One thing I never understood is how pharmacy companies in this type of situation, where you have a drug that is marketable to pretty much the entire population, can make more money by limiting access through cost vs making it available for low cost. I understand when you have a drug that is only applicable to a small population but this is comparing a teeny tiny fraction of the population getting their insurance to pay or paying out of pocket vs double digit percentage of Americans all on this drug paying a low cost. Seems like the latter pays more for Eli
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penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
EL literally can't make enough of this stuff to supply current demand at current exorbitant prices.
I’m not too worried about access and supply (not at all).
The only thing that might take a beating here, is the end users already limited ability to understand where the product comes from and how safe it is.
I’m not sure what you mean by segmenting? Are you referring to SRYs statement earlier today?
I think they could if they sold it in the same form as chinese vendors. I know EL has started already shipping Mounjaro in vials in some markets. The cost really comes from the pen manufacturing. Even then they mark up the cost by an exorbitant sum.
They have vials apparently but nobody can seem to get them
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From what I understand, the general population is considered too stupid to manage that - so it wouldn’t get approved 🤷♂️
The real cost saver for Chinese peptides is that they are not liquid. Well, and the lack if requirements for documentation supply chain and storage etc.
But in any case, people being trusted to add water to a vial? That is advanced chemistry and needs to be done by professionals
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
Have you met the average American? Now consider the 50% of Americans which are dumber.
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
No, they can't. And no, the cost isn't coming from the pen, it's coming because supply and demand, they just can charge that much and people will pay.
Right now they're making a 9 billion investment in manufacturing facilitates for their API's, they literally can't keep up.
Sigma Audley is saying there is also an internal crackdown in China because of bad peptides being sold there.
chmuse
Public Nuisance 🦜🐧🦅🦚🦃🦢🐓🦆🦉
Most of my knowledge regarding this is with regards to pets. But you'd be shocked how many people give their pet 1 syringe full instead of 1 unit. (So many small animals given a 100x dose of clavamox...) Even when you mark the syringe with a line in sharpie and show it to them directly and explicitly.
Half the people on Reddit can't even figure this out using the peptide calculator.
21% of American adults are considered functionally illiterate. 50% read at or below the 8th grade level. I'm not saying that makes them stupid (public education is a hot topic I don't really want to get into) but I'd expect that 50% to struggle with the math involved here, or to follow directions given with the vials.
Average IQ in America is 98 or 97.43 according to a Newsweek article. We aren't a bright population. https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-average-iq-1932132
scarywood75
Scarlett Johansson
In Canada, it came out in vials since the beginning and we still had huge shortages. I think it's hard to keep up because it has to stay cool from the time it's reconstituted up to you
scarywood75
Scarlett Johansson
That's just scary to think how stupid we are
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I am asking if someone sells regular peps but also GLP-1s, should they split their business in two to protect the regular pep business from the chaos of the GLP-1s market. Create two separate companies with separate brands.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Your friendly reminder that IQ scores go up with education, meaning that this is a problem with a solution. I'm some sense the brain is a muscle and if it's never properly trained it's not good for much.
chmuse
Public Nuisance 🦜🐧🦅🦚🦃🦢🐓🦆🦉
I feel stupid is a loaded word for such a complex issue.
scarywood75
Scarlett Johansson
The issue is not people with solutions, but people that don't want to hear them
Yep. Based on working with Chinese manufacturers in different industries, there's one thing I'm sure of: They'll keep finding a way to sell as much as they can to everyone they can.
Lowkey
GLP-1 Novice
I checked with my manufacturers. They aren't halting production or sales. But say raw material prices might increase.
Lowkey
GLP-1 Novice
I do something like this. But it's all the same brand. Vendors can fall but the brand stays since it operates legitimately. Won't get too much into it. The problem with separate brands is that you will always have to prove its legitimacy and quality. Which is expensive. It's already a problem for chinese manufacturers who's sales reps all have their own company names. Many of you have labeled many of those reps as scammers while praising others from the same parent company. lol
SSA is back to business after “adding a lot of safety measures” and other “precautions” per post on Meso at 10:10pm ET. Suspect they prepped for a possible visit from authorities.
Hopefully they did straighten up the shop and didn’t just shutdown and hide till the situation blows over.
That's difficult to answer, would be on a case by case basis I suppose.
But for most research vendors, simply removing the glp1s if they get angry letters from Ely would solve the problem, then they can decide what to do from there.
The safer way would be to just operate anonymously 😛
Until things play out it would just be guesswork anyway
noggin
GLP-1 Novice
This doesn't really mean anything since the scores are "renormed" once per decade so that the mean is 100 (with stddev of 15). If calculated and performed correctly the average IQ should always be around 100. IQ is a measurement of comparison, not of objectivity.
ZeroPoint222
Recently Joined
Yes... 🤞 Curious how this may affect their plans for opening new warehouses. The next few weeks seemed planned for launching US Domestic and several more international.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Sigma Audley says they are back.
AmoPure is currently accepting orders by email. New website Amolist.com will launch some time in November
@exploitedworkerbee can you update my post when you have time. I can no longer edit.
AmoPure is currently accepting orders by email. New website Amolist.com will launch some time in November
@exploitedworkerbee can you update my post when you have time. I can no longer edit.
Kaybrewski
Recently Joined
I got this in a email from Amo today:
“At present, the original website has been closed, and we plan to stop accepting new orders for one week.“
i am picturing all these CCP agents running around to do the "crackdown" china agreed to to appease the US over something or other and just stopping by each chemical company, looking around, pulling up the nonexistent website, and saying "well i don't see anything illegal going on here! move along!" and trotting off to the next company.
SunnyDispo
Recently Joined
So it would make sense to buy buy buy for peps mfg date after 10/28 because they will no doubt be operating above standard. Or you can get in on the fire sale. I do have on hand 23 10mg of Tirz with 20 30mg coming from Angel but I’m the family mule so it might not last as long as one would think. 🤔
