Well, fuck peptide test

[GimmeABreak]

I used to sell peptide boxes so can speak to this. The margins were very good and demand was enormous. That may have changed since for most of that time there were only two of us doing it and we mostly tried not to make identical stuff. Demand dramatically exceeded my capacity to meet it; I probably could have charged significantly more than what I already considered too expensive.

I stopped doing it mainly because the writing was on the wall with a ton of people all starting to sell the boxes, and it took more of my time to manage the sales and do the work than you’d think. But if you don’t have a good paying job you can certainly make more selling peptide boxes and running group buys than driving for uber or something. That is unless all the new box makers have eaten each other and driven down the prices a ton, I haven’t really tracked the market.

I always wondered what the margin profile looked like for these 3d printing businesses. When you factor in the cost of materials, wear and tear/maintenance on the printer plus the time to process/ship the order. On a $40 box (that probably takes a day to print) what they making $5?

 

[rkl123]

It's definitely not necessary but it is helpful and it does work. I've been doing some experiments with old dishwater and there is an immediate and noticeable difference in clarity and smell. Haven't had time to follow up with plate and vial tests yet though.

I don’t doubt that they work. I doubt that there is anything in the vial that needs filtering. Suppose the worst case scenario: egads the vial was exposed to the air during sealing so there’s bacteria…
-how much oxygen is in there?
-how much moisture is in there?
-how much of anything in the vial is edible to bacteria?
The answer is almost none for all of these. We then pour alcoholic water on whatever bacteria is in there. It isn’t high concentration alcohol, but there’s very little bacteria struggling to exist in the vial to begin with.

 

[Peevee]

Me too! I am the only one that sees the labels on my vials. They need to be functional so I am not injecting the wrong stuff but come on! Are people pulling out their pep collections, in their fancy boxes, to show their friends on a Saturday night? I wonder if they put all their meds from CVS/Walgreens into custom pill bottles too?

Zip lock bags in a thermos (well multiple thermos') for long-term storage. In the plastic kits containers for anything I am currently pinning. Label includes source, COA QR, contents and date received. Simple.

lol. Zip lock in the fridge with three vials and two pens is my go to. Super fancy

I have a NOT frost free freezer I use so I don’t use a thermos. I fail to see much advantage in a vacuum sealed vial with no moisture in it

 

[Peevee]

I always wondered what the margin profile looked like for these 3d printing businesses. When you factor in the cost of materials, wear and tear/maintenance on the printer plus the time to process/ship the order. On a $40 box (that probably takes a day to print) what they making $5?

Exactly my thoughts

It costs time and money to run the printer. Wear in the nozzle and extruder. The filament. Electricity

 

[Peevee]

I don’t doubt that they work. I doubt that there is anything in the vial that needs filtering. Suppose the worst case scenario: egads the vial was exposed to the air during sealing so there’s bacteria…
-how much oxygen is in there?
-how much moisture is in there?
-how much of anything in the vial is edible to bacteria?
The answer is almost none for all of these. We then pour alcoholic water on whatever bacteria is in there. It isn’t high concentration alcohol, but there’s very little bacteria struggling to exist in the vial to begin with.

My thoughts as an average moron exactly

 

[noteablequotable]

I don’t doubt that they work. I doubt that there is anything in the vial that needs filtering. Suppose the worst case scenario: egads the vial was exposed to the air during sealing so there’s bacteria…
-how much oxygen is in there?
-how much moisture is in there?
-how much of anything in the vial is edible to bacteria?
The answer is almost none for all of these. We then pour alcoholic water on whatever bacteria is in there. It isn’t high concentration alcohol, but there’s very little bacteria struggling to exist in the vial to begin with.

There have been enough sterility tests within the community to prove that many of the vials we receive are likely to be contaminated with live bacteria, yeasts, and molds. The big question is whether or not there are enough of those organisms present in a single shot to make us sick. That's not really a question we can answer without testing, and there's nothing to do about a poor result other than toss the vial or filter it. I skip the testing and just filter.

 

[Peevee]

There have been enough sterility tests within the community to prove that many of the vials we receive are likely to be contaminated with live bacteria, yeasts, and molds. The big question is whether or not there are enough of those organisms present in a single shot to make us sick. That's not really a question we can answer without testing, and there's nothing to do about a poor result other than toss the vial or filter it. I skip the testing and just filter.

