank and DSIP after 4 weeks because apparently I thought I was cured. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fast forward about six months: waking up in the middle of the night, dragging through the day, wondering what was going on... and somehow I just spent weeks trying to solve this great mystery. 🙄

Fortunately the ahh-ha did happen.... So three nights ago, I restarted them.

Night 1: 💯 sleep score
Night 2: 💯 sleep score
Night 3: 💯 sleep score 2 hours 53 minutes of deep sleep. (My sleep scores feel.to between 45-70/night).

I know everyone's experience is different, but for me, the difference has been ridiculous. I didn't realize how tired I'd become until I remembered what it feels like to wake up rested.

Here's hoping that forgetting the things that work spectacularly well, is a one off event,
 
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That’s crazy how quickly these were able to help with your sleep. I have supply of all three but haven’t started on any of them yet. I could use any help there is in getting decent sleep. I’d be lucky to get 30m of deep sleep. Mind sharing your protocol for each? Did you notice any sleep benefits with just one of them or was it the combination of all three that actually did the trick?
 
Jfrick11 said:
Back in January, I used Epitalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally. My sleep scores shot up to 💯, I was getting 2–3 hours of deep sleep most nights, and I felt more rested than I had in decades.

I finished the cycles but didn't repeat the Selank and DSIP after 4 weeks because apparently I thought I was cured. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fast forward about six months: waking up in the middle of the night, dragging through the day, wondering what was going on... and somehow I just spent weeks trying to solve this great mystery. 🙄

Fortunately the ahh-ha did happen.... So three nights ago, I restarted them.

Night 1: 💯 sleep score
Night 2: 💯 sleep score
Night 3: 💯 sleep score 2 hours 53 minutes of deep sleep. (My sleep scores feel.to between 45-70/night).

I know everyone's experience is different, but for me, the difference has been ridiculous. I didn't realize how tired I'd become until I remembered what it feels like to wake up rested.

Here's hoping that forgetting the things that work spectacularly well, is a one off event,
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I didn't have a positive outcome from DSIP or DSIP with Epi injected SC. I haven't given Selank a whirl, although I have it and Semax.

What are you measuring sleep with? I use an Oura Ring, but I haven't scored higher than the mid 90's, ever.
 
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I didn't have a positive outcome from DSIP or DSIP with Epi injected SC. I haven't given Selank a whirl, although I have it and Semax.

What are you measuring sleep with? I use an Oura Ring, but I haven't scored higher than the mid 90's, ever.
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The more I read..... I do think intranasal makes a difference. I use a smart watch... Have had the same one since my first round, so I feel pretty good about the consistency. Here's last night
 

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Jfrick11 said:
Back in January, I used Epitalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally. My sleep scores shot up to 💯, I was getting 2–3 hours of deep sleep most nights, and I felt more rested than I had in decades.

I finished the cycles but didn't repeat the Selank and DSIP after 4 weeks because apparently I thought I was cured. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fast forward about six months: waking up in the middle of the night, dragging through the day, wondering what was going on... and somehow I just spent weeks trying to solve this great mystery. 🙄

Fortunately the ahh-ha did happen.... So three nights ago, I restarted them.

Night 1: 💯 sleep score
Night 2: 💯 sleep score
Night 3: 💯 sleep score 2 hours 53 minutes of deep sleep. (My sleep scores feel.to between 45-70/night).

I know everyone's experience is different, but for me, the difference has been ridiculous. I didn't realize how tired I'd become until I remembered what it feels like to wake up rested.

Here's hoping that forgetting the things that work spectacularly well, is a one off event,
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is there any guide or how to on making those intranasally? in order to get the spray correct for the dosing? thanks
 
Jfrick11 said:
Back in January, I used Epitalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally. My sleep scores shot up to 💯, I was getting 2–3 hours of deep sleep most nights, and I felt more rested than I had in decades.