My concern is the more I futz with the meds the more contamination vectors I add. Insert water. Change needle. Withdraw fresh bac. Flush filter. Change needle. Draw meds, replace filter change needle. Change syringe… too many steps for me to mess up. And I’m lazy

 

[GimmeABreak]

There have been enough sterility tests within the community to prove that many of the vials we receive are likely to be contaminated with live bacteria, yeasts, and molds. The big question is whether or not there are enough of those organisms present in a single shot to make us sick. That's not really a question we can answer without testing, and there's nothing to do about a poor result other than toss the vial or filter it. I skip the testing and just filter.

I am to the point that I filter anything that goes into a cart and any other vials that will be around for more than a couple of days.

MOTs-C 10mg vial, two shots, I don't filter.

Oasia compound T60 vial from their filthy lab that has sat in my fridge for a couple of months, filtered into a cart.

I don't generally filter PGB stuff, because they sterility test, unless I am putting into a cart (I realize my kit could still be bad but I take the risk).

 

[Revo39564]

Another naughty list addition. Did they get added yet for the filter monopoly as well?

they had like a whole 300 individual 4mm .22 filters and everyone acts like there was some massive conspiracy to corner the market. I'm sure he's made 100s of dollars on them.

To me it seemed like he started selling some individual ones after a conversation a handful of people were having on discord, so that people didn't have to spend a ton of money to buy them in bulk, but what do i know.

They aren’t hard to find. I buy mine from newstar via Alibaba for like $67 for a 100 filters… 37 dollar for the filters the rest shipping

 

[beefsteak]

I hate how filters look like small condoms.

 

[adria37]

<--------- doesn't own a printer

 

[Peevee]

I think it’s funny how fired up some folks are over a $1.60 filter

 

[noteablequotable]

I think it’s funny how fired up some folks are over a $1.60 filter

Lol. You say that but $1.60 is actually highway robbery. I got mine for about $0.50 a piece.

 

[Peevee]

Lol. You say that but $1.60 is actually highway robbery. I got mine for about $0.50 a piece.

It’s kinda like what I tell my spouse at Costco. At some point it’s not worth the space to store some things bought in bulk.

 

[FreeSpectator8]

Isn't peptide test just a middleman anyway? They just take orders for another lab that actually does the testing, but you can literally just go to the lab anyway.

Or so I heard

 

[FreeSpectator8]

TrustPointe Analytics is supposedly the actual lab behind peptide test.

 

[GimmeABreak]

TrustPointe Analytics is supposedly the actual lab behind peptide test.

Fact

 

[FreeSpectator8]

Fact

Good to know.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Isn't peptide test just a middleman anyway? They just take orders for another lab that actually does the testing, but you can literally just go to the lab anyway.

Or so I heard

Peptide test is a middleman but he has an exclusivity contract with the lab that prevents them from dealing with individuals, as well as some larger customers. You can’t just go to the lab, peptest needs to take his taste.

 

[FreeSpectator8]

Peptide test is a middleman but he has an exclusivity contract with the lab that prevents them from dealing with individuals, as well as some larger customers. You can’t just go to the lab, peptest needs to take his taste.

Fuck that. Fucking hate people who do that type of shit.

 

[brisket]

I do t get how it can even be profitable to sell something that needs 20 hours of machine time to 3d print for $30

for a vial box? Took an hour and 8 minutes to print the two part one I designed to hold 25 vials, 85cents for filament. It would be faster and potentially cheaper with some tool path optimization. Now lol where can one sell them for $30? - jesting, I'm not selling them I just needed one.

>$20hr profit per printer is certainly profitable.

 

[noteablequotable]

It’s kinda like what I tell my spouse at Costco. At some point it’s not worth the space to store some things bought in bulk.

True but in this case the filters are incredibly small. 50 of them fit in a 7 inch box. I bought mine of AliExpress

 

[brisket]

I always wondered what the margin profile looked like for these 3d printing businesses. When you factor in the cost of materials, wear and tear/maintenance on the printer plus the time to process/ship the order. On a $40 box (that probably takes a day to print) what they making $5?

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

Nope!

He has an exclusive contract with Tisch scientific to sell 4mm filters. No one else is legally allowed to sell them. This was proven on Peppys, receipts were shown. The thread isn't hard to find.