I finished the cycles but didn't repeat the Selank and DSIP after 4 weeks because apparently I thought I was cured. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fast forward about six months: waking up in the middle of the night, dragging through the day, wondering what was going on... and somehow I just spent weeks trying to solve this great mystery. 🙄

Fortunately the ahh-ha did happen.... So three nights ago, I restarted them.

Night 1: 💯 sleep score
Night 2: 💯 sleep score
Night 3: 💯 sleep score 2 hours 53 minutes of deep sleep. (My sleep scores feel.to between 45-70/night).

I know everyone's experience is different, but for me, the difference has been ridiculous. I didn't realize how tired I'd become until I remembered what it feels like to wake up rested.

Here's hoping that forgetting the things that work spectacularly well, is a one off event,
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These seems to work great for some folks and not so much for others. Didn’t work for me, but other stuff does. My conclusion is what works for sleep is really dependent on the individual. Glad you found your stack!
 
Jfrick11 said:
Back in January, I used Epitalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally. My sleep scores shot up to 💯, I was getting 2–3 hours of deep sleep most nights, and I felt more rested than I had in decades.

I finished the cycles but didn't repeat the Selank and DSIP after 4 weeks because apparently I thought I was cured. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fast forward about six months: waking up in the middle of the night, dragging through the day, wondering what was going on... and somehow I just spent weeks trying to solve this great mystery. 🙄

Fortunately the ahh-ha did happen.... So three nights ago, I restarted them.

Night 1: 💯 sleep score
Night 2: 💯 sleep score
Night 3: 💯 sleep score 2 hours 53 minutes of deep sleep. (My sleep scores feel.to between 45-70/night).

I know everyone's experience is different, but for me, the difference has been ridiculous. I didn't realize how tired I'd become until I remembered what it feels like to wake up rested.

Here's hoping that forgetting the things that work spectacularly well, is a one off event,
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I tried dsip for 7 days and it increased my total sleep but decreased deep sleep and my sleeping rhr shot up further every night.

Selank I’ve been interested in tho
 
phoenixthepomsky said:
That’s crazy how quickly these were able to help with your sleep. I have supply of all three but haven’t started on any of them yet. I could use any help there is in getting decent sleep. I’d be lucky to get 30m of deep sleep. Mind sharing your protocol for each? Did you notice any sleep benefits with just one of them or was it the combination of all three that actually did the trick?
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Happy to.

DSIP/Selank
First of all, I mix the DSIP and Selank in one bottle.
DSIP I'm doing an 8 week cycle, Selank is 4.
So I altered the concentration so the first bottle would last me the full 4 weeks of the combo. Next month, the bottle will only contain DSIP for the last 4 weeks. I'm using Snoot spray bottles.
  • And to note.....for the DSIP, I made a double batch so it's 10mg/6ml instead of 5mg/3ml in the protocol below. So my final concentration is :
    • 10 mg DSIP
    • 10 mg Selank
    • Mixed together in 6 mL total sterile saline
    • 1 spray = 167 mcg DSIP + 167 mcg Selank
    • 2 sprays = 334 mcg DSIP + 334 mcg Selank (✔️I use 2 sprays)
Epitalon:
  • This one I mix separately.
  • 20 mg Epitalon
  • Add 4 mL sterile water
  • Concentration
  • 20 mg = 20,000 mcg
  • 20,000 mcg ÷ 4 mL = 5,000 mcg/mL
  • Standard nasal spray = 0.1 mL
  • 1 spray = 500 mcg
  • So this is what I do (some people do more, this works well for me)
  • 1 mg daily
  • 2 sprays daily
 

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Jfrick11 said:
Happy to.

DSIP/Selank
First of all, I mix the DSIP and Selank in one bottle.
DSIP I'm doing an 8 week cycle, Selank is 4.
So I altered the concentration so the first bottle would last me the full 4 weeks of the combo. Next month, the bottle will only contain DSIP for the last 4 weeks. I'm using Snoot spray bottles.
  • And to note.....for the DSIP, I made a double batch so it's 10mg/6ml instead of 5mg/3ml in the protocol below. So my final concentration is :
    • 10 mg DSIP
    • 10 mg Selank
    • Mixed together in 6 mL total sterile saline
    • 1 spray = 167 mcg DSIP + 167 mcg Selank
    • 2 sprays = 334 mcg DSIP + 334 mcg Selank (✔️I use 2 sprays)
Epitalon:
  • This one I mix separately.
  • 20 mg Epitalon
  • Add 4 mL sterile water
  • Concentration
  • 20 mg = 20,000 mcg
  • 20,000 mcg ÷ 4 mL = 5,000 mcg/mL
  • Standard nasal spray = 0.1 mL
  • 1 spray = 500 mcg
  • So this is what I do (some people do more, this works well for me)
  • 1 mg daily
  • 2 sprays daily
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Great post, thank you !! I've gotten pin fatigue lately, this is awesome.
 
The Health app on my phone and the Muse app disagree about how much deep sleep I'm getting. Health (via the Apple Watch) will show anywhere from 25 to 45 minutes deep sleep, while the Muse usually reports 0. The Muse has the advantage of measuring brain wave activity directly, so it's probably more accurate.

I've tried Epithalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally at various times, but the results were disappointing. JFrick's report has me wanting to try them again.
 
Currently going through this. 10 days of epithalon made me think I was cured. Now I can barely crawl out of bed.

Btw: DSIP isn't really going to help you get to sleep. Epithalon is doing all of the heavy lifting in this stack. I can't speak on selank.
 
Jfrick11 said:
Happy to.

DSIP/Selank
First of all, I mix the DSIP and Selank in one bottle.
DSIP I'm doing an 8 week cycle, Selank is 4.
So I altered the concentration so the first bottle would last me the full 4 weeks of the combo. Next month, the bottle will only contain DSIP for the last 4 weeks. I'm using Snoot spray bottles.
  • And to note.....for the DSIP, I made a double batch so it's 10mg/6ml instead of 5mg/3ml in the protocol below. So my final concentration is :
    • 10 mg DSIP
    • 10 mg Selank
    • Mixed together in 6 mL total sterile saline
    • 1 spray = 167 mcg DSIP + 167 mcg Selank
    • 2 sprays = 334 mcg DSIP + 334 mcg Selank (✔️I use 2 sprays)
Epitalon:
  • This one I mix separately.
  • 20 mg Epitalon
  • Add 4 mL sterile water
  • Concentration
  • 20 mg = 20,000 mcg
  • 20,000 mcg ÷ 4 mL = 5,000 mcg/mL
  • Standard nasal spray = 0.1 mL
  • 1 spray = 500 mcg
  • So this is what I do (some people do more, this works well for me)
  • 1 mg daily
  • 2 sprays daily
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Thank you so much for sharing! I'll have to give this a try. Love that it's nasal since I'm having a hard time finding places to inject these days. Will have to pick up some sterile saline water.
 
phoenixthepomsky said:
Thank you so much for sharing! I'll have to give this a try. Love that it's nasal since I'm having a hard time finding places to inject these days. Will have to pick up some sterile saline water.
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I get this 100% . Part of my cycles of course is knowing what is doing what...but truth be told, another huge driver is the pin cushion effect. It's nice to add these 3 without a stick.
 
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birdwhacker said:
Currently going through this. 10 days of epithalon made me think I was cured. Now I can barely crawl out of bed.

Btw: DSIP isn't really going to help you get to sleep. Epithalon is doing all of the heavy lifting in this stack. I can't speak on sel
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I do think the DSIP is pushing my deep sleep significantly.
 
Jfrick11 said:
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I do think the DSIP is pushing my deep sleep significantly.
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I'm sure it is, I'm just saying that it doesn't induce sleep or help you get to sleep.

I'm cautioning people not to waste their money on DSIP unless they already have epitalon and want small gains for a hefty price.

The epitalon is doing the heavy lifting in this stack. I'm very excited to combine epithalon and pinealon soon!
 
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