And 4mm filters are damn near impossible to find. A few months ago, I started the thread below:

Syringe Filter Recommendations

Sep 4, 2024

Do folks have recommendations on where to buy syringe filters? I’m looking for sterile filters so .22 um or less.

I’ve noticed a lot of people don’t like Amazon syringes and BAC water. Do people have similar hang ups with syringe filters from Amazon? Obviously if there are concerns about the sterilization of the filters on Amazon that would defeat the purpose.

Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of sterile filters available on the reputable medical supply companies people recommended for syringes. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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See posts from Dustycotton for Tisch 4mm filters direct from the manufacturer. This was literally the ONLY place to buy them anyone in the community knew of. And the link now goes dead.

And this also is a major conflict of interest with his filtering impact studies. His conclusions funnel the community into a product that is near impossible to find That he sells. Furthermore his conclusions from that study have been refuted. Many have reported much lower losses from 13mm filters.

The amount of money he is making off them is irrelevant. Someone in a scientific lab needs to be be objective and free from commercial influences. The whole episode should at least give people pause on that front. Alot of people are justifiably concerned with his actions, and I think it is wildly unfair to dismiss these concerns as drama stirring.

I'm late to this discussion but I truly do not understand why this bothers people so much. I had this same discussion with someone else on discord like a month ago.

Why aren't you mad at Tisch? PT didn't blackmail them into exclusive rights, he just asked and Tisch said "okay".

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

It's noteworthy that this mass email was from their marketing activities, not from the day-to-day operations. Like wtf are these sleazy assholes constantly marketing for? Just be a lab and stop with the used car sales crap. There is no reason for a lab to be mass emailing anybody. Trustpointe really needs to just break free from peptest (the marketing guy who locked them into an exclusive contract just like he did with the filter wholesaler) and let the work stand on its own.

TP just doesn't deal with individuals, there are a direct to buyer/wholesaler lab only. That's why there are vendor tests from Trust Pointe that look different than 3rd party tests through Pep Test.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Fuck that. Fucking hate people who do that type of shit.

I am thinking it wasn't peptide test that "did" it, it was Trust Pointe.

They have a lab and work with commercial clients that spend more than $300 in each transaction and don't ask the same questions over, and over and over. Dealing with individual consumers and relatively small transactions is very different than working with commercial accounts.

They hire or contract with Peptide Test to handle all of our bullshit. Peptide test collects payments coordiantes shipments answers all of the questions etc.

If you have ever ordered a test through PT they are very clear that if you are a commercial client or a reseller they will refer you to work directly with TP.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I am thinking it wasn't peptide test that "did" it, it was Trust Pointe.

They have a lab and work with commercial clients that spend more than $300 in each transaction and don't ask the same questions over, and over and over. Dealing with individual consumers and relatively small transactions is very different than working with commercial accounts.

They hire or contract with Peptide Test to handle all of our bullshit. Peptide test collects payments coordiantes shipments answers all of the questions etc.

If you have ever ordered a test through PT they are very clear that if you are a commercial client or a reseller they will refer you to work directly with TP.

They negotiated to prevent the big discord peptide testing service, which is very professional and does a much greater volume than probably any of their “commercial” clients, from working directly with the lab. Super duper shady, obvious cash grab, bad for the community they like to pretend they’re in business to help.

 

[Peevee]

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

You could probably send the design to china and get thousands of them injection molded for pennies each

There’s no way I’d run my Prusa that fast and expect the quality I would want for something I sold.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

You’re talking about some idealized situation, printing a single box design and color over and over. The peptide box market doesn’t want that. People want to pick colors and designs, which means you don’t get to just buy 100 kilos of whatever is cheap. If you want a following you also need to do artwork on the lids which is time consuming and multicolor artwork prints are prone to defects. I had an inventory of hundreds of spools in various colors. And if you care at all about quality you’re going to have a lot of rejects, which cost money. Not to mention time spent marketing, fulfilling orders, answering questions, planning the sequence of your printing efficiently, fixing the printer when things get messed up, on and on. It was a shitload of work.

I never worked out my hourly pay but i bet it was like $15-20. I was putting on prints first thing when I got up in the morning and swapping them all day long. Assembling them, finishing them (removing brims), packing them, etc etc. It is far from set it and forget it.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

Thanks, now I understand how they make money. I thought the printers were slower than that. Most sellers are on Etsy and there are a few on Discord.